The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
That's a bit melodramatic
For what it's worth, guys like Steph, Klay, etc. Â
I won't judge a man who was grieved enough at the loss of one of his closest friends on 9-11 the he needed to take a break from the intensity of being an NBA coach.
Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
you are right...
I’ll be there too. I’ll be in the band Playing the trombone while the ship goes down...
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
KP on the verge of requiring a max contract for his services was arguably an asset of near zero net value.
The pertinent issue isn't whether he is a "good" player. The issue is whether he was worth a 5 year commitment at #32M per year.
If not, he did not have net value.
And tonight is not just one game. He's shooting not much better than 40% on the season. And he's a slow, lumbering guy in a game that is trending significantly faster paced.
RE: RE: KP: 1-11 from field tonight; 4 pts, 5 fouls Â
Van Gundy would improve the team and they'd win more games than they would with Fizdale but what would make anyone think he is a long-term answer? I don't know if he can even run a modern NBA team. It's been 12 years since he coached in the league. The system he used to run would be annihilated and steamrolled by the modern game.
Both teams have bad GMs who made bad coaching hires and some major misses in free agency. At least Mara and Tisch are not clowns and care about their team. They may not know what to do to fix it, but lack of interest is not the problem.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
Both teams have bad GMs who made bad coaching hires and some major misses in free agency. At least Mara and Tisch are not clowns and care about their team. They may not know what to do to fix it, but lack of interest is not the problem.
so you want dolan more involved? do you really think dolan doesnt care? you think he was spending all that money on the team and doesnt care?
Dolan is a bad owner because he trusts and hires the wrong people..
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
RE: RE: RE: Who on this roster should be running/scoring off of cuts? Â
Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
I'm not saying that the offense should be built on cutting to the basket. I'm saying that the stat is reflective of a general lack of motion in the offense. The Iso "hero ball" that Fiz seems to like to run with Morris and Randle and even RJ. The knicks do very little to put pressure on the defense at all. There are cuts that can be made off a PnR early in a possession that would make it harder for the defense to settle in. Instead, Morris or Randle dribble for a few seconds way past the 3pt line before a ball screen comes and then we're on our way to a switch that becomes an iso or a bad shot off the dribble. There is no motion or organization to the offense. The point is not that these guys have foot speed to outrun defenders to the basket. The point is that players moving and cutting, even with slower footspeed puts pressure on the defense to stay organized while also following these players around.
Lastly, if Randle, Portis and Morris don't have movement skills (I agree with this completely) then Fiz shouldn't play all three at the same time. Work in Dot, Trier and Knox with just two of those three at any time.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
this take is....something.
Please give us more of your insights! Can't wait to hear what else you got!
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
what am i underselling? besides those 10 games his 3rd year, he is an ineffecient scorer, and cant rebound, and he is an awful defender besides shot blocking..
He will have games where he looks dominant but it is few and far between..even the vame against the knicks, when it mattered most he was 1-5...
Whatever, man. The trade was a stroke of genius and we're clearly much better off without him.
did i fucking say that? where did i say it was a good trade? i simply stating that kp is not a superstar yet that everyone claims.., he is a good player that is a 2 or 3 on a good team...
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The Mavs are scoring 101.2 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis ON the floor this season.
The Mavs are scoring 125.7 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis OFF the court this season.
KP'S Net Rating (minus-8.3) is the worst on the team.
So we're back to talking about his first nine games Â
You don't actually believe that right? He's not Gobert but he's an above average to good defender and provides great rim protection. An awful defender is Randle and Bobby Portis.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
RE: Also, I have no idea what Melo has to do with anything Â
You don't actually believe that right? He's not Gobert but he's an above average to good defender and provides great rim protection. An awful defender is Randle and Bobby Portis.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
KP is a fantastic shot blocker but his defensive awareness is not very good, he is not a good 1 on 1 defender, gets lost in space and has slow feet..
And i am not framing anything i said the same thing when he was a knick as i am sayong now
could end up the next Greg Kite and it doesn't change the fact that multiple regimes at MSG botched nearly every single thing related to him since the day he was drafted. If a few random lousy stats one month into his comeback make you feel better about how the team handled his time here, then have at it. But that doesn't change the fact that we've had morons running this team for quite some time.
just for the record i never once said it was a good trade Â
We all know he is a talented player, and does a lot of things on the court that very few guys in the league can do. He wasn't nicknamed the "Unicorn" by accident.
