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Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:10 am
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Brian Cashman said hes had several conversations with the agents of Didi Gregorius and Brett Gardner. He also said the Yankees want to shore up their starting rotation and that they have interest in Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg, among others.


Mark Feinsand
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Asked of his interest in Cole and/or Strasburg, Brian Cashman said: Of course were going to talk to Strasburg, well talk to Cole, well talk to the higher-end guys, clearly. Well also talk about some surprise guys, Im sure Anybody would have interest in players like that.
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Do we have any  
DC Gmen Fan : 11/12/2019 10:19 am : link
solid pitching prospects due to come up?
.  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 10:27 am : link
Josh Bard out as bench coach. Carlos Mendoza promoted from quality control and infield coach. I was a little bit surprised to see that. Obviously we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but wasn't Bard Boone's personal choice to come with him as BC? Off a 103 win season that caught me by surprise. Not a big deal though.

Cashman's comments on Cole, Strasburg, and the luxury tax were refreshing yesterday.
We have a bunch...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:27 am : link
the bulk of our better full-season prospects are RHSPs. Deivi Garcia, Clarke Schmidt, Roansey Contreras, Yajure, Luis Medina, Luis Gil, Nick Nelson, Albert Abreu. But prospects are suspects, pitching prospects most of all, and they can't count on any of them coming up and pitching like Walker Buehler.
Didi Gregorius...  
M.S. : 11/12/2019 10:28 am : link


...I believe he brings a lot to this team beyond his play on the field and his at-bats.

The same, of course, can be said of Brett Gardner.

Would love to have them both back.

I'm hoping at least one is back.

If it's just one, it'll probably be Gardner.
RE: .  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:29 am : link
In comment 14676979 Kyle in NY said:
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Josh Bard out as bench coach. Carlos Mendoza promoted from quality control and infield coach. I was a little bit surprised to see that. Obviously we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but wasn't Bard Boone's personal choice to come with him as BC? Off a 103 win season that caught me by surprise. Not a big deal though.

Cashman's comments on Cole, Strasburg, and the luxury tax were refreshing yesterday.


Cashman needs to follow through though. Are they "in" on Cole or are they in on Cole at 5/$100, because I think just about every team in the game would be in on him if the pricetag is low enough (which it won't be).
For sure  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 10:32 am : link
Correct me if I'm wrong though, but didn't he downplay interest in Harper/Machado pretty much from the jump last offseason?
Any interest in Det Boyd?  
superspynyg : 11/12/2019 10:35 am : link
Lefty with good stuff, fell off in the second half but with that team who didnt. Might be able to get him for less this. The trade deadline.

Detroit wants a impact bat would Clint Frazier and two mid range prospects get it done?
eh, it's been so long since the Yankees were a player for any elite FA  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 10:35 am : link
that I'm gonna have to see it to believe it. Remember the "fully operational Death Star" comment from last year? Didn't mean anything in the end.
no, no interest in Boyd  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 10:37 am : link
He's been mediocre to terrible his entire career, other than the first half of last season. Led the league in homers allowed (39) with Comerica as his home park - I'd be terrified to see how many he'd allow in YS.
RE: .  
Del Shofner : 11/12/2019 10:42 am : link
In comment 14676979 Kyle in NY said:
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Josh Bard out as bench coach. Carlos Mendoza promoted from quality control and infield coach. I was a little bit surprised to see that. Obviously we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes but wasn't Bard Boone's personal choice to come with him as BC? Off a 103 win season that caught me by surprise. Not a big deal though.

Cashman's comments on Cole, Strasburg, and the luxury tax were refreshing yesterday.


Per the Post, Bard leaving was not a surprise. He wanted a job closer to his home in Colorado.

Bard - ( New Window )
I know we've talked about this  
Matt in SGS : 11/12/2019 10:45 am : link
and the Yankees are not run the way the George did it in the past, but I have a feeling the Yankees are going to be very aggressive this offseason because they know they are in their championship window right now. I think they will land one of Cole or Strausburg and will start to trade off some of their other prospects who are on the cusp of losing value for other pieces in the pen.

