"Mills is selling owner James Dolan on a roster constructed to be highly competitive in the Eastern Conference, leaving Fizdale vulnerable to an ouster only weeks into the second season of a four-year contract that league sources say is worth $22 million."
Are you fucking serious? This fucking team? This poorly-constructed mishmash of shit as a contender? Holy shit. I really hope we don't do something stupid and start buying and believing we have a chance to win...
be competing for a championship. But they're more talented than their 2-8 record. Fizdale absolutely should be coaching for his job right now.
One day the Knicks might realize that in an era clearly defined as the era of great lead or great point guards, the Knicks won’t compete unless they have one of the 20 or so excellent PGs currently tearing shit up. We have hot garbage at the PG spot unless you think Frankie smokes and his one good game a month is enough to mitigate these issues.
but Mike Miller should get the chance. I think promoting him to the NBA staff is partly what Woj means by Mills "laying the groundwork" for the change.
RE: If mills is allowed to hire a new coach i am done Â
Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
RE: RE: If mills is allowed to hire a new coach i am done Â
Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
but this up and down effort game after game is on the coach.
Also, the constant line-up switches is ridiculous.
Fizdale is over his head and needs to go.
decades other then dolan. Dolan isnt going anywhere unfortunately so get rid of this snake. Him throwing fizdale under the bus to dolan to save his own ass is gross.
The guy built a mismanaged roster and signed a bunch of guys who only care about padding their own stats since they are on short term deals playing for their next contract They are also getting in the way of the young guys developing properly since they are ball stoppers and dont move the ball .
Instead of collecting assets and trading for bad contracts like smart organizations with picks attached they went for another short term fix using cap space on 4 PF and vets who only care about $$$. They cant get mills out of here quick enough
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Should the Knicks eventually move on from Fizdale, there are in-house options -- Keith Smart has been a head coach, Kaleb Canales was an interim coach in Portland -- but the name to be watched is Mark Jackson. He was a pre-Fiz candidate and a favorite of GM Scott Perry.
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Should the Knicks eventually move on from Fizdale, there are in-house options -- Keith Smart has been a head coach, Kaleb Canales was an interim coach in Portland -- but the name to be watched is Mark Jackson. He was a pre-Fiz candidate and a favorite of GM Scott Perry.
They are going to keep perry and mills and give them a chance to sign another HC ? and they are going to potentially bring in mark jackson ??? HOLY FUCK
Fans need to bring back the protesting outside the garden that was starting to happen before dolan signed phil
I always thought the theme was Fiz would help draw Durant here Â
which obviously didn’t happen. I don’t see how this Knicks roster competes for even the 8 seed, but I also don’t see how Fizdale is the long term answer as a coach.
But I’m sure they’ll handle it terribly, and fuck up a new hire too...because, Knicks
Whichever candidate best resembles Lenny Wilkens Â
If they let Mills and Perry hire Mark Jackson I’m done with this team. Adam Silver needs to step in.
Another pacers win and 19/8/6 from Brogdon. Funny how the Knicks spent 70 million and had no interest in this guy. I’m not saying he’s perfect or would solve everything, but he would help. And he actually wins and defends- not just talk about it like Randle and Portis.
Mills has presided over the arrivals and departures of five Knicks coaches. His overall record as team president is 165-337 , including 48-126 since taking the job over from Phil Jackson in 2017.
Mills will no longer escape the wrath of Knicks fans and critics. Â
That's one thing that's been proven in the past 24 hours. He was better off lurking in the shadows.
Bingo. And Fizdale has a lot of friends around the league and in the media. He won’t go down without swinging. This needs a full housecleaning. I wish they lost that Dallas game because that might have been on the table.
They're playing Dallas on Thursday at MSG - game's on TNT. Â
this is shaping up super well for Fiz. Mills just assumed all of the heat and Fiz about to go full martyr. The narrative will all be slamming the front office and Fizdale will be painted as the scapegoat.
Mills has presided over the arrivals and departures of five Knicks coaches. His overall record as team president is 165-337 , including 48-126 since taking the job over from Phil Jackson in 2017.
