One tackle, 2 assists, no sacks yesterday. I know it's only been 2 games, and I suppose he helped add to the run stuffing yesterday by the DL, but can someone please tell me what is so special about this guy that Gettleman just had to have him in the middle of a losing season? The Jets sure didn't seem to miss him yesterday.
Much better than BJ Hill.
Now we'll have to see if they re-sign him before he hits the open market, which would be another reason to deal for him in season.
The Giants D-line is pretty solid now but they don't have an impact pass rusher. Golden's ok, but he's not enough.j
How do you know he's here next year? He is free to sign with anyone next year.
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constant pressure yesterday and you dont think hes doing anything?! Its nice to not have to worry about our Dline this off-season. LBers are the critical component of a 3-4 Base D and we need to invest moreso now in that unit.
How do you know he's here next year? He is free to sign with anyone next year.
Until March, he can only sign with the Giants.
right you are!
👆🏻This...very unlikely any 3rd pick will be better 👆🏻
The Giants D-line is pretty solid now but they don't have an impact pass rusher. Golden's ok, but he's not enough.j
Good value to use a high 3rd and 4th to sign a free agent a big $ ?
Being the best player on this defense isn't exactly saying much.
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But he's arguably the best player on this D already and if you watched yesterday's game and weren't impressed by him, then I'm not sure what you were watching. 4 QBHits, drew a penalty and was stout against the run.
Being the best player on this defense isn't exactly saying much.
Agreed. But for a 34 defense, a DL built around Williams, Tomlinson, and Lawrence with Hill keeping them fresh and providing depth is a solid core. And all <25 so once Williams is locked up, they'll have something to build around.
Hopefully Beal, Baker, and Ballentine can develop into quality CBs.
Then they'll just need 4 LBs and a FS going forward (Carter's looking more like good depth and Golden's a UFA).
Williams 78.6 pass-rush grade is his best game grade since week 10 of 2017
I've seen this before with Vernon... lots of pressure and hurries but little to show for in the stat columns for sacks (Vernon was a guy that never got hurt also until he put on blue).
I like a strong DL and what we were building towards. I know Williams is going to be better than any 3rd round pick but we need those picks for depth. In the end, having Williams hasn't changed our trajectory and there is still no guarantee he resigns.
The line is missing a game-changer. I hope Lawrence can turn into that but what we have on tape with Willams tells us that he's good but can't change a game by himself. I'm under no illusions that LT is walking through the door but nice pieces aren't going to get this defense fixed.
PFF Williams 78.6 pass rush grade is his best game grade since week 10 of 2017 - ( New Window )
Sure. He doesnt warrant 6th pick in draft
But thats not on us
If he is solid with some additional upside and u can sign him to a reasonable extension then do it
He is still young. Been healthy etc
3rd and maybe 4th rd pick? Rounds are a crapshoot anyway
Better than trading that instead of a 29 yr old who peaked and may be on downside
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Leonard Williams did not have a box score performance but he graded at an elite 90 overall with 6 total pressures against his former team.
Williams 78.6 pass-rush grade is his best game grade since week 10 of 2017
I've seen this before with Vernon... lots of pressure and hurries but little to show for in the stat columns for sacks (Vernon was a guy that never got hurt also until he put on blue).
I like a strong DL and what we were building towards. I know Williams is going to be better than any 3rd round pick but we need those picks for depth. In the end, having Williams hasn't changed our trajectory and there is still no guarantee he resigns.
The line is missing a game-changer. I hope Lawrence can turn into that but what we have on tape with Willams tells us that he's good but can't change a game by himself. I'm under no illusions that LT is walking through the door but nice pieces aren't going to get this defense fixed. PFF Williams 78.6 pass rush grade is his best game grade since week 10 of 2017 - ( New Window )
I think the "front 7" is missing that game changer and more specifically we need an elite (or even great) edge rusher at OLB. Golden would be great as your #2 rusher, but they need someone at least as good, if not a notch better opposite him. That combined with Williams/Lawrence collapsing the middle would be formidable.
Basically a guy like Za'Darius Smith.
You're not getting a gamebreaker for a 3rd and 5th though. And the odds of getting a player like that in the 3rd is <1%.
Williams is a legit building block though and the Giants D needs good-to-great players to build around.
I tend to give a lot of points to QB pressures/hurry ups.
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or game-changer. He's not going to take over a game. And that's exactly the kind of guy this defense is missing right now. I think that's part of what makes people scratch their head with this trade. We need that one gamebreaker on the DL, and Williams isn't that.
You're not getting a gamebreaker for a 3rd and 5th though. And the odds of getting a player like that in the 3rd is <1%.
Williams is a legit building block though and the Giants D needs good-to-great players to build around.
An early 3rd round draft pick on a team that has a ton of holes is something I find valuable.
A complementary player who they locked themselves into paying a lot of money to.
This. He pressured Darnold all day.
A complementary player who they locked themselves into paying a lot of money to.
It is clearly not the same situation as Vernon. Vernon is an edge rusher, Williams got just as much pressure as vernons best game from the 3 technique position. I dont know if you realize how much of a luxury that is in the NFL. Once we get a valid edge rusher on this team it is lights out for this defense. Were doing it the right way on defense, set up your interior rush first and then get your edge, just like the current 49ers with deforest Buckner and the late 49ers with Justin Smith. Our last three technique with this kind of pass rushing ability was Fred Robbins. The D isnt finished being built and all I can do is hope we finish the process.
They are going to have to shell out $15M+ for a player who is good, but inconsistent, and for a position where we already have solid quality...and cheap.
I like the Williams, but the LAST thing we should be doing this year was buying at the trade deadline instead of selling...
They are going to have to shell out $15M+ for a player who is good, but inconsistent, and for a position where we already have solid quality...and cheap.
I like the Williams, but the LAST thing we should be doing this year was buying at the trade deadline instead of selling...
I see what ur saying but lets say we do give him 15 mil a year, let Golden walk and possibly get a 3 for him, and have chase young for 7 mil a year. Thats 25 mil for a top pass rush unit in the NFL for the next 4 years. We can sign an ilb like Schobert, a fs like Justin Simmons, let Jenkins and ogletree go and still be waaaay under the cap. Its not dreaming its actually somewhat of a reality
Williams applied a lot of pressure yesterday - failure to contain and getting out of pass rushing lanes cost them big time.
In fact, David Diehl asked why they didn't try to trade for and edge rusher - maybe someone like Bud Dupree - fills a bigger need and less expensive
To fill the position it's effectively taking 2 3rds, a 4th, and a top end contract.
I know it seems ridiculous but that is the only reason that makes sense of trading for him rather than simply signing him as a free agent. DG was trying to turn it around this season
Williams did all of this.