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RE: . DanMetroMan : 4:00 pm : link : reply In comment 14677532 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Both citing Jed Lowrie as a reason not to pursue Rendon and then to give a cryptic quote regarding his 2020 health is peak Mets Zack Wheeler's brother "liked" me saying this on twitter... are the Mets being cheap with Zack?

Dan, sort of asshat here, but I know a guy that has said Wheeler wants back with the Mets, and the Mets are negoatiating with him, ,but we'll see what happens, hot market.

Also heard Betances is real possibility

and Betances would be a real nice signing.

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He is a big league CFer.

What would it cost?

In comment 14678402 Chris684 said:

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He is a big league CFer. What would it cost?

Alot

would rather make a play for Manuel Margot

Freddie Gonzalez, Ron Wotus, Jerry Narron for bench coach job.

Outside of bullpen help this is the most critical signing for me.

All candidates look to be great options.

I would prefer Ron Wotus from that list.

In comment 14678402 Chris684 said:

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He is a big league CFer. What would it cost?

Quite a bit. Great contract. His CF metrics are concerning however.

In comment 14677867 CMicks3110 said:

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Quote: RE: . DanMetroMan : 4:00 pm : link : reply In comment 14677532 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Both citing Jed Lowrie as a reason not to pursue Rendon and then to give a cryptic quote regarding his 2020 health is peak Mets Zack Wheeler's brother "liked" me saying this on twitter... are the Mets being cheap with Zack? Dan, sort of asshat here, but I know a guy that has said Wheeler wants back with the Mets, and the Mets are negoatiating with him, ,but we'll see what happens, hot market. Also heard Betances is real possibility

That may be so but his brother "liking" that says something.

In comment 14677867 CMicks3110 said:

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Quote: RE: . DanMetroMan : 4:00 pm : link : reply In comment 14677532 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Both citing Jed Lowrie as a reason not to pursue Rendon and then to give a cryptic quote regarding his 2020 health is peak Mets Zack Wheeler's brother "liked" me saying this on twitter... are the Mets being cheap with Zack? Dan, sort of asshat here, but I know a guy that has said Wheeler wants back with the Mets, and the Mets are negoatiating with him, ,but we'll see what happens, hot market. Also heard Betances is real possibility

CMicks, thanks for sharing the information

centerfielder should be Mookie Betts

hire Kapler

In comment 14677849 Eric on Li said:

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first time manager replacing a first time manager unrealistic expectations on whoever the pitching coach is to "fix" Diaz & Familia (possibly another first timer) Wheeler gone via FA ("that's why we got Stroman") Add in a swap for a declining forming all star like JBJ ("our metrics still rate his glove highly") and a statement of support for Cano ("we think he got on track in September and we're excited to see him back in the middle of the lineup") and it feels about right. I'd imagine there won't be an extension for Thor. They also seemed to shut down the TC as bench coach rumors pretty quick. So all in all about the exact opposite of what I'd have preferred. The most hopeful I can be right now is they let whoever identified JDFD identify a few more targets like that and they work out.

This post is 100% the most Mets-like outcome and expectations.

You must be a long time fan. Because as optimistic as I am initially, I also feel this will be the exact stories coming out.

overrate Wheeler. And I'll admit his seasons are strange, he seems like 2nd half is better, but overall his stats support him being a TOR pitcher, maybe not an ace or a #1, but on the Mets, as the #3, it probably doesn't get too much better in baseball.