He needs to be gone. I'd rather get rid of Mills than Fizdale, but both should go.
this is shaping up super well for Fiz. Mills just assumed all of the heat and Fiz about to go full martyr. The narrative will all be slamming the front office and Fizdale will be painted as the scapegoat.
You’re assuming some anonymous stories bashing Fizdale don’t start to leak out...so Dolan and company can spin the narrative their way.
Shoot I half expect it to get leaked that Fizdale has a drinking problem
this is shaping up super well for Fiz. Mills just assumed all of the heat and Fiz about to go full martyr. The narrative will all be slamming the front office and Fizdale will be painted as the scapegoat.
You’re assuming some anonymous stories bashing Fizdale don’t start to leak out...so Dolan and company can spin the narrative their way.
Shoot I half expect it to get leaked that Fizdale has a drinking problem
who in the media is friendly with dolan? no one is going to write a story to help dolan
Nobody in the media with any sense would do Dolan’s bidding Â
There are a few other names out there as well: Stan Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Kevin McHale, Thibs...
Bring in Jackson for the season see how he does then decide if you want to go another direction in the offseason. Pretty clear Fiz isnt getting it done.
is a Wrestlemania main event level match. There are few things as entertaining as the Dolan Knicks but you add Mark Jackson in between Mills and Dolan? That's gold.
is a Wrestlemania main event level match. There are few things as entertaining as the Dolan Knicks but you add Mark Jackson in between Mills and Dolan? That's gold.
You wanna make it really interesting? Let JVG and Jackson co-coach.
is a Wrestlemania main event level match. There are few things as entertaining as the Dolan Knicks but you add Mark Jackson in between Mills and Dolan? That's gold.
Would you rather Stan Van Gundy? Thibs is too defense with no offensive clue for my liking.
"competing for a championship" lol. Just be a damn team that doesn't look like a total mess on the court and absolute shitshow behind the scenes.
Ive been saying this for years. I really enjoyed the 2013 team even though I knew they weren't winning the title. Imagine if the Knicks were in the Blazers situation right now? We would love that team.
It's not hard to build a playoff team in the NBA. It's just hard for the Knicks and Steve Mills and Scott Perry. It is hard to build a championship team.
Is that I’m still dumb enough to think the Giants could get out of this mess with a couple smart hires. I have no such delusions about the Knicks. It will never work out with Dolan as the owner.
RE: RE: All I want is a functional basketball operation. Forget about Â
"competing for a championship" lol. Just be a damn team that doesn't look like a total mess on the court and absolute shitshow behind the scenes.
Ive been saying this for years. I really enjoyed the 2013 team even though I knew they weren't winning the title. Imagine if the Knicks were in the Blazers situation right now? We would love that team.
It's not hard to build a playoff team in the NBA. It's just hard for the Knicks and Steve Mills and Scott Perry. It is hard to build a championship team.
yup the hardest part is making that jump from good to great team..
knicks cant even go from bad to mediocre
Usually bad teams hang in the lottery long enough Â
to stumble on a couple of good players. Wizards found Beal and Wall, Raptors found Lowry and DeRozan, Warriors found Curry and Thompson - hell, some of those guys were late lottery picks, not top three or anything. Seattle/OKC found three studs. Knicks found KP and promptly fucked it up. Ntilikina and Knox are looking like complementary pieces, and we'll see about Barrett - shooting needs to improve pretty dramatically for him to be a franchise guy. We should've made more progress by now, even with our half-hearted tanking efforts.
The Knicks aren't a good team, but there's no explanation for the Â
complete bed shittings at home against bad teams. If Fiz can get them to play at a certain level in San Antonio, Boston, Orlando, and Dallas, then that level should probably be expected at home against Sacramento, Cleveland, and Chicago. I can't and won't defend the coach for that. And if he can't extract better effort on one end of the floor from Randle and Portis, then maybe they need to sit on the bench. If he's unwilling to do that, someone else should get the job.
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According to NBA/Synergy playtype data, the Knicks rank dead last in the league, by a wide margin, in points scored off cuts.
New York is running cutting action on just 3.6% of their offensive plays, and averaging just 4.6 points per game off cuts this season
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Knicks are also near the very bottom of the league in frequency (15.4%) and points scored (13.8 ppg) off pick-and-roll action.
