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For those wondering, Shurmur will still call plays

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/12/2019 12:28 pm
Dan Duggan @DDuggan21

Shurmur holding an impromptu press conference. He said there are no thoughts/plans for him to give up play calling.
Obviously.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/12/2019 12:31 pm : link
No one else on the staff has Pat's extensive knowledge of shotgun runs up the ass of the center.
hey,  
Bill in UT : 11/12/2019 12:32 pm : link
if it's working, why change it?
That's fine  
JerryNicklebag : 11/12/2019 12:32 pm : link
At the end of the season, the result will be almost all on his shoulders and if Mara / Tisch can't see how inept he is at that point then they deserve the losing culture they have built.
Never thought  
joeinpa : 11/12/2019 12:33 pm : link
He would.
Just keep giving him a little more rope.  
MOOPS : 11/12/2019 12:35 pm : link
As things continue to spiral down, the better the chance he's gone in January.
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I am Ninja : 11/12/2019 12:35 pm : link
It really is something that when we miss on a HC we dont get guys that are like "ehhh he's fine, he's just not the guy. totally mediocre", we get absolute assclowns of the highest order.
Sure. All's well.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/12/2019 12:38 pm : link
We're only 2-8. Everything is Fan F'ing Tastic.
So the team is a disaster...  
GiantFanInTX : 11/12/2019 12:39 pm : link
Let's not make a single fucking change to shake things up and see if we get a different result. I really wish I could be this inept at my job and still get paid. Unreal how awful this guy is.

Having gone through the Ray Handley debacle, I never thought it could get worse than that. Wow was I wrong...
During the bye Pat is going to turn his attention to motivating the  
NYRiese : 11/12/2019 12:41 pm : link
players
while half the players and fan base wish the hell Shurmur would motivate himself out of here .
2 - 14  
Trainmaster : 11/12/2019 12:42 pm : link
Here we come!
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GiantEgo : 11/12/2019 12:44 pm : link
The - why should I change anything - attitude he takes with the media is one of his most annoying traits.
What's the definition of insanity?  
figgy2989 : 11/12/2019 12:45 pm : link
Shit isn't working, there is no creativity with the play calling.

Gotta keep the resume current  
WillVAB : 11/12/2019 12:46 pm : link
For OC jobs next year.
At this point,  
an_idol_mind : 11/12/2019 12:47 pm : link
it makes sense to let Shurmur try to dig his way out of the hole. An interim head coach isn't going to do much in the last six games of the season.

Let the dude try to save his job his way. I have a feeling that the team winds up at the 3-13 mark or so, but maybe he can surprise me.
Looks like Barkley will still berunning up the middle and the Giants  
SterlingArcher : 11/12/2019 12:49 pm : link
will continue to be faced with 3rd and long!
Stubborn to the bitter end,  
truebluelarry : 11/12/2019 12:49 pm : link
just as well.
Wow Pat... gonna die on that hill, eh buddy?  
Brown Recluse : 11/12/2019 12:55 pm : link
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We haven't even faced the difficult  
Chris684 : 11/12/2019 12:57 pm : link
part of the schedule yet. 2 more losses coming at the hands of the Eagles.

Miami is also trending in the opposite direction.

This is a 2, 3 or 4 win team.
Successful  
Les in TO : 11/12/2019 1:03 pm : link
Head coaches delegate and empower their coordinators and take a holistic view of the team. This may explain why he’s never won more than six games in four seasons
They’ll  
NikkiMac : 11/12/2019 1:05 pm : link
Get maybe one more win if unlucky at this point tank is on Giants will have 2nd or 3rd pick of the draft
Shurmur...  
bw in dc : 11/12/2019 1:06 pm : link
is in a real bind.

He essentially has to figure out how to score 35ppg because his defense, and his DC, will be lucky to keep most teams < 35.

And that's going to be very tough with a QB who is creating points for the other team, an OL that has little continuity, a top RB who is injured with no viable back-up RB, and Shurmur struggles to manage an NFL game.

The best  
Touchdown maker : 11/12/2019 1:06 pm : link
Stretch this team had on offense with Shurmur was last season the last 8 games of the year. They were under center 52% of the time. They scores 27 ppg and that included a game they put up a doughnut.

The first 8 games last year and the ten games this year he’s in shotgun over 70% of the time. It doesn’t work. Why they continue to play like this is beyond me
Who cares?  
Go Terps : 11/12/2019 1:07 pm : link
What, was he going to suddenly be a good coach if he gave up play calling?
Well, you know the old saying - if it's broken  
jcn56 : 11/12/2019 1:07 pm : link
don't fix it.
'Meaningful games in December'  
MOOPS : 11/12/2019 1:08 pm : link
John Mara's standard.
Well, it seems we're incapable of playing a meaningful game after Halloween.
Better reset your calendar John.