If the Yankees are able to land Cole or Strausburg (particularly Cole because he would take him from Houston), they are the prohibitive favorites to win the World Series.
Didn't know that  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 10:46 am : link
Thanks!
They probably need to ship out Happ...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:47 am : link
without eating too much $ if they're going to make Cole or Stras happen without going over the second tier. Alternatively, they could look to extend Tanaka at a lower AAV.
With Didi likely out the door  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 10:52 am : link
I'm curious to see what the Indians do with Lindor. Are they shopping him now, two seasons out from free agency? And do we have any chance at compiling a prospect package that could interest Cleveland?

It's likely a pipe dream, but the Indians owner all but came out and said they won't be able to re-sign him, so maybe they try to cash in on him now. I would pay whatever it takes in prospects to get that guy. Absolute stud.
Lindor's ask starts with Gleyber...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:59 am : link
and frankly four years of Gleyber is probably more valuable than two of Lindor. If they're going to splurge, why would it be on a middle IF?
Im  
Bill2 : 11/12/2019 11:01 am : link
with Greg.

I think its pure ROI to talk up the prices for others.

Often, when the recent era Yankees have signed big...its been stealth until the end game
RE: With Didi likely out the door  
bigbluehoya : 11/12/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14677053 Kyle in NY said:
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I'm curious to see what the Indians do with Lindor. Are they shopping him now, two seasons out from free agency? And do we have any chance at compiling a prospect package that could interest Cleveland?

It's likely a pipe dream, but the Indians owner all but came out and said they won't be able to re-sign him, so maybe they try to cash in on him now. I would pay whatever it takes in prospects to get that guy. Absolute stud.


I view Lindor as unlikely. But, I could definitely see him ending up with LAD, and if he does, something with Seager to NYY would be attractive.
They HAVE to make a decision on Frazier  
Dnew15 : 11/12/2019 11:06 am : link
is he a part of the puzzle or is he a trade piece. They've got to decide or he loses all value.
RE: Lindor's ask starts with Gleyber...  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14677074 Dunedin81 said:
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and frankly four years of Gleyber is probably more valuable than two of Lindor. If they're going to splurge, why would it be on a middle IF?


I'm looking to pair Lindor with Gleyber up the middle. I agree that Cleveland asks for Gleyber right off the bat. I'm not doing that, agreed there. Gleyber, Judge, and Severino are off the table for me. Everyone else would be in play in those potential trade talks, prospect or ML.

I don't see why middle IF wouldn't be a spot where they splurge. Gleyber's ability to play SS certainly gives them a solid back-up plan at the position and having DJ back for another season provides versatility. But if Lindor is on the table, we should be in the discussions.
RE: RE: With Didi likely out the door  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14677091 bigbluehoya said:
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I'm curious to see what the Indians do with Lindor. Are they shopping him now, two seasons out from free agency? And do we have any chance at compiling a prospect package that could interest Cleveland?

It's likely a pipe dream, but the Indians owner all but came out and said they won't be able to re-sign him, so maybe they try to cash in on him now. I would pay whatever it takes in prospects to get that guy. Absolute stud.



I view Lindor as unlikely. But, I could definitely see him ending up with LAD, and if he does, something with Seager to NYY would be attractive.


Interesting thought. LAD certainly has the more realistic prospect/young ML package they could offer for Lindor but they've shot down all comers on Lux to this point. Seager with two more years of control as well. That'd be quite a three teamer. Certainly unlikely, but fun to think about.
And on that note  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 11:17 am : link
I do think a big trade is more likely than a big deal for Cole/Strasburg. They've proven themselves far more willing to sacrifice prospects for team control at reasonable salaries than simply paying a big contract in free agency. They'll be in the mix for the free agents, but whether it's starting pitching or position players, I think the big additions likely come via trade.
Additional Pitching Prospect  
Mark in ATL : 11/12/2019 11:18 am : link
I think the Yankees are still high on 24 year old Mike King. Not high velocity but excellent control. Would have made impact this past year if not recovering from injury most of the year.
It's about marginal improvement...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 11:24 am : link
Gleyber/DJ combined for 9-10 WAR, depending on the metric. Only Judge and Gardy were in that weight class, and if Gleyber's D takes a step forward he could be higher than that. Lindor is a 4-8 WAR player. Put the trade chips into a position of clear need - starting pitching, for one, but also 1B - and the improvement could be 2-3 wins easily.
Would love to see an addition  
dune69 : 11/12/2019 11:31 am : link
of one healthy stud starting pitcher and healthy is where Strasburg scares me a little. Also, one strong relief pitcher, could be re-signing Betances. Cashman may also pull a rabbit or two out of his hat...see DJ and Gio.