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New York is in the top-10 in Isolation frequency, but they rank 29th in the NBA in points per ISO possessions — scoring just 0.75 points per ISO possession.
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Knicks are currently top-5 in post-up frequency, but one of only nine teams in the league scoring less than 0.8 points per post-up possession.
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Only 4 teams run more post-ups than NY:
Sixers (Embiid), Lakers (AD), Spurs (Aldridge) and Nuggets (Jokic).
There are only 19 players in the NBA that have post-up frequency greater than 15%.
Three of those 19 players are Knicks: Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Marcus Morris
SGA and bunch of draft picks is a nice haul. You could even work a three-team trade where Paul ends up on a contender and a bunch of assets come your way. But we're not smart enough for such things.
RE: Who on this roster should be running/scoring off of cuts? Â
Ellington? Dotson? They simply don't have players with the necessary skill-sets (movement and jump shooting) to do that.
Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
RE: A good GM could make a solid Paul deal, like Presti did. Â
SGA and bunch of draft picks is a nice haul. You could even work a three-team trade where Paul ends up on a contender and a bunch of assets come your way. But we're not smart enough for such things.
Knocks could wipe away all of their cap and clean their books if they wanted to
I hate Bondy but this column is his best work... Â
The greatest trick Steve Mills ever pulled was convincing Knicks fans he didn’t exist. For over 15 years, Mills has assumed a top executive role at Madison Square Garden, lording over one of the most dysfunctional and unfathomable situations in sports.
Yet Mills has survived in the shadows, distancing himself from one bad maneuver after another. He was the firestarter promoted to firefighter, equipped only with James Dolan’s trust and buzzwords like “culture” and “changing the perception.” Mills’ latest survival tactic was an impromptu press conference on Sunday night, when the Princeton grad declared himself and GM Scott Perry “not happy with where we are right now. We think the team is not performing to the level that we anticipated or we expected to perform at.”
In other words, Mills believes he did a fine job in free agency (he called it “successful” before the season) despite striking out on all his top targets. ESPN reported Monday that Mills has been laying the groundwork for the “eventual dismissal” of Fizdale. That would represent the fifth coach fired with Mills as either GM or team president.
He’s great at finding fall guys.
“I got a two-and-a-half year contract,” Fizdale responded Monday when asked if he’s received any assurances concerning his job. “That’s my assurance. That’s my business. The assurance is that I have a contract.”
Mills declined comment Monday.
To be clear, Fizdale has done a poor job as Knicks coach and deserves criticism for, among other things, failing to establish an identity. But firing the coach would be a band-aid on a bazooka wound. Fizdale isn’t the root of the problem.
There are precisely zero other NBA teams that would hire Mills to be its president of basketball operations. His work as an executive and talent evaluator would make David Kahn cringe.
Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
for chris paul at age 37 in 21/22? That's just too crazy a number. It would have to be a pile of picks coming back.
It was different for OKC taking on the deal - they were on the hook for Westbrook anyway at a similar number that year and an additional year. But absorbing that deal into what is currently empty cap space? I think I'll pass...
for chris paul at age 37 in 21/22? That's just too crazy a number. It would have to be a pile of picks coming back.
It was different for OKC taking on the deal - they were on the hook for Westbrook anyway at a similar number that year and an additional year. But absorbing that deal into what is currently empty cap space? I think I'll pass...
Good point. Take on Noah’s cap hit and Randles 4 mill guaranteed and your probably looking at over half your cap to players not on the team or that can’t really help.
I would package some of these expirings with a protected 1st for deangelo russell. His contract is very reasonable. Him a frank would actually be a very nice backcourt together
Hahn is on the Mark Jackson/Jeff Van Gundy bandwagon Â
because they’re New Yorkers. You’d think a tough New Yorker like Jackson could handle the pressure of....Golden State??? But no, that proved too much for him. Tired of living in the past with this franchise. The 90s Knicks get treated like they’re the 90s Yankees. They aren’t.
