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NFT: MLB Discussion: Should the Angels trade Mike Trout?

pjcas18 : 11/11/2019 3:31 pm
To me this is a legit question though some people find it crazy to even discuss.

Trout is 28 years old, turns 29 net year and has had a torrid 9 year start to his career. One that gets him placed already by some people into where he fits compared to the greatest players of all time (through 9 years of their careers).

However.....

when looking at team building and team results:

a) Trout's teams have made the post-season one time in 9 years and were swept by the Royals

b) Trout hasn't played more than 140 games since 2016

c) Trout is owed over $390M guaranteed through his age 38 season

d) he might be the most valuable single player in MLB history to be traded (if he were traded).

e) the past three seasons, with Trout playing 140 games or less they are on average a sub .500 team.

So, when looking forward instead of backwards, what are the chances the next 9 years are as productive as the past 9?

The Angels got the best (IMO) of Trout's career and trading him this off-season would possibly set the team up for future on-field success better than having him.

I do think Trout draws fans, but at what cost?

Secondly, if you think the Angels should consider trading Trout what would a trade look like?
'some people find it crazy to even discuss.'  
Torrag : 11/11/2019 3:32 pm : link
This.
We didn't sign him to trade him...  
figgy2989 : 11/11/2019 3:36 pm : link
Just making a joke, but you always hear the Angels rumored with some of the bigger names when it comes to Free Agency.

They are supposedly making a big push for Cole. Who knows, but you are right, they have wasted the prime years for Trout at this point.
When they sign Cole,  
section125 : 11/11/2019 3:39 pm : link
all will be fine.
I think it would be easier to discuss if  
ZGiants98 : 11/11/2019 3:44 pm : link
there was even a hint of a rumor of Trout ever being available. But there just isnt. By all accounts, he's off the table.

The Angels arent strapped. They have money to spend and likely want to get good eventually. Failures in doing that or not up to this poiny, they likely still see Trout as the solution to making that happen, rather than not.
The Angels  
pjcas18 : 11/11/2019 3:49 pm : link
have had a top 10 payroll all years of Trout's career except 1.

Most of the years it was top 5-7.

I don't think it's just spending that is holding them back.

not sure what the reason is.

Trout seems like a good guy, and playing for a non-threatening team like the Angels I can want him to succeed without worry, but he needs post-season success (along with sustained greatness) to be truly considered among the all time greats.

Not sure he gets that in LA.

He wouldn't be the first "best player in baseball" to be traded.
he's never prevented them from getting better  
UConn4523 : 11/11/2019 3:55 pm : link
they just haven't. They should have gotten rid of Scioscia years ago but they kept him for some odd reason. If they land Cole they will be in pretty good shape.

I also don't think they care all that much. Having trout makes them money.
I dont think it has anything to do with  
ZGiants98 : 11/11/2019 4:02 pm : link
"Best players" getting traded. Happens pretty regularly in 2019 in pro sports. Just dont think the Angels want to trade him.


Their front office has been terrible in free agency for a decade. They continually make egregious mistakes. Pujols was a nightmare for them but even recently giving out big money to guys like Harvey, Lucroy, etc.

Its been like that for a while.
RE: I dont think it has anything to do with  
Alan in Toledo : 11/11/2019 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14675958 ZGiants98 said:
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"Best players" getting traded. Happens pretty regularly in 2019 in pro sports. Just dont think the Angels want to trade him.


Their front office has been terrible in free agency for a decade. They continually make egregious mistakes. Pujols was a nightmare for them but even recently giving out big money to guys like Harvey, Lucroy, etc.

Its been like that for a while.


Angels did Cardinals a huge favor by their humongous offer to Pujols.
Trout...  
bw in dc : 11/11/2019 4:28 pm : link
puts a lot of asses in seats and helps sell a lot of concessions and merchandise.

So I believe Trout's economic value to Arte Moreno is so significant that trading him would actually take money out of Moreno's deep pockets...
Make them an offer  
Csonka : 11/11/2019 4:43 pm : link
What would the Yankees, say, have to give up to get him?
390 big ones?  
Giant John : 11/11/2019 5:02 pm : link
It is silly to even discuss.
Hes not getting traded  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/11/2019 5:19 pm : link
They just signed him last offseason. The Angels are not the Marlins, they arent cash strapped. Once they get some pitching, the Angels will be fine.
I said should  
pjcas18 : 11/11/2019 5:28 pm : link
they.

why will this year or the next or the next....

be different than the past 9?

they had one division winner.

if you trade Trout, you get a couple MLB ready, high ceiling players, and a few close to the majors high potential prospects and clear money from the payroll to bring in maybe 2 $20M players instead of one almost $40M player.

Just think sometimes it makes sense to trade one horse for a few ponies.

Red Sox are debating this now with Mookie Betts.

It will be interesting to see what the Sox do. Betts is 27, one more year before he hits FA, his value is probably at his peak.

