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Dunedin81 : 11/12/2019 10:10 am
James Wagner
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Brian Cashman said he’s had several conversations with the agents of Didi Gregorius and Brett Gardner. He also said the Yankees want to shore up their starting rotation and that they have interest in Gerrit Cole and Stephen Strasburg, among others.


Mark Feinsand
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Asked of his interest in Cole and/or Strasburg, Brian Cashman said: “Of course were going to talk to Strasburg, we’ll talk to Cole, we’ll talk to the higher-end guys, clearly. We’ll also talk about some surprise guys, I’m sure … Anybody would have interest in players like that.”
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RE: Didn't seem to hamper deGrom, did it?  
BigBlueShock : 11/12/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14677763 Greg from LI said:
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Who was the last pitcher to come to the Yankees and be better than he was for his previous team? Aaron Small?

Nice comparison. deGrom is only the best pitcher in baseball.
well, Wheeler boosters are always claiming that he's secretly so elite  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 4:59 pm : link
Who should I compare him to?
RE: well, Wheeler boosters are always claiming that he's secretly so elite  
BigBlueShock : 11/12/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14677769 Greg from LI said:
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Who should I compare him to?

I’ve never heard one person on this board say he was elite. That’s just you making shit up.
Sure thing  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 5:11 pm : link
I wasn't told by one of the resident FIP fetishists that his underlying numbers are actually awesome.
Yankees just brought in a  
section125 : 11/12/2019 5:19 pm : link
super analytical pitching coach and changed their pitching department for better analytics. Wheeler has good stuff, very good stuff and so did Cole when he left Pittsburgh for Houston.
Now I don't know if the new guy and the staff can do for Wheeler what Houston did for Cole(and Verlander), but maybe they can.

Tesla and Homer - the Yanks have a good system, even after all the trades because they were smart with their trades and protected their draft slots. While I would love to have Cole or Strasburg, but you have to remember that Judge, Sanchez, Torres eventually will be getting paid, sooner than later.
You make decent points that the Yanks should be using their monetary muscle to get the top players. But they could end up with a $300+ mill payroll and who knows what happens to their draft and IFA monet down the road.
maybe they can, maybe they can't  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 5:22 pm : link
I'm excited about the new Driveline era of Yankees pitching instruction too but, until we see the results, I'm going to be fairly sanguine about it.
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 11/12/2019 5:22 pm : link
fan who hopes they keep Wheeler (know they won't). He's AJ Burnett-esque (and a bit of a prick/dumbass) but the best is yet to come.. at least for the next 2-3 seasons.
RE: maybe they can, maybe they can't  
section125 : 11/12/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14677799 Greg from LI said:
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I'm excited about the new Driveline era of Yankees pitching instruction too but, until we see the results, I'm going to be fairly sanguine about it.


Eh, just threw it out there...I'm certain that they hired these guys to get someone like Wheeler(who is underperforming) and get the best of him.
Judge chiming in on the Astros cheating...  
JPinstripes : 11/12/2019 6:23 pm : link
Aaron Judge
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Wait... what....?
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Former Houston Astros pitcher Mike Fiers told The Athletic that the team used a camera in center field during their championship season in 2017. https://es.pn/2NGjjON
Of course Baldelli get MOY over Booney  
Stu11 : 11/12/2019 6:32 pm : link
Why give it to the manager that handed the other his lunch all year(I know PS doesn't count). And the small market little engine that could arguement is BS when half our payroll spends the year on the IL.
RE: Of course Baldelli get MOY over Booney  
section125 : 11/12/2019 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14677862 Stu11 said:
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Why give it to the manager that handed the other his lunch all year(I know PS doesn't count). And the small market little engine that could argument is BS when half our payroll spends the year on the IL.


There was no doubt in my mind that Baldelli would win - just because he wasn't managing the Yankees...he is worthy because he did a great job with the Twins. But did he manage better than Boone with 30 starters on IL(well you know the story.
RE: RE: Of course Baldelli get MOY over Booney  
Stu11 : 11/12/2019 7:56 pm : link
In comment 14677885 section125 said:
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In comment 14677862 Stu11 said:


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Why give it to the manager that handed the other his lunch all year(I know PS doesn't count). And the small market little engine that could argument is BS when half our payroll spends the year on the IL.



There was no doubt in my mind that Baldelli would win - just because he wasn't managing the Yankees...he is worthy because he did a great job with the Twins. But did he manage better than Boone with 30 starters8 on IL(well you know the story.

Absolutely. In my life I can't remember a Yankee winning a post season award that was tightly contested. Ever.
Altuve's 2017 MVP award is now illegitimate  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 7:59 pm : link
Judge is the real MLB as far as I'm concerned. He should have won in the first damned place.
RE: Altuve's 2017 MVP award is now illegitimate  
BigBlueShock : 11/12/2019 8:09 pm : link
In comment 14677919 Greg from LI said:
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Judge is the real MLB as far as I'm concerned. He should have won in the first damned place.