RE: Hahn is on the Mark Jackson/Jeff Van Gundy bandwagon Â
because they’re New Yorkers. You’d think a tough New Yorker like Jackson could handle the pressure of....Golden State??? But no, that proved too much for him. Tired of living in the past with this franchise. The 90s Knicks get treated like they’re the 90s Yankees. They aren’t.
I could be talked into JVG. But Mark Jackson would be terrible.
I'd have serious questions about his ability to adjust to the current style of play though - grinding things out in the half court is an uphill battle.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
That's a bit melodramatic
For what it's worth, guys like Steph, Klay, etc. Â
I won't judge a man who was grieved enough at the loss of one of his closest friends on 9-11 the he needed to take a break from the intensity of being an NBA coach.
Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
you are right...
I’ll be there too. I’ll be in the band Playing the trombone while the ship goes down...
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
KP on the verge of requiring a max contract for his services was arguably an asset of near zero net value.
The pertinent issue isn't whether he is a "good" player. The issue is whether he was worth a 5 year commitment at #32M per year.
If not, he did not have net value.
And tonight is not just one game. He's shooting not much better than 40% on the season. And he's a slow, lumbering guy in a game that is trending significantly faster paced.
RE: RE: KP: 1-11 from field tonight; 4 pts, 5 fouls Â
Van Gundy would improve the team and they'd win more games than they would with Fizdale but what would make anyone think he is a long-term answer? I don't know if he can even run a modern NBA team. It's been 12 years since he coached in the league. The system he used to run would be annihilated and steamrolled by the modern game.
Both teams have bad GMs who made bad coaching hires and some major misses in free agency. At least Mara and Tisch are not clowns and care about their team. They may not know what to do to fix it, but lack of interest is not the problem.
The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
Both teams have bad GMs who made bad coaching hires and some major misses in free agency. At least Mara and Tisch are not clowns and care about their team. They may not know what to do to fix it, but lack of interest is not the problem.
so you want dolan more involved? do you really think dolan doesnt care? you think he was spending all that money on the team and doesnt care?
Dolan is a bad owner because he trusts and hires the wrong people..
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
RE: RE: RE: Who on this roster should be running/scoring off of cuts? Â
Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
I'm not saying that the offense should be built on cutting to the basket. I'm saying that the stat is reflective of a general lack of motion in the offense. The Iso "hero ball" that Fiz seems to like to run with Morris and Randle and even RJ. The knicks do very little to put pressure on the defense at all. There are cuts that can be made off a PnR early in a possession that would make it harder for the defense to settle in. Instead, Morris or Randle dribble for a few seconds way past the 3pt line before a ball screen comes and then we're on our way to a switch that becomes an iso or a bad shot off the dribble. There is no motion or organization to the offense. The point is not that these guys have foot speed to outrun defenders to the basket. The point is that players moving and cutting, even with slower footspeed puts pressure on the defense to stay organized while also following these players around.
Lastly, if Randle, Portis and Morris don't have movement skills (I agree with this completely) then Fiz shouldn't play all three at the same time. Work in Dot, Trier and Knox with just two of those three at any time.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
this take is....something.
Please give us more of your insights! Can't wait to hear what else you got!
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
what am i underselling? besides those 10 games his 3rd year, he is an ineffecient scorer, and cant rebound, and he is an awful defender besides shot blocking..
He will have games where he looks dominant but it is few and far between..even the vame against the knicks, when it mattered most he was 1-5...
Whatever, man. The trade was a stroke of genius and we're clearly much better off without him.
did i fucking say that? where did i say it was a good trade? i simply stating that kp is not a superstar yet that everyone claims.., he is a good player that is a 2 or 3 on a good team...
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Kristaps Porzingis is the only player in the NBA this season attempting more than 15 FG's per game, yet shooting 40% or worse from the floor and below 70% from the FT stripe.
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The Mavs are scoring 101.2 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis ON the floor this season.
The Mavs are scoring 125.7 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis OFF the court this season.
KP'S Net Rating (minus-8.3) is the worst on the team.
