All of it is true...

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In comment 14677416 Anakim said:

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might have been humming it. :)

Clean out the front office and hand the operation to one guy in a top down military style structure. No more Politburo.

How long it takes is up to Mara. If you want a prediction from me, it goes like this:

- Bettcher is fired January 2020
- Giants go 5-11 in 2020
- Gettleman and Shurmur are fired January 2021
- Abrams is hired as GM January 2021
- Jason Garrett is hired as head coach January 2021

Nothing changes.

.... all of it is true...

Are the issue. God. Jones is winning? If it was only Eli why does the OL and D still suck

Minny loses to Dallas without this running game. Barkley is a stud. Cos he is a dud. Betcher needs to play madden and leave ASAP

In comment 14677428 Chef said:

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.... all of it is true...

Do, or do not... There is no try!

That being said. It is not like there was any decent coaches knocking down the door to be the head coach of this organization. That is how Shurmur ended up with the job.

The others obviously saw what kind of shit show is going on and decided to steer clear of the mess that this whole organization is in.

All the recent posts about who everyone wants as the next HC. (I like Campbell or Staley)

One small problem. What makes anyone think that any of these guys would even want to come here? Especially to guys with solid college jobs (Rhule) or solid NFL coordinators jobs.
So yes Shurmur should be shown the door. He is not HC material that is obvious. However I can only imagine what kind of hot garbage the organization is going to attract next.

Should hire you to right the ship.🤣🤣

Should hire you to right the ship.🤣🤣

Should hire you to right the ship.🤣🤣

In comment 14677427 Go Terps said:

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Clean out the front office and hand the operation to one guy in a top down military style structure. No more Politburo. How long it takes is up to Mara. If you want a prediction from me, it goes like this: - Bettcher is fired January 2020 - Giants go 5-11 in 2020 - Gettleman and Shurmur are fired January 2021 - Abrams is hired as GM January 2021 - Jason Garrett is hired as head coach January 2021 Nothing changes.

I am not sure Shurmur makes the year. He looks in over his head by a LOT.

DG gets five years minimum IMO.

If I were to predict.

Shurmur fired before the end of the year. He loses the team coming out of the bye, it will be obvious. As bad as we have played, he hadn't lost the team(scary). Next game is a blowout loss.

I have no idea who will replace Shurmur. The job is more attractive now with the Eli transition done. Job was loser in 2018.

ownership was loyal to Coughlin, Reese and Eli to a fault. Coughlin's forced departure was at about the right time (though arguably a year late) but Reese should have been gone at the same time as Coughlin. Allowing him to spend all that free agent money before 2016 with his job on the line was a terrible decision. Eli should have been sent packing after 2017, and the desire to try one more run with Eli lead to the selection of the running back and resigning Beckham - which did nothing but delay the rebuild another year and eventually lead to the end of Eli, the trading of Beckham, and the complete uselessness of the running back on the current roster. Meanwhile, while all this was drama was playing out, the offensive line and entire defense disintegrated into nothing. So only now, after almost a decade of complete futility, do we hear from the organization "welcome to the rebuild!" and it is being lead by a GM and head coach who will both almost certainly be fired after next season. A truly terrible job in every way by the owners.

...if he does stay - I know the team is still under-performing but to this untrained eye, he seems to have had some good drafts - at least better than is predecessor. Free Agency is another story

I know the jury is still out on the drafts. The issue with DG is he seems stubborn, although I do not know the man personally. I am not sure if Shurmur was DGs choice. From what I read here, no.

I would hate to delay the road to recovery but if Gettleman is allowed to hire a coach who shares his same vision, maybe it will accelerate the process.

In comment 14677579 Drewcon40 said:

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...if he does stay - I know the team is still under-performing but to this untrained eye, he seems to have had some good drafts - at least better than is predecessor. Free Agency is another story I know the jury is still out on the drafts. The issue with DG is he seems stubborn, although I do not know the man personally. I am not sure if Shurmur was DGs choice. From what I read here, no. I would hate to delay the road to recovery but if Gettleman is allowed to hire a coach who shares his same vision, maybe it will accelerate the process.

