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A 3/4 vs. 4/3

Archer : 11/11/2019 12:24 pm
I researching a 4/3 vs. 3/4 defense I found an interesting commentary that made me think;
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"In a 4-3 defense, pressure is mainly created from the front four. One tackle occupies two blockers, and the rest of the line get one-on-one match-ups. Linebackers do their fair share of blitzing, but their main responsibility is stopping the run and guarding against the pass."

"In a 3-4 defense, the pressure is mainly created from the backers. The job of the defensive line is to occupy gaps, and occupy multiple offensive linemen. The outside linebackers in a 3-4 have a much greater pass rushing responsibility, and the fact that there are two middle linebackers allows for a lot of creative blitzes and coverages."


Why do the Giants employ a base 3/4?

Based upon the players they have it seems they are better suited to a 4/3. I know that the Giants use a 4/3, but it is occasionally. The 4/3 is less exotic but it allows the DL to attack and to play more physical.

The Giants do not have (4) play making linebackers. And the linebackers don't seem to be able to stop the run.

In looking at advanced matrix it appears that the 4/3 is generally better against the rush, while the 3/4 is marginally better against pass.

I would like to see a base DL with
Lawrence- Tomlinson - Hill - Williams liemen.
Golden - Mayo / Ogeltree - Carter as linebackers.

The Giants did well against the Jets anemic running attach but against good running teams they look lost.


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You're suggesting a 4-3 with four DTs and no real DEs  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/11/2019 12:29 pm : link
That's not going to help the pass rush situation at all.

I mentioned this on another thread about the defensive front, but the reality is, switching to a 4-3 would more than likely result in MORE of our mediocre LBs on the field, not less. Chances are, the DE positions would be occupied at least in part by our current OLBs, and then we'd still put 3 traditional LBs out there in the base defense.

Our personnel is at least nominally more suited to a 3-4 right now, but we lack the talent to make it go. We also lack the talent to make the 4-3 work, and it would probably be even worse right now.
Draft Young  
nyballa0891 : 11/11/2019 12:30 pm : link
and sign ngakoue or barrett.. problem solved.
Well  
idiotsavant : 11/11/2019 12:32 pm : link
The 2-4-5 does suck.

We have at least 3 decent to better big DTs.

They can all (3)be out there at the same time. Be that a 4/3 with Dex on one end and Golden the other:

Dex,Williams,Tomlinson,Golden

(Carter set back)

Or a 5 look ""

Carter,Dex,Thomas, Williams,Golden

With 6 dbs

But to out only 2 true DL out there with these current lbs...i mean, it sucked less badly than it could have, which is amazing. But...ask the cowboys RB how he likes the 2-4-5...
It's funny. When we had a 4-3 seemed as though many on  
Blue21 : 11/11/2019 12:33 pm : link
here thought we should go to a 3-4.
RE: Draft Young  
Toth029 : 11/11/2019 12:33 pm : link
In comment 14675394 nyballa0891 said:
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and sign ngakoue or barrett.. problem solved.

I'd re-sign Golden than pay big money to Barrett.
Formatting . In line I mean  
idiotsavant : 11/11/2019 12:33 pm : link
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RE: It's funny. When we had a 4-3 seemed as though many on  
Platos : 11/11/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14675405 Blue21 said:
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here thought we should go to a 3-4.


for YEARS. back then we had the DE's to run 4-3 no problem. now we don't.

we've never had a great linebacker corp will to sam.
That is an antiquated summary of  
robbieballs2003 : 11/11/2019 12:37 pm : link
most 3-4 defense today.
RE: It's funny. When we had a 4-3 seemed as though many on  
BillT : 11/11/2019 12:37 pm : link
In comment 14675405 Blue21 said:
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here thought we should go to a 3-4.

That was an almost every day occurrence here. Now, folks want to switch back. Too much.
Are we even 3-4?  
penkap75 : 11/11/2019 12:47 pm : link
Seems like the base D is 2 DL and Edge rushers, and we get run over pretty easy.
I think a lot of the  
phil in arizona : 11/11/2019 12:47 pm : link
3-4 talk was because our best pass rusher at the time, OV, had his best years on the edge in that scheme and we had an incredible NT in Snacks.

I thought switching to a 3-4 while simultaneously trying to 'fix the offense' was a huge mistake. I liked some of the DG picks, but his resource management has been horrible.
Dexter Lawrence isn't really a 4-3 end.  
81_Great_Dane : 11/11/2019 12:58 pm : link
But he could play DT in a 4-3 and line up at end in run-stopping situations. I don't think the Giants really have anybody well-suited to 4-3 DE right now. Maybe Golden, I guess? I doubt Carter and Ximenes would be effective with their hand in the dirt.
our defense could not stop  
mdc1 : 11/11/2019 1:09 pm : link
anybody in either system. choose one and fix it.
Williams  
Archer : 11/11/2019 2:32 pm : link
Williams is best suited as a 4/3 end
If the Giants do resign him then you would want him to be in the best possible position to succeed

I would draft Young or Espanza they are 4 / 3 ends
They do not have the LBs  
JonC : 11/11/2019 2:33 pm : link
but the DL is almost entirely best suited to a 3-4.
Conversely  
JonC : 11/11/2019 2:35 pm : link
you don't want Ximines, Golden, or insert OLB they have trying to play OLB in a 4-3. 4-3 is about covering ground with speed, our OLBs are built to play downhill, not laterally.

Cmon' man.
RE: Williams  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/11/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14675753 Archer said:
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Williams is best suited as a 4/3 end
If the Giants do resign him then you would want him to be in the best possible position to succeed

I would draft Young or Espanza they are 4 / 3 ends

What are you basing your hypothesis that LW is best suited as a 4-3 DE? Because you want him to be?

He fits the archetype of a 3-4 DE perfectly.
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