So we're back to talking about his first nine games Â
You don't actually believe that right? He's not Gobert but he's an above average to good defender and provides great rim protection. An awful defender is Randle and Bobby Portis.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
RE: Also, I have no idea what Melo has to do with anything Â
You don't actually believe that right? He's not Gobert but he's an above average to good defender and provides great rim protection. An awful defender is Randle and Bobby Portis.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
KP is a fantastic shot blocker but his defensive awareness is not very good, he is not a good 1 on 1 defender, gets lost in space and has slow feet..
And i am not framing anything i said the same thing when he was a knick as i am sayong now
could end up the next Greg Kite and it doesn't change the fact that multiple regimes at MSG botched nearly every single thing related to him since the day he was drafted. If a few random lousy stats one month into his comeback make you feel better about how the team handled his time here, then have at it. But that doesn't change the fact that we've had morons running this team for quite some time.
just for the record i never once said it was a good trade Â
We all know he is a talented player, and does a lot of things on the court that very few guys in the league can do. He wasn't nicknamed the "Unicorn" by accident.
But the most important stat for him is that for his CAREER he has played a total of 1 game in the month of April. Durability is the question for him, not talent.
Are you fucking serious? This fucking team? This poorly-constructed mishmash of shit as a contender? Holy shit. I really hope we don't do something stupid and start buying and believing we have a chance to win...
One day the Knicks might realize that in an era clearly defined as the era of great lead or great point guards, the Knicks won’t compete unless they have one of the 20 or so excellent PGs currently tearing shit up. We have hot garbage at the PG spot unless you think Frankie smokes and his one good game a month is enough to mitigate these issues.
I hate sports.
oh its coming, with jeff van gundy president
Isola reported that Mills is on the hot seat too and Dolan is planning on making a big run at Ujiri this summer.
Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
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Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
you are right...
Also, the constant line-up switches is ridiculous.
Fizdale is over his head and needs to go.
You mean Joerger?
There are a few other names out there as well: Stan Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Kevin McHale, Thibs...
The guy built a mismanaged roster and signed a bunch of guys who only care about padding their own stats since they are on short term deals playing for their next contract They are also getting in the way of the young guys developing properly since they are ball stoppers and dont move the ball .
Instead of collecting assets and trading for bad contracts like smart organizations with picks attached they went for another short term fix using cap space on 4 PF and vets who only care about $$$. They cant get mills out of here quick enough
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Should the Knicks eventually move on from Fizdale, there are in-house options -- Keith Smart has been a head coach, Kaleb Canales was an interim coach in Portland -- but the name to be watched is Mark Jackson. He was a pre-Fiz candidate and a favorite of GM Scott Perry.
Again, as with our football team, the fish rots from the head.
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Should the Knicks eventually move on from Fizdale, there are in-house options -- Keith Smart has been a head coach, Kaleb Canales was an interim coach in Portland -- but the name to be watched is Mark Jackson. He was a pre-Fiz candidate and a favorite of GM Scott Perry.
They are going to keep perry and mills and give them a chance to sign another HC ? and they are going to potentially bring in mark jackson ??? HOLY FUCK
Fans need to bring back the protesting outside the garden that was starting to happen before dolan signed phil
But I’m sure they’ll handle it terribly, and fuck up a new hire too...because, Knicks
Another pacers win and 19/8/6 from Brogdon. Funny how the Knicks spent 70 million and had no interest in this guy. I’m not saying he’s perfect or would solve everything, but he would help. And he actually wins and defends- not just talk about it like Randle and Portis.
Bingo. And Fizdale has a lot of friends around the league and in the media. He won’t go down without swinging. This needs a full housecleaning. I wish they lost that Dallas game because that might have been on the table.
Still think he got a raw deal in G.S.
Curry loved him as a coach.
He needs to be gone. I'd rather get rid of Mills than Fizdale, but both should go.
You’re assuming some anonymous stories bashing Fizdale don’t start to leak out...so Dolan and company can spin the narrative their way.
Shoot I half expect it to get leaked that Fizdale has a drinking problem
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this is shaping up super well for Fiz. Mills just assumed all of the heat and Fiz about to go full martyr. The narrative will all be slamming the front office and Fizdale will be painted as the scapegoat.
You’re assuming some anonymous stories bashing Fizdale don’t start to leak out...so Dolan and company can spin the narrative their way.