Yeah, Miami and Washington might be meaningful if your name is Pat Shurmur and you're trying to save your job.
Hey  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
maybe you haven’t been keeping up with current events, but we just got our asses kicked by Gase and Darnold pal!

RE: Who cares?  
UConn4523 : 11/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14677325 Go Terps said:
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What, was he going to suddenly be a good coach if he gave up play calling?


Yeah I was just thinking to myself, "of course he isn't giving up play calling, he won't know what to do to fill the time".

I can't believe how lost this guy is.
RE: 'Meaningful games in December'  
Silver Spoon : 11/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14677329 MOOPS said:
Quote:
John Mara's standard.
Well, it seems we're incapable of playing a meaningful game after Halloween.
Better reset your calendar John.

Yeah, Miami and Washington might be meaningful if your name is Pat Shurmur and you're trying to save your job.


You mean Columbus Day.
RE: 'Meaningful games in December'  
Go Terps : 11/12/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14677329 MOOPS said:
Quote:
John Mara's standard.
Well, it seems we're incapable of playing a meaningful game after Halloween.
Better reset your calendar John.

Yeah, Miami and Washington might be meaningful if your name is Pat Shurmur and you're trying to save your job.


That was always a low bar to set for success.

You think Belichick gets up in the morning hoping to play meaningful games in December?
Sigh ....  
Spider56 : 11/12/2019 1:32 pm : link
Another datapoint that this guy just doesn’t get it ...being the HC and play caller may work if your name is Payton or Reid ... but them you ain’t ... please god, make it stop.
It's not just the play calling  
Rjanyg : 11/12/2019 1:33 pm : link
It's formations and personnel groups. This guy just doesn't know how to set his team up for success!

Shotgun 3 WR sets all the time! Even when the defense is daring him to throw the ball with 8 in the box, he calls a draw play and Barkley his hit in the backfield.

Jones is not getting the snap off until 1 second on the clock, no time to audible and read a defense.

A commitment to the run and run formations will help everybody. Look at the first drive of the 2 games of the season Eli played in. Both drives had run formations and the line was moving people, Barkley was running wild.

We change QB's and completely change our offense to accommodate Shurmur.
My worry  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/12/2019 1:36 pm : link
is he is exposing Jones to many hits with his shotgun approach but he knows/thinks his team can't run effectively. Very worried Jones is going to get hurt. He is desperate and maybe he is trying to show good numbers with Jones to be back next year.

The lack of creativity on offense is alarming. He can't scheme a running game and now we are getting runs up the gut.




RE: It's not just the play calling  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/12/2019 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14677373 Rjanyg said:
Quote:
It's formations and personnel groups. This guy just doesn't know how to set his team up for success!

Shotgun 3 WR sets all the time! Even when the defense is daring him to throw the ball with 8 in the box, he calls a draw play and Barkley his hit in the backfield.

Jones is not getting the snap off until 1 second on the clock, no time to audible and read a defense.

A commitment to the run and run formations will help everybody. Look at the first drive of the 2 games of the season Eli played in. Both drives had run formations and the line was moving people, Barkley was running wild.

We change QB's and completely change our offense to accommodate Shurmur.

That Adams FF and TD happened when there was 0 secs left on the clock and they could time the snap, saw that coming from a mile away.

With little or no motion or audibles, what is eating up so much time?
I'm trying to imagine what Shurmur is seeing in his teams performance.  
Dinger : 11/12/2019 2:41 pm : link
I see DJ being a good QB and advanced rookie(If it were up to me PS would get NO credit for this as DJ seems smart and athletic enough to be good with our PS). But he hasn't made the OL better. He hasn't improved EE or anyone else on offense that is noticable. Nothing on defense has improved. I guess he sees the offense putting up 27 points and thats better than the last HC. I'm just not sure where he is seeing improvment or cause for not changing things up to be better.

What is he watching? If there is progress it seems to be minute compared to other teams progress and I am just not seeing it?
We have a legit shot at the number 2 pick..  
bradshaw44 : 11/12/2019 2:45 pm : link
If the Skins can knock us off and win one more game only cincy would be ahead of us. Could that land us Chase Young?
NY Giants long term HC...Patsy Shurmur  
micky : 11/12/2019 3:06 pm : link
"All is good folks...what can I say?"

whatever gets his sorry ass out of here quicker  
LG in NYC : 11/12/2019 3:31 pm : link
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shurmur should go down making all his own decisions  
japanhead : 11/12/2019 4:24 pm : link
mara and gettleman should not intervene and tell him how they think he should be handling the head coach job, as was the case when coughlin was forced to make staff changes basically every year starting with hufnagel. if shurmur leads the giants to an historically bad record, which he seems well on his way to doing, maybe they cut bait quicker.

that said i wonder if the key difference this year is injuries. aside from engram, who can never stay on the field for a full season, and beckham who pulled himself for the last 4 games, the giants were a very healthy team last year. not the case this year.
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