However, I agree with Greg that it is unlikely that Hal/Cash go for the $250+ mil starting pitcher. Those days are probably behind us.
RE: It's about marginal improvement...  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14677124 Dunedin81 said:
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Gleyber/DJ combined for 9-10 WAR, depending on the metric. Only Judge and Gardy were in that weight class, and if Gleyber's D takes a step forward he could be higher than that. Lindor is a 4-8 WAR player. Put the trade chips into a position of clear need - starting pitching, for one, but also 1B - and the improvement could be 2-3 wins easily.


Looking beyond just this season though, DJ is a free agent after next season. No guarantee he's here long term. He's also a potential full-time 1B option in 2020. I respect your opinion of course, but I see middle infield as a need this offseason.
Now that we have a finite budget, we cant afford to spend at a  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/12/2019 1:29 pm : link
position just because a good deal is available. Like a Stanton trade. Dont even talk to Didi, and only bring Gardner back if absolutely necessary. While starting pitching is a need, we have to spend responsibly now.

Id rather see what the new pitching dept can do for Loaisiga, Montgomery, and maybe even Garcia and King than investing 250M + on a pitcher. Who knows, maybe the low A studs will be knocking on the door sooner rather than later.
I just don't get this thought process at all...  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 2:11 pm : link
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Id rather see what the new pitching dept can do for Loaisiga, Montgomery, and maybe even Garcia and King than investing 250M + on a pitcher. Who knows, maybe the low A studs will be knocking on the door sooner rather than later.


There is no salary cap in baseball - only (mostly financial) penalties for going over luxury tax. Why wouldn't any Yankee fan want us to go out and spent a ton to get Gerrit Cole???

Good question Tesla  
arniefez : 11/12/2019 2:15 pm : link
most "fans" are sheep and think somehow it's their money not the lucky sperm billionaire who inherited it.
we are in win-now mode  
RasputinPrime : 11/12/2019 2:17 pm : link
and our core are in their prime. It's time to spend and spend big.

Go after Cole and Strasburg. Make sure to sign one of them.

Make a play for Lindor.

Get rid of Happ and find a way to lead the league in SGP (starting games played).
The Yankees haven't raised payroll in 17 years.  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 2:19 pm : link
Seventeen years!!!! Plus they built a new cash cow stadium during that time, and ticket prices have probably at least tripled over that time period.

Fans should be rioting over the Yankees refusal to put more $$$ back into the team.
I'm not going to link it since it's from the Athletic  
arniefez : 11/12/2019 2:22 pm : link
and behind a pay wall but there's an article today about the Astros stealing signs with a lot of details. Apparently the assistant GM who was fired for berating the female beat writers is quite angry at his former team and flipping and Mike Fiers is too and to his credit putting his name on it.

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The Astros set-up in 2017 was not overly complicated. A feed from a camera in center field, fixed on the opposing catchers signs, was hooked up to a television monitor that was placed on a wall steps from the teams home dugout at Minute Maid Park, in the tunnel that runs between the dugout and the clubhouse. Team employees and players would watch the screen during the game.

When the onlookers believed they had decoded the signs, the expected pitch would be communicated via a loud noise specifically, banging on a trash can, which sat in the tunnel. Normally, the bangs would mean a breaking ball or off-speed pitch was coming.


