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Daniel Jones Fumbling

jerseygiant : 11/11/2019 9:19 am
While the fumbles have obviously been a huge issue for DJ in his rookie year, I think we should be more excited about all the good, and hopeful this is cleaned up. As of now, he's at 13 fumbles. But he isn't alone...

Look at some of the fumbling numbers by other QBs, and how they fared in years 2, 3, 4, etc..

Warren Moon - 17, 12, 11, 8
Andrew Luck - 10, 6
Bernie Kosar - 14, 7, 2
Lamar Jackson - 12, 4
Carson Wentz - 14, 9

This can be fixed.

Good post.  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/11/2019 9:21 am : link
DJ has done a remarkable job handling the expectations of a #6 pick that was panned initially, and the resilience and guts he has shown has been very encouraging.
So, 8 games compared to 16?  
robbieballs2003 : 11/11/2019 9:24 am : link
That seems fair.
People need to stop this shit on the fumbles ...  
Spider56 : 11/11/2019 9:26 am : link
DJ is a worker .and heíll clean this up in the off-season and he will be fine.
Right now, the biggest problem is coaching ... at all positions except special teams.
Whatever the number  
jerseygiant : 11/11/2019 9:26 am : link
The point is that even huge fumbling numbers can be cut down.
Turnovers are a masive problem  
penkap75 : 11/11/2019 9:28 am : link
But DJ has massive testicles and throws a beautiful ball. Can QB guru Shurmur coach the turnovers out of him? We shall see.
I think there are differences in terms of fumbles  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/11/2019 9:30 am : link
a bunch of Jones have been as his arm is cocking and moving forward to complete the pass and it is knocked out from behind. Those are a lot different than the ones where the QB is getting sacked or scrambling and loses the ball. I can live with the first kind (unhappily) but not with the latter.
I hope your right  
GiantEgo : 11/11/2019 9:30 am : link
He has shown incredible promise but the fumbling is bad enough to derail his career.
of course it can be fixed  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2019 9:31 am : link
if the biggest issue after 14 games is fumbling, I'll take it.
Great post  
jerrydo : 11/11/2019 9:33 am : link
The fumbles are definitely fixable as are most of his mistakes. He is a rookie and most of the flaws in his game appear to be of the rookie variety.

My concerns for DJ long-term are the hits he exposes himself to when he scrambles and the coaching carousel that will surely be a part of his early career. Oh, and can we please find someone to build an offensive line? I am sick and tired of watching an offense that cannot run block or pass protect.
The fumbles are not that big of a concern to me  
Rudy5757 : 11/11/2019 9:34 am : link
I do believe that it will get fixed, more of an offseason type of thing. Hard to really cure that once the season is underway. He looks good to me, the passes and decision making for a rookie are very good.

The guy is trying to do too much right now. His WRs on a good day are average. Its a problem when a Bennie Fowler is receiving significant playing time. Yes the fumbles are bad but yesterday he was getting mugged, I am surprised he didnt fumble more. The positives are all there yet people want to focus on the fumbles. Tiki barber had a terrible fumbling problem and he was able to get it fixed.

It has to be a focal point of the offseason and I think DJ will take care of it even before the minicamps begin. He is a guy from all reports that works to get better. I have no doubt that it will get better.
I blame the shitty O-line for it.  
fivehead : 11/11/2019 9:36 am : link
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All these comments about jones fumbling  
Giantfan21 : 11/11/2019 9:37 am : link
and once again barely a peep about barkley who has 29 rushing yards combined the last 2 games, showed terrible effort last week not going after that ball that was returned for a TD, and is a total shitshow as a pass protector and directly caused jones 2 fumbles.

I dont get why he gets such a pass from giants fans while jones plays well and still gets criticized and dissected non stop
It isn't the fumbles..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/11/2019 9:38 am : link
that need correcting. It is the recognition of the pressure and not making mistakes once the throwing motion starts.

The majority of his fumbles have been from not feeling the pressure or not seeing it coming at him.
RE: All these comments about jones fumbling  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/11/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14674858 Giantfan21 said:
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and once again barely a peep about barkley who has 29 rushing yards combined the last 2 games, showed terrible effort last week not going after that ball that was returned for a TD, and is a total shitshow as a pass protector and directly caused jones 2 fumbles.

I dont get why he gets such a pass from giants fans while jones plays well and still gets criticized and dissected non stop


Barely a peep about Barkley??

You have had a few morons saying he's nearing bust status after yesterday.

From your post, I'm gathering that you might want to join that group of forward thinkers.