Damned right. Not only should they force that cheating scum to hand over the award, they should make him do it on national television
Wonder if the Yanks will again pursue Luis Castillo  
xman : 11/12/2019 8:27 pm : link
from the Reds
section125  
Tesla : 11/12/2019 9:48 pm : link
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Tesla and Homer - the Yanks have a good system, even after all the trades because they were smart with their trades and protected their draft slots.


That's just not true. The Yankees farm system was not based on the success of their first round picks. It was based on guys they signed internationally, mid-round picks that developed and guys they traded for. In fact with one notable exception the Yankees have gotten nothing from their first round picks:

Take a look at their first round picks going back to 1995.

2018 Anthony Seigler catcher Cartersville high school
2017 Clark Schmidt RHP Chaminade College Prep
2016 Blake Rutherford OF Chaminade College Prep (West Hills, Calif.) 18
2015 James Kaprielian RHP UCLA 16
2015 Kyle Holder SS San Diego 30
2013 Aaron Judge OF Fresno State 32
2013 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison High School, San Diego, Calif. 33
2013 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame 26
2012 Ty Hensley RHP Edmond Santa Fe (Okla.) High School 30
2010 Cito Culver SS Irondequoit HS, Rochester, N.Y. 32
2009 Slade Heathcott OF Texas HS, Texarkana, Texas 29
2008 Gerrit Cole RHP Orange (Calif.) Lutheran H.S. 28
2007 Andrew Brackman RHP North Carolina State 30
2006 Ian Kennedy RHP Southern California 21
2005 Carl Henry SS Putnam City HS (OK) 17
2004 Philip Hughes RHP Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA 23
2003 Eric Duncan 3B Seton Hall Prep (NJ) 27
2001 John-Ford Griffin OF Florida State U 23
2000 David Parrish C Yorba Linda, CA 28
1999 David Walling RHP U. of Arkansas 27
1998 Andrew Brown OF Richmond, IN 24
1997 *-Tyrell Godwin OF Elizabethtown, NC 24
1996 Eric Milton LHP U of Maryland 20
1995 Shea Morenz OF U of Texas 27

RE: I know we've talked about this  
djm : 11/12/2019 9:58 pm : link
In comment 14677025 Matt in SGS said:
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and the Yankees are not run the way the George did it in the past, but I have a feeling the Yankees are going to be very aggressive this offseason because they know they are in their championship window right now. I think they will land one of Cole or Strausburg and will start to trade off some of their other prospects who are on the cusp of losing value for other pieces in the pen.

If the Yankees are able to land Cole or Strausburg (particularly Cole because he would take him from Houston), they are the prohibitive favorites to win the World Series.


My thoughts as well.
Aaron Boone didn't finish 1st, 2nd, or 3rd on either of the ballots  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/12/2019 10:13 pm : link
from the Tampa Bay writers.

In fact, he only got 2 of a possible 8 first place votes from writers of the other AL East teams.
Tampa shouldn't even have a team anymore  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 10:14 pm : link
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RE: section125  
section125 : 11/13/2019 6:58 am : link
In comment 14678055 Tesla said:
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Tesla and Homer - the Yanks have a good system, even after all the trades because they were smart with their trades and protected their draft slots.



That's just not true. The Yankees farm system was not based on the success of their first round picks. It was based on guys they signed internationally, mid-round picks that developed and guys they traded for. In fact with one notable exception the Yankees have gotten nothing from their first round picks:

Take a look at their first round picks going back to 1995.

2018 Anthony Seigler catcher Cartersville high school
2017 Clark Schmidt RHP Chaminade College Prep
2016 Blake Rutherford OF Chaminade College Prep (West Hills, Calif.) 18
2015 James Kaprielian RHP UCLA 16
2015 Kyle Holder SS San Diego 30
2013 Aaron Judge OF Fresno State 32
2013 Ian Clarkin LHP Madison High School, San Diego, Calif. 33
2013 Eric Jagielo 3B Notre Dame 26
2012 Ty Hensley RHP Edmond Santa Fe (Okla.) High School 30
2010 Cito Culver SS Irondequoit HS, Rochester, N.Y. 32
2009 Slade Heathcott OF Texas HS, Texarkana, Texas 29
2008 Gerrit Cole RHP Orange (Calif.) Lutheran H.S. 28
2007 Andrew Brackman RHP North Carolina State 30
2006 Ian Kennedy RHP Southern California 21
2005 Carl Henry SS Putnam City HS (OK) 17
2004 Philip Hughes RHP Foothill HS, Santa Ana, CA 23


Thanks for that. Now, how many of those guys were traded for players that were either MLB players or played part in trades that brought players that played on the Yankees.

As to the Yanks, Judge, Kennedy, Hughes played for the Yanks. Kaprielian, Clarkin, Jagielo and Rutherford were pieces in trades. Schmidt and Siegler are still in the system with a future.

And those are the ones I know about. And for whatever reason some of the pitchers did not develop because of a weakness in the system. Some teams are better at developing players(Rays, Dodgers, Braves). I think Cash is working hard to improve the system.
But I'm not dismissing your point, it has some merit. Bird in hand is worth two or three in the farm system .