I'm starting to lose faith in this narrative of Gettleman's drafting being good. He got what will be an all-time great RB, seems to have gotten the QB right, and Lawrence seems to be a player, but what is it that we all complained about Reese's drafts? Hitting on 2nd-5th round picks. Looking at last year's draft - Hernandez, Carter, Hill, Lauletta, McIntosh, I'm not seeing a tremendous amount of talent. Hernandez seems to have made very little if any progress from year 1 to year 2, Carter has not had anything close to the impact I was hoping for this year, Hill is completely invisible out there, Lauletta is gone, and McIntosh is nothing special. It's too early to really tell what these guys will be, as well as this year's rookies, but I'm not too sold on any of these guys being core pieces going forward. Speaking of this year's rookies, it does look like he hit on Slayton and probably Connelly too. Not enough game experience for Love or Ballentine (though Ballentine I think looks pretty good), and Ximines has flashed, but ultimately you haven't heard his name in several weeks.

Not to mention that initial thoughts of Baker, who he traded up for, all point to him being a bust. He's young, and CB's take some time to develop, so I'm not giving up on him yet, but I'm not seeing a lot of progression from him as the season moves on either.

They should hire you to right the ship....They should hire you to right the ship.... They should hire you to right the ship....

In comment 14677530 Thegratefulhead said:

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In comment 14677427 Go Terps said: Quote: Clean out the front office and hand the operation to one guy in a top down military style structure. No more Politburo. How long it takes is up to Mara. If you want a prediction from me, it goes like this: - Bettcher is fired January 2020 - Giants go 5-11 in 2020 - Gettleman and Shurmur are fired January 2021 - Abrams is hired as GM January 2021 - Jason Garrett is hired as head coach January 2021 Nothing changes. I am not sure Shurmur makes the year. He looks in over his head by a LOT. DG gets five years minimum IMO. If I were to predict. Shurmur fired before the end of the year. He loses the team coming out of the bye, it will be obvious. As bad as we have played, he hadn't lost the team(scary). Next game is a blowout loss. I have no idea who will replace Shurmur. The job is more attractive now with the Eli transition done. Job was loser in 2018.

This isn't an attractive job with Gettleman being foisted on the new coach.

a long realistic look at this antiquated organization and make some tough decisions. I don't know if he is able to do this, and even if he is, I don't expect that he is willing to make those tough decisions and really rock the boat.

In comment 14677427 Go Terps said:

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Clean out the front office and hand the operation to one guy in a top down military style structure. No more Politburo. How long it takes is up to Mara. If you want a prediction from me, it goes like this: - Bettcher is fired January 2020 - Giants go 5-11 in 2020 - Gettleman and Shurmur are fired January 2021 - Abrams is hired as GM January 2021 - Jason Garrett is hired as head coach January 2021 Nothing changes.

Shurmur ain’t surviving this year. No evidence supports he will get a third year. The key question will be Gettleman.

Something I could 1000% see is Shurmur & staff fired after the season. Dallas fires Garrett. Mara hires Garrett and keeps Gettleman.

Garrett will be attractive for the following reasons:

-Former NYG ties
-Strong career record
-Dominated us in recent years
-Most importantly, will have zero issue working with Gettleman

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Yeah that's a very believable scenario.

If they keep Gettleman they're not getting anyone real, and it will be more of the same bullshit that got us here in the first place.

In comment 14677853 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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Absof-ckinglutely.

Just the same mantra too - he's a NJ kid, went to Princeton, has NYG ties, played in the East, etc, etc.

Always has to be these worthless connections to the northeast and/or the Giants.

At this point, I'd rather go someone from the other side of the globe just to stop this non-sense. Anyone good in the Australian Football League that we should consider? ;)

Mara has written a lot of checks since 2017 & the results have been a record of 10-32. He wants to win, just has gotten caught up in half-measured bullshit due to the sentimentality towards Coughlin & Eli.

