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Don't Care if Discussed - Is DJ In Danger of Crumbling A La

Giants38 : 11/10/2019 10:57 pm
Carr if not protected? He is getting beaten up at an alarming rate, and I'm not sur how it gets better with good DLs coming up on the schedule and DJ showing a propensity to hold onto the ball too long.
Nah  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/10/2019 10:59 pm : link
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Even Goff fumbled three times today  
5BowlsSoon : 11/10/2019 11:07 pm : link
Lost one, just like DJ. And he ain’t a rookie

Give it a rest.....you obviously aren’t a Hiants fan, are you?

What did you think of Barkley’s day?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
I worry about the hits. He's getting hit a ton.
RE: Even Goff fumbled three times today  
Giants38 : 11/10/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14674279 5BowlsSoon said:
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Lost one, just like DJ. And he ain’t a rookie

Give it a rest.....you obviously aren’t a Hiants fan, are you?

What did you think of Barkley’s day?


I am concerned about his well being. Even last year, we were all concerned about Eli seeing ghosts rushing him. At what point does that happen to DJ?
4 TD passes  
VinegarPeppers : 11/10/2019 11:12 pm : link
Yeah, for sure. Crumbling.
No he is a far better QB  
NY-Fan : 11/10/2019 11:15 pm : link
I think he is pretty tough.
He's taking  
Gmen703 : 11/10/2019 11:19 pm : link
Way too many hits for my liking. If he's the franchise, then we'll need him for the next 15+ years.
Crumbling? Not so much.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/11/2019 12:27 am : link
Getting hurt? Yeah, definitely in danger of that.
RE: RE: Even Goff fumbled three times today  
Mcphedge : 11/11/2019 12:39 am : link
In comment 14674283 Giants38 said:
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In comment 14674279 5BowlsSoon said:


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Lost one, just like DJ. And he ain’t a rookie

Give it a rest.....you obviously aren’t a Hiants fan, are you?

What did you think of Barkley’s day?



I am concerned about his well being. Even last year, we were all concerned about Eli seeing ghosts rushing him. At what point does that happen to DJ?



No, he’s hanging in there as well as rookie QBs Simms, Aikman, Eli and Goff... Yes, Giants38 is an absolute dork... and he has no real concern for DJ... he just wants to pile on... DJ will make it through despite the absence of a seasoned OL or a lame Pro Bowl RB
RE: RE: RE: Even Goff fumbled three times today  
Giants38 : 11/11/2019 12:53 am : link
In comment 14674406 Mcphedge said:
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In comment 14674283 Giants38 said:


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In comment 14674279 5BowlsSoon said:


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Lost one, just like DJ. And he ain’t a rookie

Give it a rest.....you obviously aren’t a Hiants fan, are you?

What did you think of Barkley’s day?



I am concerned about his well being. Even last year, we were all concerned about Eli seeing ghosts rushing him. At what point does that happen to DJ?




No, he’s hanging in there as well as rookie QBs Simms, Aikman, Eli and Goff... Yes, Giants38 is an absolute dork... and he has no real concern for DJ... he just wants to pile on... DJ will make it through despite the absence of a seasoned OL or a lame Pro Bowl RB


Well, thank you for calling me a dork. I'm going to bed. But I have serious concern about him maintaining his health; he gets lit up every week.
At Duke he got his ass kicked plenty.  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/11/2019 3:05 am : link
Humiliating scores, far worse than a one TD loss to the Jets when Wake Forest kicked Duke's ass.


I'm more concerned if he's the type that does just enough to keep losing. I think he's better than that, I hope so, but I am not yet convinced he is.

His lack of awareness around the pocket and particularly the threats around him is frankly alarming. He's tough like Eli, but his getting killed is partly, maybe a good amount, on him. For various reasons.
Well, I posted this a few days ago before the Jets game...  
M.S. : 11/11/2019 5:57 am : link

...Daniel Jones: my biggest concern right now are the number of sacks (not to mention hits) he's taken in the 7 games he has started so far. Pro-rated over an entire season, his sack level would be 59, and while that's not in the same neighborhood as David Carr's rookie year with Houston (76), 59 sacks is a very, very alarming number.

How will this impact our rookie QB down the line. Will he start taking his eyes off the downfield and looking at his feet (ala Kerry Collins?); or getting rid of the ball too quickly (ala Eli Manning?); or develop some other early bad habit that will hinder his play in the years to come?

The Giants have got to be real careful now. More game-time experience doesn't mean shit if Daniel Jones continues to be harassed, bounced around and battered in the pocket. Our offensive line is melting down right before our eyes, and if this continues, I say sit Daniel Jones and let him watch the game from the sidelines. The last thing this desperate team needs is to develop a gun-shy QB who is supposed to be the future of this franchise.
RE: Well, I posted this a few days ago before the Jets game...  
Darth Paul : 11/11/2019 6:46 am : link
In comment 14674458 M.S. said:
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...Daniel Jones: my biggest concern right now are the number of sacks (not to mention hits) he's taken in the 7 games he has started so far. Pro-rated over an entire season, his sack level would be 59, and while that's not in the same neighborhood as David Carr's rookie year with Houston (76), 59 sacks is a very, very alarming number.