Shoot I half expect it to get leaked that Fizdale has a drinking problem
who in the media is friendly with dolan? no one is going to write a story to help dolan
So George Karl?
hahaha you think the dailynews is going to help dolan?
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Hire Dave Jaeger. Please.
You mean Joerger?
There are a few other names out there as well: Stan Van Gundy, Mark Jackson, Kevin McHale, Thibs...
Bring in Jackson for the season see how he does then decide if you want to go another direction in the offseason. Pretty clear Fiz isnt getting it done.
You wanna make it really interesting? Let JVG and Jackson co-coach.
Would you rather Stan Van Gundy? Thibs is too defense with no offensive clue for my liking.
A hockey coach maybe, or weight lifting.
Someone with no empathy.
This is going to be a bloodbath
Ive been saying this for years. I really enjoyed the 2013 team even though I knew they weren't winning the title. Imagine if the Knicks were in the Blazers situation right now? We would love that team.
It's not hard to build a playoff team in the NBA. It's just hard for the Knicks and Steve Mills and Scott Perry. It is hard to build a championship team.
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"competing for a championship" lol. Just be a damn team that doesn't look like a total mess on the court and absolute shitshow behind the scenes.
Ive been saying this for years. I really enjoyed the 2013 team even though I knew they weren't winning the title. Imagine if the Knicks were in the Blazers situation right now? We would love that team.
It's not hard to build a playoff team in the NBA. It's just hard for the Knicks and Steve Mills and Scott Perry. It is hard to build a championship team.
yup the hardest part is making that jump from good to great team..
knicks cant even go from bad to mediocre
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According to NBA/Synergy playtype data, the Knicks rank dead last in the league, by a wide margin, in points scored off cuts.
New York is running cutting action on just 3.6% of their offensive plays, and averaging just 4.6 points per game off cuts this season
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Knicks are also near the very bottom of the league in frequency (15.4%) and points scored (13.8 ppg) off pick-and-roll action.
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New York is in the top-10 in Isolation frequency, but they rank 29th in the NBA in points per ISO possessions — scoring just 0.75 points per ISO possession.
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Knicks are currently top-5 in post-up frequency, but one of only nine teams in the league scoring less than 0.8 points per post-up possession.
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Only 4 teams run more post-ups than NY:
Sixers (Embiid), Lakers (AD), Spurs (Aldridge) and Nuggets (Jokic).
There are only 19 players in the NBA that have post-up frequency greater than 15%.
Three of those 19 players are Knicks: Julius Randle, Bobby Portis and Marcus Morris
If they gave assets too, it might be worth it to eat Paul's contract and let him be the best player on this team for a while.
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that the knicks keep pace meaning like 2 or 3 games back of 8th and perry and mills trade their expirings and a pick for chris paul
If they gave assets too, it might be worth it to eat Paul's contract and let him be the best player on this team for a while.
if okc gives me 2 firsts i would abaolutely do it
Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Knocks could wipe away all of their cap and clean their books if they wanted to
Yet Mills has survived in the shadows, distancing himself from one bad maneuver after another. He was the firestarter promoted to firefighter, equipped only with James Dolan’s trust and buzzwords like “culture” and “changing the perception.” Mills’ latest survival tactic was an impromptu press conference on Sunday night, when the Princeton grad declared himself and GM Scott Perry “not happy with where we are right now. We think the team is not performing to the level that we anticipated or we expected to perform at.”
In other words, Mills believes he did a fine job in free agency (he called it “successful” before the season) despite striking out on all his top targets. ESPN reported Monday that Mills has been laying the groundwork for the “eventual dismissal” of Fizdale. That would represent the fifth coach fired with Mills as either GM or team president.
He’s great at finding fall guys.
“I got a two-and-a-half year contract,” Fizdale responded Monday when asked if he’s received any assurances concerning his job. “That’s my assurance. That’s my business. The assurance is that I have a contract.”
Mills declined comment Monday.
To be clear, Fizdale has done a poor job as Knicks coach and deserves criticism for, among other things, failing to establish an identity. But firing the coach would be a band-aid on a bazooka wound. Fizdale isn’t the root of the problem.
There are precisely zero other NBA teams that would hire Mills to be its president of basketball operations. His work as an executive and talent evaluator would make David Kahn cringe.
