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Unless a player like Chase Young is the second coming...

M.S. : 11/11/2019 7:09 am

...of Lawrence Taylor, I just don't see how the Giants can afford NOT to trade down and gather additional picks.

For certain, we need at bare minimum 5 brand new productive starters at:

FS
Edge
ILB
OT
C

However, I think there are more than just a few BBIers who believe the Giants actually need two (not one) new starters at either Edge, ILB and/or OT. So, that means up to 8 brand new productive starters not on the current roster.

Which says nothing about whether or not the Giants also need another receiver and/or a true 2-way TE.

So, from the perspective of sitting at the bottom of the barrel, and the 2020 NFL Draft 165 days away (but who's counting?), it sure looks like the Giants book move is to trade down.

Maybe several times.

I heard he  
Giantimistic : 11/11/2019 7:12 am : link
Was touched by the hand of Zeus.
This team needs a ton  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/11/2019 7:14 am : link
But you dont pass up Young. This site has become irrational.

The same hysterics as when the great Tim Lewis was coaching are on display. Tuck Osi and Strahan all sucked right? Nothing changes until this staff is shit canned. LT at his peak couldnít save Betcher
With all of the cap space that we will have  
GMEN46 : 11/11/2019 7:15 am : link
Are there 1 or 2 big time free agents that can be difference makers at positions of need on defense?
Yes we have two starting guards on this line. That's it. Need  
Blue21 : 11/11/2019 7:18 am : link
two tackles, center, safety, (1)edge providing we resign Golden, and a MLB, and a #1 and #2 WR and that's assuming Shepherd comes back. Other than that we're good. Oh and coaching changes would probably help. Probably some exageration here but I'm not far off especially with the way our players get hurt around here.
Never trade down for lesser talent  
Chip : 11/11/2019 7:20 am : link
unless it is an overwhelming offer. Lawrence Taylor makes this team a playoff team.
RE: With all of the cap space that we will have  
TheMick7 : 11/11/2019 7:20 am : link
In comment 14674502 GMEN46 said:
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Are there 1 or 2 big time free agents that can be difference makers at positions of need on defense?


Markus Golden? While Gettleman squanders high draft picks for someone like Williams w/the hope of signing him,Golden is providing the only pass rush we have. He needs to be THE priority to sign in the off-season!
And we may miss out on Young  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/11/2019 7:23 am : link
because Tampa Bay's kicker sucked.

It's ironic how we were all so excited after that win and the win the next week.
RE: RE: With all of the cap space that we will have  
giants#1 : 11/11/2019 7:24 am : link
In comment 14674513 TheMick7 said:
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In comment 14674502 GMEN46 said:


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Are there 1 or 2 big time free agents that can be difference makers at positions of need on defense?



Markus Golden? While Gettleman squanders high draft picks for someone like Williams w/the hope of signing him,Golden is providing the only pass rush we have. He needs to be THE priority to sign in the off-season!


L Williams was our best pass rusher yesterday.

Golden's been a great signing and for the right price I'd retain him, but Williams destroyed their OL all night.
RE: I heard he  
superspynyg : 11/11/2019 7:33 am : link
In comment 14674500 Giantimistic said:
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Was touched by the hand of Zeus.


Chase Young is only the 3rd human who can lift Mojnir!
Hammer of the Gods!
Let's see how it shakes out  
ryanmkeane : 11/11/2019 7:37 am : link
but have the feeling one of these teams is going to offer the farm for a top QB

Considering we don't have our own 3rd rounder, it'd be nice to get something like:

2020 1st
2020 2nd
2020 4th
2021 1st
If you look at the recent history  
ryanmkeane : 11/11/2019 7:39 am : link
of trading for QBs...the absolute floor for the trade would be 2 second rounders

If you look at the Eagles trade up for Wentz, aside from the 1st round swap that year, the Browns got a 3rd and 5th that year, a 1st in 2017, and a 2nd in 2018. That should be the type of deal that happens if a team jumps up 10 slots or so.
This team is so badly coached  
section125 : 11/11/2019 7:52 am : link
I just do not know which players suck and which players are worth keeping. Would anyone think that Zeitler was truly one of the best guards in football before this year?

I do not like trading down especially if a true difference maker was available. If they are at #3 or #4 and could trade to #6 while getting an additional #1 and or 2 #2s, it might be worth it. But who has those picks to trade while needing a QB?

At the least they need:
LT/RT
C
ER
ILB
FS
OK  
mdthedream : 11/11/2019 7:58 am : link
The Giants are if not one of the youngest teams in Football so they don't need a ton of more young players. The answer is what do we do with all the money we have in the off season. We stay at the spot we are and take a OT or a stud defender. Than another Oline in the second. The Giants can also trade a veteran away in the off season. So to say we have to trade back is not nonsense.
Considering a player like Saquon...  
nzyme : 11/11/2019 8:00 am : link
Can't get anywhere I think OL is THE MOST IMPORTANT aspect of this team that needs an upgrade. Not only does effect Saquon but it's going to get Daniel Jones killed.