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Michael Mayer @mikemayerMMO Zack Wheeler's ranks among qualified MLB starting pitchers over last 2 seasons: 9th - 9.0 fWAR 10th - 3.37 FIP 12th - 377.2 innings T/4th - 0.86 HR/9 6th - 21.2 Soft Hit% 3rd - 28.3 Hard Hit% 4th - 96.3 Fastball MPH 2nd - 91.1 Slider MPH 3rd - 88.5 Changeup MPH 2:14 PM � Nov 13, 2019�TweetDeck

In comment 14679040 pjcas18 said:

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overrate Wheeler. And I'll admit his seasons are strange, he seems like 2nd half is better, but overall his stats support him being a TOR pitcher, maybe not an ace or a #1, but on the Mets, as the #3, it probably doesn't get too much better in baseball. Quote: Michael Mayer @mikemayerMMO Zack Wheeler's ranks among qualified MLB starting pitchers over last 2 seasons: 9th - 9.0 fWAR 10th - 3.37 FIP 12th - 377.2 innings T/4th - 0.86 HR/9 6th - 21.2 Soft Hit% 3rd - 28.3 Hard Hit% 4th - 96.3 Fastball MPH 2nd - 91.1 Slider MPH 3rd - 88.5 Changeup MPH 2:14 PM � Nov 13, 2019�TweetDeck

And the replacement is a near 100% chance of being worse + the chance Wheeler takes another step forward. Hard to really put together an argument where the Mets are better on paper in 2020 without ZW.

he's been durable and good. He has lived up to the AJ Burnett comps we all talked about and dreamed on pretty much since the day he came here for Beltran.

There is 0 excuse for a New York team, trying to "compete", to let him walk for anything less than an exaggerated overpay.

In comment 14679063 Eric on Li said:

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he's been durable and good. He has lived up to the AJ Burnett comps we all talked about and dreamed on pretty much since the day he came here for Beltran. There is 0 excuse for a New York team, trying to "compete", to let him walk for anything less than an exaggerated overpay.

You know whatever he signs for they will act like it was either well out of their range or that they would have matched or surpassed but weren't given a chance to.

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In comment 14679099 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 14679063 Eric on Li said: Quote: he's been durable and good. He has lived up to the AJ Burnett comps we all talked about and dreamed on pretty much since the day he came here for Beltran. There is 0 excuse for a New York team, trying to "compete", to let him walk for anything less than an exaggerated overpay. You know whatever he signs for they will act like it was either well out of their range or that they would have matched or surpassed but weren't given a chance to.

"we had our number for Zack and we think he is a tremendous player, we wish it could have worked out but that's why we got Marcus last year, who was by the way in the discussion for a Cy Young last year before we got him"

back, but I can forgive not signing him if it's because they sign Cole or Strasburg.

LOL.

Seriously, I think the Mets get a "chance to match" here and I doubt they do.

Like others I think the Stroman acquisition gave them cover for not re-signing Wheeler. Still a decent 3 man top to the rotation, but not enough.

But I will try and reserve criticism (unlike with the Cano/Diaz trade) until I see the Mets roster headed in to next year.

when you see how similar Brodie's comments about the rotation matchup with his comments last year "Hector Santiago is a former all-star, Walker Lockett and whatever that turds name is I can't recall they lost to the Rangers are both good options".

Kilome comes back strong and can be considered for a bullpen role (2nd half)?

if they decide he can't start (or they don't want him to start year 1 post TJS)

to the long man/6th starter and continue to build up the bullpen.

Jake-Thor-Wheeler-Stro-Matz-Lugo is deep and talented.

Then bring in guys like Betances, Pomeranz and Gsellman back from injury.

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stays with the Giants

In comment 14679117 pjcas18 said:

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back, but I can forgive not signing him if it's because they sign Cole or Strasburg. But I will try and reserve criticism (unlike with the Cano/Diaz trade) until I see the Mets roster headed in to next year.

I'm going to try to do the same, and in fairness if the JDFD trade wasn't a fluke and they can find a few more guys like him that can be a great offseason even without increasing payroll. I'm just braced for what's most likely because we are already seeing the writing on the wall. Wheeler out and a bunch of low cost and flawed arms in, some possibly at the expense of prospects from a system that's already hemorrhaged a lot of depth.

If there was mutual eagerness to resign Wheeler it would have happened in August after they decided to keep him.

but Ben Cherrington rumored to be named Pirates GM.