Chase Young or an OT in the 2020 Draft?

But betch doesn't seem nearly as intransigent as the shurm when it comes to system.

Worried about the rookie dbacks being dumb and the dbacks coaching broadly sucking, but ok.

So, after 20 years of chanting "OL in rounds 1,2,3" at this point I'd be reluctant to invest heavily in this offense as currently run


So, a great defender or trade down and draft mainly defense

Put Chase Young on the edge and we might have 1 of the best (young) defensive lines in Football.

And besides ER is a definite need.

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This defense needs a Nick Bosa or Chubb or Jamal Adams or Khalil Mack, a player that can take over a game and/or scare opponents. If Chase Young is that kind of player, get him.

In comment 14675712 Giantz_comeback said:

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In comment 14675646 V.I.G. said: Quote: -we go for the pro bowl LT --If only one is pro bowl caliber, you go with that player ---if neither is, you trade back Who would you rather have Lawrence Taylor or Jumbo Elliott? Both are pro bowl players. Point is Chase may be more than just an 'average' pro bowl player. He looks unstoppable at times.

fair enough but predicting the next LT is expecting a lot, no? I've only watched some youtube highlights of the kid. Seems like a great player but i don't see that LT, von miller kinda burst.

For a QB desperate team.

Anyone else passing on Young would be borderline criminal

In comment 14675741 V.I.G. said:

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In comment 14675712 Giantz_comeback said: Quote: In comment 14675646 V.I.G. said: Quote: -we go for the pro bowl LT --If only one is pro bowl caliber, you go with that player ---if neither is, you trade back Who would you rather have Lawrence Taylor or Jumbo Elliott? Both are pro bowl players. Point is Chase may be more than just an 'average' pro bowl player. He looks unstoppable at times. fair enough but predicting the next LT is expecting a lot, no? I've only watched some youtube highlights of the kid. Seems like a great player but i don't see that LT, von miller kinda burst.

The point of the comparison was both players can be pro bowlers but still one can be a moderately or significantly better player than the other. Not calling Young LT ...no way...but he is a rare pass rusher and maybe the best to come out in a few years.

Think of it this way as bad as this team and it's OL is with Backups in 3 spots they put up 27 points. The Defense is the more immediate problem. We have the least amount of capital of any team invested on that side of the ball.

No one on here can tell me that they think the D is coming off the field when they have team third and long. We are all looking for the TE or Slot guy over the middle or worse of all defensive holding on the opposite side of the field.
The 2nd rounder should go to Oline but we need a player like Chase Young.

If he's not there then, by all means, draft a LT that will play RT as they sit behind the second-highest-paid offensive lineman in the league.

In comment 14675714 BSIMatt said:

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Imo.

Take Chase and either trade up or take top OL round 2. Use FA to get another OL, CB and WR.

Chase Young is a hands down no brainer and a virtual "can't miss".

Boy o boy do we need offensive linemen though. And it has been my own experience over the years of watching first round OT/OGs get drafted, a whole bunch of them never pan out. No greater crap shoot than OLmen IMO - the number of washouts are mind numbing.

Once in awhile there's a home run hit (Zack Martin, Jack Conklin, etc.), but I see more Flowers, Gallery, Dillard, Bolles (not awful, but not great for the first OLmen taken in round 1 - and not nearly as good as Ramczyk taken later), etc. Anyway, drafting OT or OG in first round is never a sure bet. It comes with high risk.

Chase Young is no-risk, high-reward, selection. If we do go offesive linemen early, I hope the player comes off the Wisconsin team as they produce quality OLmen year after year and could be called "Offensive Linemen University". The wonderlic score is a big measuring stick when it comes to OL players. It's a cerebral position where intelligence is paramount to success.

My bet is though, that one of the QB needy teams will make a ridiculous offer that could be hard to turn down for our juicy pick spot. Who knows???

Good defenses need weapons as much or more than offenses. It's the defensive era of the big play. The rules favor the offense moving the ball and scoring. You counter that with momentum changing plays on defense. We have some good young pieces but there is no threat. Our opponents have noone to worry about.

So that would be Young regardless of who else is on the board.

and you don't look back.