Next is ILBs. Two of them if possible. We have no idea what Ryan Connelly is going to do. Players with ACLs usually take two years to fully come back.

If we can get another edge player sure but we have two players that NEED to pan out. Lorenzo Carter and Oshane Ximines.

We don't know about safety because Julian Love needs to FREAKING PLAY!!!!

RE: This team is so badly coached  
Reb8thVA : 11/11/2019 8:07 am : link
In comment 14674552 section125 said:
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I just do not know which players suck and which players are worth keeping. Would anyone think that Zeitler was truly one of the best guards in football before this year?

I do not like trading down especially if a true difference maker was available. If they are at #3 or #4 and could trade to #6 while getting an additional #1 and or 2 #2s, it might be worth it. But who has those picks to trade while needing a QB?

At the least they need:
LT/RT
C
ER
ILB
FS


+1. Itís hard to discern who is worth keeping and who isnít.
RE: Let's see how it shakes out  
giants#1 : 11/11/2019 8:19 am : link
In comment 14674535 ryanmkeane said:
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but have the feeling one of these teams is going to offer the farm for a top QB

Considering we don't have our own 3rd rounder, it'd be nice to get something like:

2020 1st
2020 2nd
2020 4th
2021 1st


'Best' case would be losing to the Dolphins and jumping them in draft order since they have multiple extra picks this year.
More is not always more  
JonC : 11/11/2019 8:21 am : link
Stick to your board and make moves accordingly. This roster isn't even five pieces away from being respectable.
This is the predicament the GM has to weigh  
The_Boss : 11/11/2019 8:23 am : link
(Hopefully DG isnít the GM) Trade down or pick a potential game wrecker at Edge. Donít forget possibly a franchise Left Tackle too.

This team is so far away from a personnel perspective with regards to competing for a playoff berth. They need so many more players itís depressing to list: OT(2), OC, TE, WR1, WR2, EDGE, multiple LBís, FS, Long Snapper, a threat at PR, maybe a better Punter, and better depth. Mara may as well hang a ďHELP WANTEDĒ sign on the front door.
Andrew Thomas  
BillT : 11/11/2019 8:24 am : link
Is worthy of a top 5 if not top 3 pick and fills a huge need and so does Chase Young. No need to trade down if you can get a stud at a position of need.
I disagree Jon with the roster  
RollBlue : 11/11/2019 8:28 am : link
it's mostly coaching. Give me Chase Young and a decent coaching staff and this team could easily be 5-4, 6-3 even with the crap on the O-line. Sign one good FA OL and draft one this off season, but MUST get a decent coaching staff.
RE: Andrew Thomas  
Biteymax22 : 11/11/2019 8:56 am : link
In comment 14674617 BillT said:
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Is worthy of a top 5 if not top 3 pick and fills a huge need and so does Chase Young. No need to trade down if you can get a stud at a position of need.


This is a name we need to see more of on this board. If we pick 3rd, we probably miss out on Young, Thomas would help this team every bit as much.
I  
AcidTest : 11/11/2019 8:58 am : link
would absolutely trade down, even if Young is available.

Young could bust, or get hurt. We're also not one player away from being competitive. We have a million holes, and no third round pick of our own because of the Williams trade. The projected comp pick for Landon Collins won't be until the end of the third round.

But it's a moot discussion. The Giants are institutionally opposed to trading down, in any round. Gettleman has never done so, and neither did Reese. The last time we traded down was when Accorsi did so for Kiwi.
the predictatment  
BigBlueCane : 11/11/2019 9:00 am : link
is the team's ability to evaluate and grade out offensive linemen has become trash even as those in the scouting field tell us about 'value'.
Maybe we lose out  
Metnut : 11/11/2019 9:03 am : link
and can get Young AND trade down. Giants go 2-14, get #1 pick. Miami (at #3) trades up and also offers Pit 1st round pick and MIAs 3rd round pick to move up two slots. Who knows, maybe we could even get more.

Just lose baby!
Think of NFL talent as a bell curve. If you can get one of the  
cosmicj : 11/11/2019 9:05 am : link
Small number of players in the right hand of that curve, you get them. Trade down only if you donít see that type of ability at your spot.
RE: the predictatment  
cosmicj : 11/11/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14674736 BigBlueCane said:
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is the team's ability to evaluate and grade out offensive linemen has become trash even as those in the scouting field tell us about 'value'.
Gettleman needs to bring in an offensive line expert whoís only job is to conduct quality control on pro and NCAA Linemen scouting. Thereís clearly an organizational problem here and it is vital to solve it. They need to spend the money and get the expertise to fix this.
We need to see free agency first  
Carl in CT : 11/11/2019 9:19 am : link
Before this stuff starts. Yes both guys would make a difference.
RE: RE: the predictatment  
Simms11 : 11/11/2019 9:20 am : link
In comment 14674758 cosmicj said:
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In comment 14674736 BigBlueCane said:


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is the team's ability to evaluate and grade out offensive linemen has become trash even as those in the scouting field tell us about 'value'.