There's a lot more but I think that's all I can post here.
Pretty sure  
Kyle in NY : 11/12/2019 2:26 pm : link
they did raise payroll last season after getting under the first level of the tax the year before. Like it or not, every team in the league is treating the luxury tax as a salary cap. The Red Sox are getting ready to shop Mookie Betts because of it. Dodgers, Cubs, all the other big market teams do the same
RE: Pretty sure  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14677464 Kyle in NY said:
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they did raise payroll last season after getting under the first level of the tax the year before. Like it or not, every team in the league is treating the luxury tax as a salary cap. The Red Sox are getting ready to shop Mookie Betts because of it. Dodgers, Cubs, all the other big market teams do the same


Yankees payroll was essentially the same in 2019 as it was in 2002. It went up from 2018 because they cut it dramatically that year to get under the luxury tax.
The non-financial penalties are not inconsequential...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 2:31 pm : link
Sure, end up like the Red Sox where you've got holes to fill and fuck-nothing on the farm to fill it with, and that's after just a single year of those penalties.
I would prefer  
mattyblue : 11/12/2019 2:43 pm : link
to not bring Gardner back. Hes a quality player and hes been a great Yankee, I just think they need to move on. Id rather see Frazier play until he brings up his value or busts. Gardner is probably worth the money he would get paid but I just think they would be better served using that money elsewhere. Stanton and his contract might make that a little more difficult though.

Lindor is an incredible player but it seems like it would definitely take too much to get him and while we would be a better team with him, do we really improve that much with him? It doesnt seem like thats an area of need all that much. Also wouldnt Gleyber at short and DJ at second be a better situation than resigning Didi? Obviously this past year shows that you need depth, but 99% of the time any team that suffers the amount of injuries we just dealt with would never get anywhere near as far as we did.

Obviously Id rather see the Yankees roll the dice on paying Cole or Strasburg no matter the cost but that doesnt seem likely anymore. We have decent pitching and I think guys like Tanaka or even Paxton to an extent are better than they get credit for. Id love still love to see Cole on the Yankees, but I expect Cashman to go after players like DJ and Gio and a bunch of bullpen guys. My biggest fear is that Cashman lets how a lot of his acquisitions worked out last year go to his head and think he can do it again. Its probably a stupid fear but I cant help but sort of expect him to sign a bunch of mid tier guys and expect them to over perform/strike gold. Thats probably negativity carried over from the Giants though.
RE: The non-financial penalties are not inconsequential...  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14677471 Dunedin81 said:
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Sure, end up like the Red Sox where you've got holes to fill and fuck-nothing on the farm to fill it with, and that's after just a single year of those penalties.


Your'e one of (if own the) best posters on the Yankee threads, but that's just an awful take.

The Red Sox penalty for going over the tax and winning the 2018 World Series was to move back 10 spots in the draft. You can't seriously be arguing that's why their farm system sucks?

I'm sure most Yankees fans would be happy to trade a WS in 2020 for moving back 10 spots in the draft the following year.
That's just one part of their problems...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 2:54 pm : link
but the notion that "it's just 10 picks" or "it's just a couple draft picks and some pool money" (for signing free agents) is short-sighted. NYY is a well-run team that has made it to the ALCS twice in three years. I trust them to balance short term needs with the aim of staying competitive over the next several years. Teams that have failed to balance those imperatives have had a short stay at the top.
Klapisch thinks this is a feint...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 3:23 pm : link
and that they're going to pursue Wheeler or MadBum. Wheeler makes some sense, he's trending in the right direction and he may have some ceiling left. MadBum is trending in the opposite direction, he's a fly ball pitcher with a homerun problem used to playing half his games in a pitcher's park. That would be a terrible investment, and that's not even accounting for the potential personality mismatch with him and NYC.
Re: Astros cheating....  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 3:30 pm : link
here's a pretty amazing video with absolute proof that they were cheating. As soon as the catcher calls for a change up you can hear two loud bangs coming from near Astros dugout. Caught red-handed.
Astros are a bunch of damn cheaters - ( New Window )
RE: That's just one part of their problems...  
RasputinPrime : 11/12/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14677542 Dunedin81 said:
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but the notion that "it's just 10 picks" or "it's just a couple draft picks and some pool money" (for signing free agents) is short-sighted. NYY is a well-run team that has made it to the ALCS twice in three years. I trust them to balance short term needs with the aim of staying competitive over the next several years. Teams that have failed to balance those imperatives have had a short stay at the top.