Giants D has sucked longer than the O. Plus Young is a blue chip prospect. Giants need a gamechanger on defense, they have no one right now.

Get Young. Hope Lawrence develops into a force. Williams. We may have something.

With 13.5 sacks and 5 FF this year at OSU. If Giants get chance to grab him he could be a nightmare for Dak and Wentz for years to come. Only problem is that Deadskins might grab him first.

I’ll tell you who to pick

I'm against taking a OT if there is a better Edge there because I'm sick of wasting 1st round picks on OT who don't pan out (see pugh, see flowers). We've missed on a couple of 1st round CB's too but we are desperate for an edge rusher and I think you need more quantity on OL. We need some kick ass on Defense. We put up 27 points yesterday with 3 back ups. We cant stop shit. lets get an edge.

If the Bengals get the first pick, are they likely to choose a quarterback? They certainly need one. It's been assumed also that the Dolphins would also go quarterback with their first pick.

and evaluate players entering the draft, a process that should have happened after last year's draft, this is a pointless thread.

Chase Young, and it's not close...

In comment 14675633 JonC said:

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unless the LT is clearly the BPA. You can manufacture the OL in the remaining rounds. There's also UFA to consider.

+1

To get OL help in the draft.

Chase Young appears to be a special player. A real difference maker. A little like drafting LT when the Giants already had a bunch of excellent LBs. Except in this case, the Giants don't really have a decent ER...

If the Giants can get him, draft Young.

But if the Giants can't get Young, getting Andrew Thomas is still a pretty awesome pick.

I am not certain that Thomas will be the top rated OT at draft time
Wiirf has special talent he has great movement skills and looks like a natural LT
He also comes from a pro style offense where he plays with his hand on the ground

Cannot see how they pass on him. You are probably never going to have 2-3 great edge rushers. But, if you can get ONE that teams have to scheme for - opens up things for other players. Get Connelly back, and maybe Carter, XMan, and Skipper can develop between now and next season. And, Golden will hopefully be back as well.

that Gettleman thinks CeeDee Lamb was touched by the hand of god.

Offense won't have to put up 30+ points a game plus the defense may just be watchable

In comment 14676067 Josh in the City said:
[quote] that Gettleman thinks CeeDee Lamb was touched by the hand of god. [/quote Well he better slap that hand away. We pick Thomas/Young or trade down if possible.

Pass rushers, big play linebackers. A WR.

So many positions ignored

Anyone that disagrees, should look up his game tape against Wisconsin (who are known for having solid oline play). I’d also like to see the Giants take Biadasz in the 2nd prob 50-50 chance he makes it that far though.

Andrew Thomas if he’s not there. There seems to be more edge in fa than tackles. Clooney comes to mind and they seem to be the same type of player. Hope Tyler Biadasz drops to 2nd.

There are some good linebackers available in fa. I would sign Joe Schobert and/or Shaq Thompson for the middle. Sign Conklin for RT.

so take this for what it's worth. I'm a little concerned about Thomas' feet against NFL speed rushers.

you take him and don't look back. in fact, I wish matt gay hit that stupid FG in hindsight, so we'd have an inside track to it

I don’t think he has LT feet for the NFL. I think if he has to play out on an island he’ll get exposed in pass pro at the NFL level.

Young over Thomas is a no brainer for me. Elite ER’s are hard to find and rarely hit FA.

A trade down scenario would be very intriguing. It would really depend on what you think Young is worth because that’s what you’d be losing out on trading down even if the other team is trading up for a QB.

is available when the Giants pick, they absolutely have to take him.

If Gettleman can take a running back #2 because he's the "best player in the draft" then he better fucking take without question the best player in the draft at DE.

chance to draft Chase Young and for some reason we don’t that might be my breaking point.

Consider trade a trade down if he is gone. Cluster draft OLK. Get a free safety and an inside LB.

In comment 14675646 V.I.G. said:

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-we go for the pro bowl LT --If only one is pro bowl caliber, you go with that player ---if neither is, you trade back

Or you take the BPA with that pick. Need ILB and FS too.

In comment 14675639 Anakim said:

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Greg Robinson, Luke Joeckel, Matt Kalil, Robert Gallery Take the BPA. Don't overthink it. Everyone and their mother knows we need a LT, but don't force the issue. Always take the best player available.