RE: RE: section125  
Milton : 11/13/2019 8:06 am : link
In comment 14678230 section125 said:
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Bird in hand is worth two or three in the farm system .
Bird hasn't worked out as hoped, but injuries are unpredictable.
We've had this conversation before...  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 8:45 am : link
their track record with first rounders is pretty bad. Only a handful have made it to the bigs and in the last ten years only one (Judge) has done anything once he got there. But their overall track record with draft picks is pretty solid, comparable to or better than teams picking higher with more picks and pool money. And that's the other thing worth remembering about first rounders, the pool money they bring with them is very useful. 2013, the year of three first rounders, brought Judge of course, but it also brought Caleb Smith, Dustin Fowler, Nestor Cortes, Nick Rumbelow, Tyler Webb, and Tyler Wade as big leaguers. Even if nobody else makes the bigs (and a handful of other guys have at least a fighting chance), seven big leaguers from one draft is a very good outcome.
RE: RE: RE: section125  
section125 : 11/13/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14678271 Milton said:
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In comment 14678230 section125 said:


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Bird in hand is worth two or three in the farm system .


Bird hasn't worked out as hoped, but injuries are unpredictable.


Milton, it is a saying, a bird in hand is worth two in the bush....
Not sure how much of this you can see...  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 1:31 pm : link
but BA's NYY Top 10 is always a good read. A few surprises as to who is in (Peraza, for one) and who isn't (Florial in particular) but the scouting reports are impressive.
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The chat, predictably, goes well beyond the Top 10  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 1:33 pm : link
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And this is MLB pipeline (Callis) on the state of the farm  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 2:46 pm : link
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What’s interesting is that Norris mentioned they hired a former Astros  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/13/2019 4:18 pm : link
hitting coach last year. I guess he didn’t bring the trash can and video camera with him. Most of the IFA’s had a bad year last year.

Heard some of Cashman’s comment on Fatso’s show, lots of touch and feelie stuff, and doesn’t sound like he intends on making big splashes.
RE: What’s interesting is that Norris mentioned they hired a former Astros  
bigbluehoya : 11/13/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14679155 Jim in Hoboken said:
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hitting coach last year. I guess he didn’t bring the trash can and video camera with him. Most of the IFA’s had a bad year last year.

Heard some of Cashman’s comment on Fatso’s show, lots of touch and feelie stuff, and doesn’t sound like he intends on making big splashes.


I got a different impression. He sounded more to me like he was reluctantly ready to say goodbye to guys like Didi and Gardner, which tells me that he plans on accepting some austerity in filling out the lineup in order to make an earnest attempt at Cole.

Just my read.
Jim  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 4:39 pm : link
That was discussed, and it seems to have paid SOME dividends (Canaan Smith, for one). But exactly what it means for hitting development is as much educated guess as anything else. Virtually no hitters had in-season promotions last year (contra pitchers, where several advanced one or even two levels). Presumably that's a function of the hitting coordinator, but who knows?
RE: Jim  
bigbluehoya : 11/13/2019 4:53 pm : link
In comment 14679179 Dunedin81 said:
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That was discussed, and it seems to have paid SOME dividends (Canaan Smith, for one). But exactly what it means for hitting development is as much educated guess as anything else. Virtually no hitters had in-season promotions last year (contra pitchers, where several advanced one or even two levels). Presumably that's a function of the hitting coordinator, but who knows?


I think it's also a function of the fact that the hitters in the system are almost exclusively J2 kids that they challenge with some (appropriately, IMV) aggressive assignments. These are really young kids, and 2018 could easily be just a bump in the road, non-linear progression, etc.
Definitely the ambitious assignments were a factor, but it seems as if  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/13/2019 5:16 pm : link
Norris was using new hitting instructions as an excuse for a lot of the hitters.

Granted, Dune is more of the glass is half full guy on the system whereas I am more of where is the fucking glass guy....

It’s mighty interesting they’ve made a lot of changes to the coaching staff. Maybe they should look at Oppenheimer and the scouts instead.

Who are in the BA top 10 for us BTW?
Yanks haven't had  
Carson53 : 11/13/2019 5:20 pm : link
Manager of the Year since Torre won in 1998. (125 wins total that year).
I actually thought Cash was going to win this year.
I'm a glass half full on pitching  
Dunedin81 : 11/13/2019 5:53 pm : link
I've complained about hitting development (or at least pointed out the stark difference in outcomes) for a couple years. A lot of stagnation, even among some of the elite guys like Florial but especially among middling or carrying tool guys.
Even if Cash is chasing  
section125 : 11/13/2019 5:59 pm : link
Cole, I doubt he shows enthusiasm. I just don't see it happening as much as I'd like it.
i just dont see this era of the Yankees  
Bill2 : 11/13/2019 7:02 pm : link
depending on a few players

I think balance and tons of depth are what we are going to see for the next five years.

Balance as in contact and power hitters. Fastball and variety pitchers in the starting ranks. Lots more emphasis on defensively capable players.

And patience. Lots of Yankee "names" at all levels need to re prove in late spring and up until the deadline.

I don't think we see this years Death Star until July
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