Agreed. However, they made some really poor trades for starters. The issue was their inability to develop starters of their own - much like ours to a degree.
RE: Klapisch thinks this is a feint...  
dune69 : 11/12/2019 3:43 pm : link
In comment 14677587 Dunedin81 said:
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and that they're going to pursue Wheeler or MadBum. Wheeler makes some sense, he's trending in the right direction and he may have some ceiling left. MadBum is trending in the opposite direction, he's a fly ball pitcher with a homerun problem used to playing half his games in a pitcher's park. That would be a terrible investment, and that's not even accounting for the potential personality mismatch with him and NYC.


Hope Klapisch is wrong.
I'm sure everyone does it...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 3:43 pm : link
but the Astros organization has few friends at this point. Part of it is envy, but part of it is a sense that they've toed the line between seeking out competitive advantages and outright cheating for awhile now.
JFC.....don't want either Wheeler or Bumgarner  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 4:23 pm : link
Wheeler is the eternal tease who ultimately ends up being right around league average, and he's not young anymore. Bumgarner in YS would be a disaster.

FWIW, Kay says he doesn't think they will sign either Cole or Strasburg.
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RE: That's just one part of their problems...  
HomerJones45 : 11/12/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14677542 Dunedin81 said:
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but the notion that "it's just 10 picks" or "it's just a couple draft picks and some pool money" (for signing free agents) is short-sighted. NYY is a well-run team that has made it to the ALCS twice in three years. I trust them to balance short term needs with the aim of staying competitive over the next several years. Teams that have failed to balance those imperatives have had a short stay at the top.
And for that they get a participation trophy. First decade since Babe Ruth got to NY without a WS championship.

This is not a small market team; if you think you are close, you bite the bullet and go get the piece or two you need to go over the top. There is no "window". The window opens and closes every season. You never know when the players you count on get hurt (see Judge), or have a down year (see Betts) so you have to go for it. Do the Yankees win it this year if they had made the Greinke deal or Bauer or made offered a deal with the Nats for Strasburg(who were sucking pond water at one point this season and may have been enticed to deal)?
I'd be alright with Wheeler...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 4:34 pm : link
if he's a 3.80-4.30 ERA guy who throws the odd gem I think you can take it and run with it. The Mets were a below average fielding team, so there's a decent chance an average or potentially better (if healthy) Yankees team could improve on those numbers (his 2019 BABIP of .311 was a little high for him though not egregiously so). His BB rate is trending in the right direction. He'll get overpaid, but so will everyone on the open market.
But Homer that's just it...  
Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 4:36 pm : link
even if you get that out of Greinke, and you may not in pinstripes, does that put you over the top? Does Bauer? Not with what he did after the trade. Viewed at the time of the trade, the Gray trade was a good deal from an NYY perspective, as was the Paxton deal. One turned into a disaster and the other hopefully not. We can parse through and try to find the common threads in success and failure with big money signs and marquee trades, but it's at best an educated guess.
I'm a Wheeler fan.  
bigbluehoya : 11/12/2019 4:37 pm : link
Fully in favor of signing if Cole doesn't happen.
Wheeler looks impressive with that big fastball and those Ks  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 4:43 pm : link
But his actual production just isn't anything special.
RE: Wheeler looks impressive with that big fastball and those Ks  
BigBlueShock : 11/12/2019 4:54 pm : link
In comment 14677742 Greg from LI said:
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But his actual production just isn't anything special.

Pitching for the Mets probably has something to do with that. Theyve had mostly terrible defense and until this season, mostly bad offenses. Oh, and inept managers.

I think Wheeler will flourish with a change of scenery
Didn't seem to hamper deGrom, did it?  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 4:56 pm : link
Who was the last pitcher to come to the Yankees and be better than he was for his previous team? Aaron Small?
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