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Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
Do you really think OKC would accept this?
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portis, payton, trier and bullock for paul and 2 firsts...
Do you really think OKC would accept this?
Actually, I don't think either team should accept this.
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portis, payton, trier and bullock for paul and 2 firsts...
Do you really think OKC would accept this?
they completely clear out pauls contract and let sga and schroeder run the point...
they are not getting anything for paul
Sign me up but I think OKC laughs at that.
A good GM could facilitate a 3 way trade with a contender like Milwaukee or Miami but we don’t have a good GM.
It was different for OKC taking on the deal - they were on the hook for Westbrook anyway at a similar number that year and an additional year. But absorbing that deal into what is currently empty cap space? I think I'll pass...
It was different for OKC taking on the deal - they were on the hook for Westbrook anyway at a similar number that year and an additional year. But absorbing that deal into what is currently empty cap space? I think I'll pass...
Good point. Take on Noah’s cap hit and Randles 4 mill guaranteed and your probably looking at over half your cap to players not on the team or that can’t really help.
[quote] i thought it was just dead money
No you can’t.
I could be talked into JVG. But Mark Jackson would be terrible.
That's a bit melodramatic
The whole thing is a joke. As long as we have this buffoon of an owner, nothing will change.
you dont need another guy just taking the money
he said he wa sijterested
I won't judge a man who was grieved enough at the loss of one of his closest friends on 9-11 the he needed to take a break from the intensity of being an NBA coach.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
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Oh, THIS is your limit!? After all the shit we've been through, this is your line in the sand!? Admit it, you're staying on the sinking ship just like the rest of us.
you are right...
I’ll be there too. I’ll be in the band Playing the trombone while the ship goes down...
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
KP on the verge of requiring a max contract for his services was arguably an asset of near zero net value.
The pertinent issue isn't whether he is a "good" player. The issue is whether he was worth a 5 year commitment at #32M per year.
If not, he did not have net value.
And tonight is not just one game. He's shooting not much better than 40% on the season. And he's a slow, lumbering guy in a game that is trending significantly faster paced.
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And more than once getting beat down the court for easy Boston baskets off missed shots.
Celts win 116-106; Mavs stayed close until late because of Doncic.
Woj's comment that the KP trade was a "devastating" loss for the Knicks is, at best, way premature.
Even if you don’t believe in KP, the return on a player like that is devastating. They gave him away. Not sure how that can debated at this point.
One bad game....
its not one bad game, the mavs are brtter with hjm off the floir according to stats..
he has a good game tgen a bad game..
18 and 7 on 40%
meanwhile randle is 16 and 10 with 3 assists on 44%
Thank God there is at least one person with some common
Sense . I’m
Guessing most of this who want JVG were kids when
He coached
Which isn’t to say he can’t. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
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The fact this guy still has a job, let alone president of the fucking NY Knicks just shows why not just this team, but why our country as a whole sucks.
That's a bit melodramatic
You are correct, was caught up in my feelings.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
so you want dolan more involved? do you really think dolan doesnt care? you think he was spending all that money on the team and doesnt care?
Dolan is a bad owner because he trusts and hires the wrong people..
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
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Any player can score off a cut. It's indicative of the general lack of motion in the offense completely. The stats show what the eye test shows. This offense is predicated on standing around and watching someone try to score. Melo would have fucking loved it.
Players can't cut into a pile of bodies. When there's no respect for the shooters, there isn't going to be the necessary spacing to allow for cuts. Guys like Randle, Portis, and Morris don't really have movement skills and RJ's shooting issues are going to keep people from overextending the defense to chase him around. I know what one would want the offense to look like, but that's not necessarily the best fit for the players the Knicks have.
I'm not saying that the offense should be built on cutting to the basket. I'm saying that the stat is reflective of a general lack of motion in the offense. The Iso "hero ball" that Fiz seems to like to run with Morris and Randle and even RJ. The knicks do very little to put pressure on the defense at all. There are cuts that can be made off a PnR early in a possession that would make it harder for the defense to settle in. Instead, Morris or Randle dribble for a few seconds way past the 3pt line before a ball screen comes and then we're on our way to a switch that becomes an iso or a bad shot off the dribble. There is no motion or organization to the offense. The point is not that these guys have foot speed to outrun defenders to the basket. The point is that players moving and cutting, even with slower footspeed puts pressure on the defense to stay organized while also following these players around.
