The SF 49ers, owners of a 8-0 record, are in their third season with Kyle Shanahan. In his 1st two seasons with the 49ers he went 6-10 and 4-12. They actually had a -93 point differential last season.
For the 2019 season, they added Nick Bosa at the top of the draft, Dee Ford for a 2nd Round Pick, have Garrapolo for a full season, and have seen *extreme* improvements in a handful of young players, such as Arkhello Weatherspoon.
That is on top of an established core that includes the likes of Joe Staley, DeForest Buckner, Arik Armstead and Solomon Thomas.
I think the Giants do have talent, I am very suspect of their coaching, but they are right now set at several positions, DL and DL depth, G, TE, WR depth, RB, QB, ED depth, LB depth, CB Depth, 1 saftey spot. So they are short at the T position, C position, ED rusher, ILB, FS, and possibly Corner.
We have an awful lot of cap room and high draft picks. Can we get 5 starters this off-season via free agency and draft? I don't see why not--but the bigger question is can we can some elite talent.
We should be able to acquire two elite starters given our position in the draft and our free agency dollars. Those positions *should* be OT and ED.
San Francisco provides a good model, they added two elite rushers and have invested in the o-line (Ford, Bosa, and McGlinchey)
If we can add a chase young or andrew thomas, then sign a player like bud dupree/clowney, add some complimentary pieces like a competent free safety (devin mccourty anyone& gt;) and linebacker (maybe Ken Murray in Rd2?) and hope for improvements in some of young talent (baker, carter, jones) then I don't see why we can't make a major jump very quickly.
I am not as down on this team as many, I just think we need a bit more seasoning, as I think we do have some fairly significant pieces to move forward with (Jones, Barkley, Shepard, Engram, Hernandez, Lawrence, Williams, Tomlison, Peppers, Slayton, Hill and hopefully Beak/Baker)
This isn't the 2017 Giants with an aging roster (which has 41 players no longer in the NFL [I just looked up]), this roster should return about 15 starters, most of whom are 25 and under and under contract.
So, even though we are playing poorly now, I actuallly have some optimism.
Where is the young talent on defense?
Where is the young talent on the OL?
Ballantine, Beal, maybe Love
Hernandez, Jones, Barkley, Engram, Slayton
I believe the issue is coaching.
Might as well we don't have any linebackers.
I'm not saying he's a bust. He's a rookie, I get it. Corey Webster was awful early on but turned it around. As it stands now though? He's far from a guy that you can hang your hat on and is just as likely a player that needs to be replaced in season or two as he is a guy that sees a 2nd contract with us.
They both started at the exact same time and Gruden was killed for trading his best players for draft picks. Then, had the Antonio Brown drama all summer.
Yet, they are 5-4 and have a real shot at making the playoffs with a roster that man for man isn't all that great.
Might as well we don't have any linebackers.
Think Young can play in any system, not just a 4-3. But lets not get our hopes up on him just yet...still gotta lose to the Skins
They both started at the exact same time and Gruden was killed for trading his best players for draft picks. Then, had the Antonio Brown drama all summer.
Yet, they are 5-4 and have a real shot at making the playoffs with a roster that man for man isn't all that great.
Oaklands roster isn't great but its also not as bad as you'd think. Carr is playing like a top 10 QB, Jacobs has been a stud at RB. Waller has been a breakout weapon at TE. On offense, personnel-wise, they are very similar to the Giants. Only difference is they have a solid OLine.
On the defense, we run a 3-4. We have no LBers. We need at least one game changing edge rusher and one above average MLB.
We are more in the territory of the 2017 niners. Need two more drafts to shore up the line and the defensive front 7. Need to hit on those picks too.
Fist off the GMen need to sign LW or another DL.
They need THREE Linebackers. We aren't certain of Connelly and Carter is average at best. Ximines is OLB depth.
And GMen need a safety. SO that's FIVE defensive players.
Regarding the Offense - GMEN definitely need a RT and a center. ANd Left Tackle is a huge cocnern.
And a further comedy hour from the OP is that he's "whitewashing" the WR's and a second TE. There is a good chance SS will retire. Tate is more of a 3rd WR. At best in desperate situation you can call him a 2. Say Slayton is a 3. The GMen still need a number 1 WR too.
And their Tight Ends -- if you want a two-TE set-- who do they have that's worth it?
GMEN are in a situation that they need 8-10 players. But supposedly "they have the talent?" To blame it all on the coaching is typical of blind homerism.
But things should improve for Baker. I'm sure the Gettleman still plans to eject Jenson and then the opposition won't be throwing at Baker all the time.
How do you deal with the best player in the 2018 draft gaining 29 yards in 27 carries last two games? People who wanted a QB taken in 2018 looking better and better.
Or course we were missing three of our starting offensive linemen, and our starting players wouldn't make the roster as backups on most teams.
I'm not saying he's a bust. He's a rookie, I get it. Corey Webster was awful early on but turned it around. As it stands now though? He's far from a guy that you can hang your hat on and is just as likely a player that needs to be replaced in season or two as he is a guy that sees a 2nd contract with us.
This seems to be a common take that I think is way the fuck wrong. Baker will be good, really good. He's already better than Jenkins IMO. He's drawn more ticky tack calls than I ever recall seeing on one guy, and his coverage is often banana skin tight.
Love his ability to flip his hips and match up.
Wrong coverage mistakes shouldn't be pinned on him yet...
Ballantine, Beal, maybe Love
Hernandez, Jones, Barkley, Engram, Slayton
I believe the issue is coaching.
Good post PP. Add Zeitler to the list of guys to be counted on, even if he's not "young", he's not old either.
Now they have a new HC and are trending up and competing in year two. The Giants are fucking 2 -8 and frankly should be 1 - 9.
It will be though, Shumur just needs more time.
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Lawrence, Hill, Lo Carter, Peppers, Baker, Connelly, Williams
Ballantine, Beal, maybe Love
Hernandez, Jones, Barkley, Engram, Slayton
I believe the issue is coaching.
Good post PP. Add Zeitler to the list of guys to be counted on, even if he's not "young", he's not old either.
Yes, and if the team stays the course and gives Shurmur more time to build his vision, maybe two three seasons, this team will be ready to smell seven wins and have a season matter through mid November.
Switch the coach fast b/c i don't see the young talent developing here which is a huge concern.
I'm so tired of watching Giants teams make coverage mistakes, stupid penalties at inopportune times, missing a simple blitz pickup.
This team always finds ways to lose, and i hate to say it but thats what Shurmur's record indicates. He finds ways to lose.