Do they sign him long-term, lock up his 30's or deal him for assets.
More  
DanMetroMan : 11/11/2019 5:39 pm : link
likely the Angels go big and sign Cole and Wheeler. Maybe buy low on Danny Salazar (Callaway)
His deal wouldn't prevent a hefty return...  
Dunedin81 : 11/11/2019 6:01 pm : link
But it's the biggest in baseball. His economic value to the Angels is huge, they're not a small market team, and they have a potential star coming up soon. A trade doesn't really make sense for either the Angels or his potential suitors.
Yes  
Jerry from Maine : 11/11/2019 6:23 pm : link
To the Mets for a bag of baseball's. 😁
RE: Yes  
Jim in Tampa : 11/11/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14676168 Jerry from Maine said:
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To the Mets for a bag of baseball's. 😁

Mets' ownership wouldn't do that deal...because they'd still have to pay Trout's salary.
RE: RE: Yes  
TyreeHelmet : 11/11/2019 10:01 pm : link
In comment 14676236 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 14676168 Jerry from Maine said:


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To the Mets for a bag of baseball's. 😁


Mets' ownership wouldn't do that deal...because they'd still have to pay Trout's salary.


Scary thing is the Mets probably wouldnt even take him for free due to the contract.
To expand on my above...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 9:01 am : link
Trout would still provide a substantial haul, probably an established star, a top prospect, and a variety of assorted pieces. A Yankee package (which wouldn't happen) would probably have to begin with Torres and include 2-3 of their top 5, and I'm still not sure that would be enough. But the difference between that and a Herschel Walker trade is the fact that the contract is basically a market-rate deal. A below-market contract, or a contract that took him through age 35 instead of age 39, would merit a mind-boggling return.
The way he's trending now  
pjcas18 : 11/12/2019 9:24 am : link
wrt games played, I can see that contract becoming a Pujols.

No one can predict health, but these massive contracts always seem to hurt at the end.

At 28, and as an 8fWAR player, the contract is market rate, but at 33 and maybe a declining 4fWAR player it might not be.

It's hard trading superstars, but in the long run, sometimes may be good for the overall future of the team.

Not saying that's the case here, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Even a player like Stanton, whose contract looked fair when it was signed, even being back-loaded. Is it?

Or are fans hoping he opts out?

Not saying i know one way or the other, but Stanton is just 30.

RE: The way he's trending now  
bigbluehoya : 11/12/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14676799 pjcas18 said:
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wrt games played, I can see that contract becoming a Pujols.

No one can predict health, but these massive contracts always seem to hurt at the end.

At 28, and as an 8fWAR player, the contract is market rate, but at 33 and maybe a declining 4fWAR player it might not be.

It's hard trading superstars, but in the long run, sometimes may be good for the overall future of the team.

Not saying that's the case here, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Even a player like Stanton, whose contract looked fair when it was signed, even being back-loaded. Is it?

Or are fans hoping he opts out?

Not saying i know one way or the other, but Stanton is just 30.


yes, fans are hoping that Stanton opts out, but he absolutely will not do it.
I go to a decent amount  
BigBluesman : 11/13/2019 6:23 pm : link
of Angels games and to see the "home crowd" he plays for, it is just such a waste and makes me wonder whether a player like him might have any burning desire to play in a real sports town. It's like a long, statistically-padded vacation down there. Maybe Maddon is the X-factor do get some excitement going? Dubious to pin hopes on a manager change.
RE: I go to a decent amount  
BigBlueShock : 11/13/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14679298 BigBluesman said:
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of Angels games and to see the "home crowd" he plays for, it is just such a waste and makes me wonder whether a player like him might have any burning desire to play in a real sports town. It's like a long, statistically-padded vacation down there. Maybe Maddon is the X-factor do get some excitement going? Dubious to pin hopes on a manager change.

Nobody held a gun to his head to sign the extension he just signed. He could have easily hit free agency and likely gotten an even bigger contract. If he was so desperate to win, he had his chance. He decided to stay with that loser franchise. I love Trout, but nobody should be feeling sorry for him anymore. He chose this
they aren't trading Trout  
RasputinPrime : 11/13/2019 7:19 pm : link
they are more likely to go big on Cole this offseason.

Either way, I want to see Trout in October. It's a travesty that the best player of the last decade has been shut out from MLB's biggest stage.
RE: RE: I go to a decent amount  
BigBluesman : 11/13/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14679331 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 14679298 BigBluesman said:


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of Angels games and to see the "home crowd" he plays for, it is just such a waste and makes me wonder whether a player like him might have any burning desire to play in a real sports town. It's like a long, statistically-padded vacation down there. Maybe Maddon is the X-factor do get some excitement going? Dubious to pin hopes on a manager change.


Nobody held a gun to his head to sign the extension he just signed. He could have easily hit free agency and likely gotten an even bigger contract. If he was so desperate to win, he had his chance. He decided to stay with that loser franchise. I love Trout, but nobody should be feeling sorry for him anymore. He chose this

Oh, I agree. It's almost a mark against him for me. Anyway, looking forward to rooting for the Yankees again Memorial Day weekend.
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