But the most important stat for him is that for his CAREER he has played a total of 1 game in the month of April. Durability is the question for him, not talent.
That's a bit melodramatic
The whole thing is a joke. As long as we have this buffoon of an owner, nothing will change.
you dont need another guy just taking the money
he said he wa sijterested
I won't judge a man who was grieved enough at the loss of one of his closest friends on 9-11 the he needed to take a break from the intensity of being an NBA coach.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
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Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
you are right...
I’ll be there too. I’ll be in the band Playing the trombone while the ship goes down...
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
KP on the verge of requiring a max contract for his services was arguably an asset of near zero net value.
The pertinent issue isn't whether he is a "good" player. The issue is whether he was worth a 5 year commitment at #32M per year.
If not, he did not have net value.
And tonight is not just one game. He's shooting not much better than 40% on the season. And he's a slow, lumbering guy in a game that is trending significantly faster paced.
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And more than once getting beat down the court for easy Boston baskets off missed shots.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
its not one bad game, the mavs are brtter with hjm off the floir according to stats..
he has a good game tgen a bad game..
18 and 7 on 40%
meanwhile randle is 16 and 10 with 3 assists on 44%
Thank God there is at least one person with some common
Sense . I’m
Guessing most of this who want JVG were kids when
He coached
Which isn’t to say he can’t. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
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The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
That's a bit melodramatic
You are correct, was caught up in my feelings.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
so you want dolan more involved? do you really think dolan doesnt care? you think he was spending all that money on the team and doesnt care?
Dolan is a bad owner because he trusts and hires the wrong people..
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
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Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
I'm not saying that the offense should be built on cutting to the basket. I'm saying that the stat is reflective of a general lack of motion in the offense. The Iso "hero ball" that Fiz seems to like to run with Morris and Randle and even RJ. The knicks do very little to put pressure on the defense at all. There are cuts that can be made off a PnR early in a possession that would make it harder for the defense to settle in. Instead, Morris or Randle dribble for a few seconds way past the 3pt line before a ball screen comes and then we're on our way to a switch that becomes an iso or a bad shot off the dribble. There is no motion or organization to the offense. The point is not that these guys have foot speed to outrun defenders to the basket. The point is that players moving and cutting, even with slower footspeed puts pressure on the defense to stay organized while also following these players around.
Lastly, if Randle, Portis and Morris don't have movement skills (I agree with this completely) then Fiz shouldn't play all three at the same time. Work in Dot, Trier and Knox with just two of those three at any time.
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
this take is....something.
Please give us more of your insights! Can't wait to hear what else you got!
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
Between the inefficiency from the field, the injuries and the poor rebounding, I don't think he'll ever be a top 30 player in the league.
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
what am i underselling? besides those 10 games his 3rd year, he is an ineffecient scorer, and cant rebound, and he is an awful defender besides shot blocking..
He will have games where he looks dominant but it is few and far between..even the vame against the knicks, when it mattered most he was 1-5...
You're shading things to fit what you want to believe about him and exaggerating his negatives quite a bit.
You're shading things to fit what you want to believe about him and exaggerating his negatives quite a bit.
he shot 44% in his 3rd year before he got hurt, how is that effecient?
did i fucking say that? where did i say it was a good trade? i simply stating that kp is not a superstar yet that everyone claims.., he is a good player that is a 2 or 3 on a good team...
I said the same thing when he was knick to...
Was Carmelo an effecient scorer on the Knicks?
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Kristaps Porzingis is the only player in the NBA this season attempting more than 15 FG's per game, yet shooting 40% or worse from the floor and below 70% from the FT stripe.
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The Mavs are scoring 101.2 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis ON the floor this season.
The Mavs are scoring 125.7 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis OFF the court this season.
KP'S Net Rating (minus-8.3) is the worst on the team.
you didnt answer the question, was melo effecient as a knick?
I disagree. I'd rather he play well and rub Dolan's fat fucking face in it.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
well you said kp was efrecient because of his per of 20.5
so i was just wondering what you thought of melo who had a 21.5 per in 7 seasons with the knicks...
Just wondering who was the chucker and who was effecient?
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
KP is a fantastic shot blocker but his defensive awareness is not very good, he is not a good 1 on 1 defender, gets lost in space and has slow feet..
And i am not framing anything i said the same thing when he was a knick as i am sayong now
But the most important stat for him is that for his CAREER he has played a total of 1 game in the month of April. Durability is the question for him, not talent.