I’m almost done with the 1st half. Really impressive displays by both, thus far.
Nick Gates didn’t disappoint in his first start. I expected him to look out of place and look small. While the Jets edge rushers aren’t overly impressive, he played stout at the point of attack. Handled the bull rush really well. I’m guessing PFF is crediting him with a pressure on the Daniel Jones fumble in the 2nd quarter, but that wasn’t really on Gates. The ball rolled back to a spot where Gates wasn’t really blocking for. If the snap was handled properly, Gates had his edge blocked well, to create a clean pocket.
Seem to be a few miscommunication issues between he and Zietler, but that’s to be expected. He also had some good hustle plays where he continued to block his man in the ground.
There were a few plays late in the 1st half that he started to lose his technique when the defender got inside of his pads. Seemed to dip his head a bit, like flowers used to. Those breakdowns seemed to be few and far between, though.
Really hope they allow him to start the rest of the season. Let him get some reps and see what we have in him.
Leonard Williams is really impressive. He’s got a great first step. Really quick. Can’t really be blocked 1on1, either. Shows good hand placement and quickly adjusts from beating his man, to finding out the ball and gets after it, nicely. He and Lawrence are going to be a lot of fun to watch, going forward, if the Giants lock him up long term.
Anyone else have any thoughts?
I watch the Jets a bit and I have always liked Williams. I was surprised when the move got killed here. I thought he had a very good game, Darnold was under a ton of pressure. The whole DL looked really good to my eyes.
If only our back 7 (especially the LBs and Bethea and Baker) didn't suck, this defense might actually look OK.
It wasn’t just the Jets. He was impressive in his first start with us, last week, against the cowboys.
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against the sorryass Jets.
It wasn’t just the Jets. He was impressive in his first start with us, last week, against the cowboys.
That's funny, Ezekiel Elliot thought otherwise.
Also, Barkley cannot be healthy. Obviously, but his breakdowns in blitz pick up were alarming. You can add Gallman to that as well, although I didn’t watch him much.
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against the sorryass Jets.
It wasn’t just the Jets. He was impressive in his first start with us, last week, against the cowboys.
That's funny, Ezekiel Elliot thought otherwise.
A player can play well in a unit that didn't. The unit as a whole stunk vs Dallas. It's lazy to assume that every single player stunk.
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against the sorryass Jets.
It wasn’t just the Jets. He was impressive in his first start with us, last week, against the cowboys.
That's funny, Ezekiel Elliot thought otherwise.
He rush defense wasn’t good. I’ll give you that, but in his first game with us, he showed some decent pressure, against a stout offensive line. It wasn’t a world beater showing, but he was far from the problem, in my eyes
People are down on Hill but he will be good depth/rotation with the three starters two of which will be plus players (those you mentioned). If they can add three plus players (Safety, Edge, ILB) the D will be on its way with good coaching.
Right. A team he has practiced against for a few years, too. And as recently as three weeks ago. He knows the guys on that hideous OL inside/out.
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against the sorryass Jets.
It wasn’t just the Jets. He was impressive in his first start with us, last week, against the cowboys.
That's funny, Ezekiel Elliot thought otherwise.
I think that had more to do with our mostly shit LBs
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against the sorryass Jets.
Right. A team he has practiced against for a few years, too. And as recently as three weeks ago. He knows the guys on that hideous OL inside/out.
Well, imagine if he played poorly against them? The fact is, he didn’t. He was stout. Give credit for play where it’s due, I suppose.
Instead of nitpicking Williams’ 2nd start for us, I’d figure most would rather bash the trash displays that were on the field on Sunday. Like Ogletree and Baker
Good lord, this crap about never paying anyone has to stop. If I hear one more person suggest the Patriots way without Bill Belichick and Ernie Adams running the show...
Leonard Williams is an outstanding player. Very disruptive to both the run and pass game. They need a few more DLs like him to start stopping offenses, not less. These guys are hard to get.
Second, Williams is not an "outstanding" player. Nobody thinks that. He's between mediocre and good. If here were Aaron Donald for Khalil Mack then sure, pay him what he wants, but he's not, and it's not close. He's got one sack in 9 games this year. One.
I'm OK putting the cap dollars on the trenches.
Williams is a mediocre talent?
You're lost.
Well, imagine if he played poorly against them? The fact is, he didn’t. He was stout. Give credit for play where it’s due, I suppose.
Instead of nitpicking Williams’ 2nd start for us, I’d figure most would rather bash the trash displays that were on the field on Sunday. Like Ogletree and Baker
It's just context. That's all.
I'm just not sure LW is really, really good. Our OL is certainly not great, but without LW the Jets DL hummed right along without LW. Absolutely pounded us. Maybe Jets Central looked at LW and saw redundancies with him, wasn't a force multiplier, and weren't going to lay out $15-17M in cap money for a solid, inconsistent player...
Remmers has a bad back so maybe that's why he's one of the worst OT's in the NFL but that's what he is now. One of the worst OT's in the NFL.
Gates might be too but he's still better than Remmers.
Always remember Tom Coughlin who is worshipped here by many tried to cut Victor Cruz before the 2011 season and only played him when he was literally the last WR left who wasn't injured.
And while Tom Coughlin isn't what many here think he is (HOF elite level HC) he sure was a very good NFL coach by every measure so what was he missing?
Coaches have their own preconceived bias and some like Coughlin always want to play Vets even when the Vets are absolutely horrible like Bethea and Ogletree on the current Giants defense.