Good Luck, Champ....
RE: All these comments about jones fumbling  
jerrydo : 11/11/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14674858 Giantfan21 said:
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and once again barely a peep about barkley who has 29 rushing yards combined the last 2 games, showed terrible effort last week not going after that ball that was returned for a TD, and is a total shitshow as a pass protector and directly caused jones 2 fumbles.

I dont get why he gets such a pass from giants fans while jones plays well and still gets criticized and dissected non stop


I agree with your take on Barkley not playing well, however, I do believe that he is playing hurt.

He hesitates and is an unwilling blocker - two traits that were not a part of his game prior to the high ankle.
RE: I blame the shitty O-line for it.  
dank41 : 11/11/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14674851 fivehead said:
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Ya he's been getting crushed. I actually think Eli would of gotten hurt by now.
Fats  
fkap : 11/11/2019 9:46 am : link
your take is potentially a good sign. If the game slows down for him, he can then add another mental task to the massive mental workload.

Plus, if the pass protection ever gets passable, even if he doesn't get better at it, the issue lessens.
RE: RE: All these comments about jones fumbling  
Giantfan21 : 11/11/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14674873 jerrydo said:
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In comment 14674858 Giantfan21 said:


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and once again barely a peep about barkley who has 29 rushing yards combined the last 2 games, showed terrible effort last week not going after that ball that was returned for a TD, and is a total shitshow as a pass protector and directly caused jones 2 fumbles.

I dont get why he gets such a pass from giants fans while jones plays well and still gets criticized and dissected non stop



I agree with your take on Barkley not playing well, however, I do believe that he is playing hurt.

He hesitates and is an unwilling blocker - two traits that were not a part of his game prior to the high ankle.


He very well could still be hurt. But if that is the case, then why is he out there ? He is not helping himself or the team being out there and playing like this so both shurmur and barkley should have been honest about the situation and let gallman get the bulk of the playing time instead .
RE: Fats  
jerseygiant : 11/11/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14674897 fkap said:
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your take is potentially a good sign. If the game slows down for him, he can then add another mental task to the massive mental workload.

Plus, if the pass protection ever gets passable, even if he doesn't get better at it, the issue lessens.


I understand we are all miserable and sick and tired of the season being over by Halloween every year .. but let's enjoy SOME of it! DJ is a gem!
RE: Fats  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/11/2019 9:50 am : link
In comment 14674897 fkap said:
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your take is potentially a good sign. If the game slows down for him, he can then add another mental task to the massive mental workload.

Plus, if the pass protection ever gets passable, even if he doesn't get better at it, the issue lessens.


My favorite play from yesterday's game was the short TD to Tate. On that play:

- Jones is looking for Ellison crossing, but he was blaketed
- He then looks to the middle and can't find an open receiver
- He sees Tate post up and throws the TD

It was all made possible by him standing in the pocket and the OL giving him time to make reads and throw. He didn't panic nor use the previous pressure he's seen to rush the play.

If we can get a OL that gives time, these are the plays we will come to expect, much like we see when QB's like Rodgers or Brees have time to throw.
Should not even count against him as a negative play  
Bob in Newburgh : 11/11/2019 9:51 am : link
What did he do?

He went about doing his job, while he trusted his vaunted teammate, who should have had physical advantage, to do his.

A good mature QB does not give up on that play.
The fumbles seem to be his only real 'issue'.  
Dinger : 11/11/2019 9:51 am : link
He's made a few rookie mistakes but for the most part he has the tools and the smarts it seems. I think you also have to take into account he seems to be try to do too much. He's trying to single handedly win games. Maybe trying too hard to prove he was worth the 6th.
Barkley's pass blocking is horrific  
RollBlue : 11/11/2019 9:55 am : link
we need a coaching staff that can fix that. No reason a guy of his size and talent should be this BAD at blocking in year 2.
RE: It isn't the fumbles..  
barens : 11/11/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14674863 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that need correcting. It is the recognition of the pressure and not making mistakes once the throwing motion starts.

The majority of his fumbles have been from not feeling the pressure or not seeing it coming at him.


Isn't that the point tho? Wouldn't you think the aforementioned QB's had the same problems in their first year?

I agree, that his awareness in the pocket is a problem, but it's got to give you some hope that it is mainly a first year QB thing, rather than a Daniel Jones thing.
Its an issue...  
trueblueinpw : 11/11/2019 10:03 am : link
Agree w/ much of above, itís not the fumbles per se, itís the lack of awareness and ability to sense pressure. He takes some big hits and seems awkward with the ball as passes and his runs are progressing. Iím honestly not sure that awareness or pocket presence can be taught. This isnít like coaching a RB to hold the ball at three points or a WR to brace for contact. He had this knock of ball security and awareness coming out of Duke and you can bet that Cutcliffe tried coaching that problem out of DJs game.