Lastly, if Randle, Portis and Morris don't have movement skills (I agree with this completely) then Fiz shouldn't play all three at the same time. Work in Dot, Trier and Knox with just two of those three at any time.
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
this take is....something.
Please give us more of your insights! Can't wait to hear what else you got!
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
Between the inefficiency from the field, the injuries and the poor rebounding, I don't think he'll ever be a top 30 player in the league.
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If you think he had net negative trade value and is a slow lumbering big man that doesn’t fit today’s game, we will have to simply disagree.
And comparing him to Julius Randle? Cite all the offensive stats you want, the other side of the ball matters. One player is a elite rim protector and the other is an awful defender. And I’ll take KPs offensive game over Randle all day.
He’s 10 games into a season with a new team after missing 1.5 seasons with an ACL injury. I wouldn’t give much credence to those stats just yet.
Bottom line is they got nothing for a player who can shoot 3s and protect the rim- both at very good levels. Do you know how hard this is to find?
KP is an awful defender, he can block shots but he is horrible defensively...
And it is hard to find a guy who can shoot the 3 and block shots?
Brooke Lopez does the same thing KP does for a 1/3 of the price..
Plus KP for a 7'3 guy is a horrible rebounder
Agree about the rebounding but disagree about everything else. You are underselling KP big time.
Whatever after Thursday hopefully everyone moves on. I just want Mills and Perry gone. I finally watched that whole press conference and it was truly unbelievable. How could anyone trust those 2? And why do the Knicks have to have some bizarre partnership? One person needs to be in charge but Mills loves ducking blame.
what am i underselling? besides those 10 games his 3rd year, he is an ineffecient scorer, and cant rebound, and he is an awful defender besides shot blocking..
He will have games where he looks dominant but it is few and far between..even the vame against the knicks, when it mattered most he was 1-5...
You're shading things to fit what you want to believe about him and exaggerating his negatives quite a bit.
You're shading things to fit what you want to believe about him and exaggerating his negatives quite a bit.
he shot 44% in his 3rd year before he got hurt, how is that effecient?
did i fucking say that? where did i say it was a good trade? i simply stating that kp is not a superstar yet that everyone claims.., he is a good player that is a 2 or 3 on a good team...
I said the same thing when he was knick to...
Was Carmelo an effecient scorer on the Knicks?
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Kristaps Porzingis is the only player in the NBA this season attempting more than 15 FG's per game, yet shooting 40% or worse from the floor and below 70% from the FT stripe.
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The Mavs are scoring 101.2 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis ON the floor this season.
The Mavs are scoring 125.7 points per 100 possessions with Porzingis OFF the court this season.
KP'S Net Rating (minus-8.3) is the worst on the team.
you didnt answer the question, was melo effecient as a knick?
I disagree. I'd rather he play well and rub Dolan's fat fucking face in it.
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
well you said kp was efrecient because of his per of 20.5
so i was just wondering what you thought of melo who had a 21.5 per in 7 seasons with the knicks...
Just wondering who was the chucker and who was effecient?
And KP was averaging 23 points on 40/44/80 shooting in 48 games in 2017/2018. 18.5 FGA/ 4.5 3PA/ 4.5 FTA. How is that inefficient? Not to mention with Hardaway as his 2nd scorer and no point guard.
I know people want to frame this trade favorably for the Knicks but some of these arguments are absurd. Why do you think some of the smartest teams in the league wanted him?
Let me put it another way. If we offered Dallas there 2 picks back and DSJ, they would laugh the Knicks off the phone.
KP is a fantastic shot blocker but his defensive awareness is not very good, he is not a good 1 on 1 defender, gets lost in space and has slow feet..
And i am not framing anything i said the same thing when he was a knick as i am sayong now
But the most important stat for him is that for his CAREER he has played a total of 1 game in the month of April. Durability is the question for him, not talent.