Including RBs?

is bullshit. Take the BPA from a group of positions. Betting on a player to be an exception to what we've seen with running backs for the last decade plus is asinine.

The Giants didn't even take BPA in the 2018 draft. Quenton Nelson was the BPA.

worthy of top 5 yet.

Young is the better prospect obviously, but I think Wirfs could be a very good LT.

In comment 14676469 MookGiants said:

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is bullshit. Take the BPA from a group of positions. Betting on a player to be an exception to what we've seen with running backs for the last decade plus is asinine. The Giants didn't even take BPA in the 2018 draft. Quenton Nelson was the BPA.

Totally agree. BPA is joke. Take the best player at a position you need to fill.

I go to the grocery store to get food that I need. I don't stop and go, "Whoa. They just got all of this fresh lobster in from Maine. I'll just buy a lot of lobster because it's the best food available!"

Overall I think you try to get a Tackle and a Center in rounds 1 and 2. If no trade down then between rds 1 and 2 and FA you have to come up with two OL. A tackle and a center.

If you get Chase Young then you had better have gotten at least one FA and used the 2nd rd pick for the other OL.

In comment 14676469 MookGiants said:

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is bullshit. Take the BPA from a group of positions. Betting on a player to be an exception to what we've seen with running backs for the last decade plus is asinine. The Giants didn't even take BPA in the 2018 draft. Quenton Nelson was the BPA.

Well yeah. That kind of goes without saying. I mean you're not going to take a fucking PK even if he can kick the ball from end zone to end zone.


And totally disagree. I know you have a Notre Dame bias and nothing against Nelson, but Saquon was the superior prospect. Saquon was unanimously regarded as the best player in the 2018 Draft.

In comment 14676062 Archer said:

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I am not certain that Thomas will be the top rated OT at draft time Wiirf has special talent he has great movement skills and looks like a natural LT He also comes from a pro style offense where he plays with his hand on the ground

I'm not so sure Wirfs declares

In comment 14676557 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14676469 MookGiants said: Quote: is bullshit. Take the BPA from a group of positions. Betting on a player to be an exception to what we've seen with running backs for the last decade plus is asinine. The Giants didn't even take BPA in the 2018 draft. Quenton Nelson was the BPA. Totally agree. BPA is joke. Take the best player at a position you need to fill. I go to the grocery store to get food that I need. I don't stop and go, "Whoa. They just got all of this fresh lobster in from Maine. I'll just buy a lot of lobster because it's the best food available!"

Terrible analogy (no offense) and I couldn't disagree more. You don't take the best player available at a position of need. Sure you give the edge to need over luxury, but all things being equal you take the BPA.

We are very, very likely to get one or the other. We have a near equal need at both, and both are excellent prospects.

I just don't look forward to Gettleman patting himself on the back over the pick either way.

go the grocery store only have 3 dollars and RibEyes are on Sale for a dollar a pound, but you need butter for your Ramen noodles, you forget the fucking butter and buy the Ribeyes even though you didn't need it.

Chase Young is a great player but he does not fit in a 3-4 defense. He's a 4-3 end. If the Giants are going to continue with the 3-4 he's not the best fit. They need to draft Andrew Thomas and start thinking about protecting their two key players (Barclay and Jones) or both will be gone after their rookie contracts.

getting very tired of having this same O line problem year after year and nothing seems to improve and because of this our team is settling in at the bottom of the league and becoming a joke...

In comment 14680536 Jersey55 said:

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getting very tired of having this same O line problem year after year and nothing seems to improve and because of this our team is settling in at the bottom of the league and becoming a joke...

I was thinking about this the other day. Before we had great oline coaches trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit, now we have decent olineman getting fucking worse under that fucking clown Hal Hunter. I'm not going to feel good about this team until we fire the coaches.

Betcher system works but you need smart DBs to run it, DeAndre Baker and Sam Beal are both dim fucking bulbs. Sam Beal declared in the supplemental draft because he failed school. Our GM and coaches aren't on the same page, which is a joke considering DG hand picked these guys. DG seems to be of the thought, I pick the players, you work it out. Which can work if you have innovative coaches which neither PS or Bethcer are. What a clown show this is.