Gettleman needs to bring in an offensive line expert whoís only job is to conduct quality control on pro and NCAA Linemen scouting. Thereís clearly an organizational problem here and it is vital to solve it. They need to spend the money and get the expertise to fix this.


I've been saying this for years. We need to do a much better job of scouting Oline. It's been years since we've had a decent lineman drafted. Snee was probably the last one IMO.
Cincinnati is getting  
section125 : 11/11/2019 9:28 am : link
#1. The best the Giants get is #2 or #3. Cincy is one of the teams that needs a QB.
I think there are 5 1st rd QBs available...
We already made a mistake not trading down  
bubba0825 : 11/11/2019 9:32 am : link
When we took Barkley, We def need more picks
RE: I heard he  
mdc1 : 11/11/2019 9:43 am : link
In comment 14674500 Giantimistic said:
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Was touched by the hand of Zeus.


Until most find out he is a Dematha product and you come to your senses. 2 years out of HS. talent or not dampen your enthusiasm.
Nah, no way  
aGiantGuy : 11/11/2019 10:22 am : link
I would take Young or Thomas over 3 second round players. I havenít seen an edge and OT prospect look this good since Von Miller and Jake Long. Iím just hoping one of them falls, if they donít, Iím all aboard the trade down train.
Chase Young is the best defensive prospect to come out in years  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/11/2019 10:24 am : link
If you have the chance you take him, but Thomas wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.
RE: I disagree Jon with the roster  
JonC : 11/11/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14674634 RollBlue said:
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it's mostly coaching. Give me Chase Young and a decent coaching staff and this team could easily be 5-4, 6-3 even with the crap on the O-line. Sign one good FA OL and draft one this off season, but MUST get a decent coaching staff.


Roster has big holes on the OL, WR, and throughout the back seven on defense. I'm talking about building a winner, not just an average football team. No more Solders and Ogltrees, bite the suck bullet and ride it out.
No offense  
Mike from SI : 11/11/2019 10:34 am : link
but these threads always incorrectly assume that someone is sitting there willing to give us equal value. That is not always the case.
RE: RE: RE: With all of the cap space that we will have  
TheMick7 : 11/11/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14674519 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14674502 GMEN46 said:


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Are there 1 or 2 big time free agents that can be difference makers at positions of need on defense?



Markus Golden? While Gettleman squanders high draft picks for someone like Williams w/the hope of signing him,Golden is providing the only pass rush we have. He needs to be THE priority to sign in the off-season!



L Williams was our best pass rusher yesterday.

Golden's been a great signing and for the right price I'd retain him, but Williams destroyed their OL all night.


Really? Williams 1T 2A; Golden2T 2A 1 Sack 2 TFL
If we pick 2nd overall.... or maybe even 3rd....  
90.Cal : 11/11/2019 11:05 am : link
someone will want to trade up for whoever is available between Tua/Burrow. Will that same someone be willing to give up 2 first rounders + is the real question and also is Chase Young or Andrew Thomas, future gold jacket guys? Because if DG thinks so he isn't trading with anyone amd we can't afford to pass on either 1 if they are...
.  
idiotsavant : 11/11/2019 11:26 am : link
O and,OL:

This Packers lite wco system just kills OL effectiveness .
That's over two coaches and two GMs.

Implement an entirely different approach on O and use top free agents at center and right tackle.

Not saying that gets you a winning season but it's still a two year project due to grabbing the w
Qb last year.

On D:

In addition to the list in this thread i'd say we really need 2 free safeties;

the speed burner ball hawk, and the great slot/s/FS (plus 2 top ilbs, one thats safety like but bigger, one great olb type, the other edge, keep golden and draft a true fatty 2 gap nose tackle to free up Dex and Williams inside ).

That's the whole draft.

Maybe the zone blocking heavy bully TE to get the new system going.

Oh, and an instant burst to the edge RB. For the same reason as the TE.

'how the Giants can afford NOT to trade down'  
Torrag : 11/11/2019 12:20 pm : link
I disagree. This defense needs a threat. A player that wins and demands extra planning and attention. If you believe a player of that caliber is on the board you don't hesitate. You make the pick. Period.
Chase Y  
5BowlsSoon : 11/11/2019 1:18 pm : link
I donít watch college football, so what I want to know is this.....is he the next LT or is he much like a Bosa?

To bad  
Amtoft : 11/11/2019 1:21 pm : link
the NFL didn't have this thing where you can sign players that weren't in contract to help your team. Guess it is draft or bust!
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