On the other hand, thereís times when you see these flashes of ability that amaze and astound. Itís interesting because ball security is really the only hole weíre seeing in Jones game. This should tell us everything we need to know about the importance of ball security because itís the only thing about this kid that worries any of us. Time will tell.
As mentioned, it's not the fumbles but  
eclipz928 : 11/11/2019 10:06 am : link
but the lack of awareness in the pocket. But I think the larger issue is that he's also not recognizing the defense and adjusting protections - too many times he's getting hit by guys that are completely unblocked.

He's a rookie, but I'm actually surprised that he hasn't shown more improvement in that area by this point - especially with Eli, who's strength is pre snap, as a mentor.

I'm hopeful year two will be much better in that regard, but I am a bit disappointed with that aspect of Daniel Jones' game thus far.
Fats  
fkap : 11/11/2019 10:07 am : link
the not getting rattled thing is huge. Easy E used to have it, until it was pounded out of him and he was hearing footsteps whether they were there or not.
RE: Its an issue...  
barens : 11/11/2019 10:27 am : link
In comment 14674952 trueblueinpw said:
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Agree w/ much of above, itís not the fumbles per se, itís the lack of awareness and ability to sense pressure. He takes some big hits and seems awkward with the ball as passes and his runs are progressing. Iím honestly not sure that awareness or pocket presence can be taught. This isnít like coaching a RB to hold the ball at three points or a WR to brace for contact. He had this knock of ball security and awareness coming out of Duke and you can bet that Cutcliffe tried coaching that problem out of DJs game.

On the other hand, thereís times when you see these flashes of ability that amaze and astound. Itís interesting because ball security is really the only hole weíre seeing in Jones game. This should tell us everything we need to know about the importance of ball security because itís the only thing about this kid that worries any of us. Time will tell.


I would be more dismayed if there were other red flags, but as a fan, I feel like it's easy to be patient when we have a QB who seems to be having a lot of success on 3rd downs, something Eli had been struggling with over the last few years. Over and over, we've seen Jones move the chains on third and long, and that's gotta count for something.

I will take the good with the bad with the hope that the bad will improve.
Agreed it can  
rocco8112 : 11/11/2019 10:29 am : link
and there is a lot to like with Jones. After the ball was ripped from him like he was a child and taken in for six, on the next drive I believe the Giants responded with a TD.

He has that cool hand unflappable thing going, he can run and he can really put the ball in a catchable spot. He ripped one in traffic on the first TD.

He has taken some real shots though and he has to stop fumbling literally every game. That has to stop and is not as maddening now since he is a rookie and the Giants lose so much those fumbles get caught in the wash.
He needs  
Carson53 : 11/11/2019 10:30 am : link
to see or feel pressure from the right side of the line,
that has caused some fumbles this year. A quarterback has to be able to do that to succeed.
If he gets hit from the blind side, hard not to fumble at times.
The one yesterday, all on Barkley, he has been a piss poor pass blocker in recent weeks!
You can't just stick a shoulder in there for a block,
not good enough, and not acceptable.
RE: So, 8 games compared to 16?oÍ  
Toth029 : 11/11/2019 10:41 am : link
In comment 14674810 robbieballs2003 said:
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That seems fair.


Jackson was 8.
RE: It isn't the fumbles..  
Optimus-NY : 11/11/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14674863 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that need correcting. It is the recognition of the pressure and not making mistakes once the throwing motion starts.

The majority of his fumbles have been from not feeling the pressure or not seeing it coming at him.


BINGO
RE: People need to stop this shit on the fumbles ...  
Wiggy : 11/11/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14674818 Spider56 said:
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DJ is a worker .and heíll clean this up in the off-season and he will be fine.
Right now, the biggest problem is coaching ... at all positions except special teams.

Rosas and DeOssie suck too.
RE: RE: It isn't the fumbles..  
RELICDOA : 11/11/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14675070 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 14674863 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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that need correcting. It is the recognition of the pressure and not making mistakes once the throwing motion starts.

The majority of his fumbles have been from not feeling the pressure or not seeing it coming at him.



BINGO


Exactly
I would like to see one game in which he is aware of the pressure and  
RELICDOA : 11/11/2019 10:52 am : link
Proactively makes decisions to run and/or throw it away. In that same game no turnovers! Thatís the progress I want to see.
Fixing the OL  
MotownGIANTS : 11/11/2019 11:02 am : link
will cut the numbers in 1/2 as stated above some are on poor pass pro and him getting clobbered ... and some is on his internal clock (holding the ball to long) and pocket awareness.
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