How will this impact our rookie QB down the line. Will he start taking his eyes off the downfield and looking at his feet (ala Kerry Collins?); or getting rid of the ball too quickly (ala Eli Manning?); or develop some other early bad habit that will hinder his play in the years to come?

The Giants have got to be real careful now. More game-time experience doesn't mean shit if Daniel Jones continues to be harassed, bounced around and battered in the pocket. Our offensive line is melting down right before our eyes, and if this continues, I say sit Daniel Jones and let him watch the game from the sidelines. The last thing this desperate team needs is to develop a gun-shy QB who is supposed to be the future of this franchise.


Thanks for reminding us.
RE: No he is a far better QB  
Blue21 : 11/11/2019 7:26 am : link
In comment 14674296 NY-Fan said:
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I think he is pretty tough.


Getting hurt? yes Crumbling? I don't see it.Toughest player on the team by far.
Nah  
Joey in VA : 11/11/2019 7:30 am : link
He's tough as nails. Injury I worry about, his mental state I don't.
Just consider  
nochance : 11/11/2019 7:50 am : link
DJ had both backup tackles starting their 1st NFL games, a backup center, A Saquon Barkley who shouldn't be playing yet, no Sterling Shepard or Engram yet he threw 4 TDs with no Ints.
However he does need work on his fumbling which can be corrected.
The difference is, David Carr never had it.  
barens : 11/11/2019 7:57 am : link
I don't believe in this theory that he was just shell shocked, and that turned him into a below average QB. He always held onto the ball for way too long, and in todays NFL, he would've gotten killed.

Carr stunk  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2019 8:06 am : link
taking the hits was always the big excuse but he was never very good. Jones is a gamer who’s taking hits and still producing. Carr had 9 passing TDs his entire rookie year. Jones is on pace for 26 and is already 1 TD shy of Carr’s peak season total.

Not comparable other than you want Jones to not get hurt.
Fortunately  
David B. : 11/11/2019 8:56 am : link
What you're seeing is very similar to what he went through every game at Duke. He's used to a porous OL and getting hit a lot. He won't be mentally phased by it. That was a big part of his appeal.

At least here, his receivers frequently catch the ball. That's an upgrade over his Duke teams.
In high school  
BigBlueCane : 11/11/2019 8:58 am : link
he got hit so hard, it broke the face mask and left people watching him concerned if he was ok.

He was in fact, not okay, he was pissed off and demanded a new helmet so he could right back in and beat that team.

Jones will be fine.
I think it's a legitimate concern. There are several fixes and we all  
Ira : 11/11/2019 9:37 am : link
know what they are. First we need to upgrade the offensive line - especially at tackle. Second, he needs to throw the ball sooner. Third, he needs to slide when he runs into traffic - even if it costs us a first down. And fourth, we need receivers - and play calls - that lead to seperation.
RE: ...  
Johnny5 : 11/11/2019 9:38 am : link
In comment 14674282 Eric from BBI said:
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I worry about the hits. He's getting hit a ton.

Agreed. And it looks like it's adversely effecting him to my eyes. Even though his pocket presence is still not great.
Carr was afraid to throw to NFL open receivers...  
BillKo : 11/11/2019 10:59 am : link
....DJ is willing to.

Issue is, DJ plays behind a worse o-line. How many times does he even get to his second read without someone bearing down on him?

Carr would hold the ball until guys were "college open", not NFL open. Hence....the sack.
Carr's career high was 16 TDs in a season  
giants#1 : 11/11/2019 11:04 am : link
Jones has 15 TD passes (17 total) in just 8 games.

Carr had 3 games with 3 TDs in his career (94 games, 79 starts). Jones already has 3 games with 4 TDs.

'Don't Care if Discussed'  
Torrag : 11/11/2019 11:12 am : link
great opener...moron
It can happen to anyone. David Carr is just an extreme example.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/11/2019 11:14 am : link
In 2011, Eli Manning took as brutal a beating as the 21st century NFL permits, and shrugged it off en route to SB 46. Two years later, he was curling up in the fetal position under imaginary pressure. and that was without ever actually being injured. A bad enough line, and a long string of losses, will take a toll on the toughest QB.
You have to worry about the hits he’s taking  
Dave in PA : 11/11/2019 11:30 am : link
Not that it will ruin his psyche or drastically alter his play, but he might get seriously injured. These are biggest baddest dudes in the world taking multiple free running shots at him every week.
RE: It can happen to anyone. David Carr is just an extreme example.  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/11/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14675155 Big Blue Blogger said:
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In 2011, Eli Manning took as brutal a beating as the 21st century NFL permits, and shrugged it off en route to SB 46. Two years later, he was curling up in the fetal position under imaginary pressure. and that was without ever actually being injured. A bad enough line, and a long string of losses, will take a toll on the toughest QB.


Fair point re Eli, but I got the sense that Eli was actually coached into those reactions, to limit his TOs. The "live to fight another day (or play)" type mentality. Certainly that was something McAdoo coached up.
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