This from Raanan’s article today:

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Perhaps most disconcerting is Gettleman's philosophical approach. He has built a run-heavy team that prioritizes culture over talent in a league in which talent is imperative, and you score points by throwing the football. The selection of a running back with the No. 2 overall pick (even though Barkley is a great player) can also be viewed as a waste of resources while trying to "win now" when the team had so many premium positions unaddressed.

I think Mara will recognize if he wants the right people in charge to fix it, he’ll have to change the way the franchise operates.
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In comment 14677872 Sean said:

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Mara has written a lot of checks since 2017 & the results have been a record of 10-32. He wants to win, just has gotten caught up in half-measured bullshit due to the sentimentality towards Coughlin & Eli. This from Raanan’s article today: Quote: Perhaps most disconcerting is Gettleman's philosophical approach. He has built a run-heavy team that prioritizes culture over talent in a league in which talent is imperative, and you score points by throwing the football. The selection of a running back with the No. 2 overall pick (even though Barkley is a great player) can also be viewed as a waste of resources while trying to "win now" when the team had so many premium positions unaddressed. I think Mara will recognize if he wants the right people in charge to fix it, he’ll have to change the way the franchise operates. Link - ( New Window )

This is my one hope, and it is where I give him a pass, I think he was too emotionally invested, but now they are all out the door, hopefully he starts thinking clearly again. At least I'm hoping, PS needs to be fired, its clear as day., but he'll get the season because the team hasn't quit. At least outside Baker, but that is more on DG than PS. I think DG gets another coach and they reevaluate again in two years.

Shurmur will get the year because it will be counterproductive to Jones to have him deal with an interim.

Also, there is no clear interim on the staff. 2-14 / 3-13 with Shurmur coaching would be the best thing for the future & the much needed overhaul of franchise structure.

its a lock Dallas fires Garrett so there's that.

As the team collapses down the stretch, it is going to make the case for substantial changes.

In comment 14677579 Drewcon40 said:

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although I do not know the man personally. I am not sure if Shurmur was DGs choice. From what I read here, no.

what a load of crap. The GM hires the guy and now some homer posters try to say it's not his fault who he hired? Holy crap.

I'm sure if the GMen were by some miracle to ever turn it around then all of a sudden DG would be a genius to some of you for the hire.

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In comment 14677579 Drewcon40 said: Quote: although I do not know the man personally. I am not sure if Shurmur was DGs choice. From what I read here, no. what a load of crap. The GM hires the guy and now some homer posters try to say it's not his fault who he hired? Holy crap. I'm sure if the GMen were by some miracle to ever turn it around then all of a sudden DG would be a genius to some of you for the hire.

Easy man, relax. I bolded - "what I read here".

Need a proper head coach and prioritize pass rushers. The next head coach needs to be a star and we need to find guys who can get to the QB

and I hated it the day they made it. Is Barkley a great player or is he a fancy RB who hits 40 HRs but K's 200 times and hits .220 and can't play defense?

In comment 14678138 arniefez said:

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and I hated it the day they made it. Is Barkley a great player or is he a fancy RB who hits 40 HRs but K's 200 times and hits .220 and can't play defense?

I hated the pick too. But once he was picked they should've worked better at getting an OLINE. He's at his bets in open space. He's not going to ever get consistent open space if his line sucks.

IMO the moment you took him on a lousy team - it should've meant you were planning on building a high powered offense.

That the Giants are trying to emulate the cowboys hence the Barkley pick

Imo Dave Gettleman stays and except for a few moves is doing more than Jerry Reese did in his career and next year is DG defining year but Shurmur to me must go no ifs ands or butts and one more shotgun handoff up the middle and it’s rent a plane fly it over Met life time

In comment 14677832 Go Terps said:

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In comment 14677530 Thegratefulhead said: Quote: In comment 14677427 Go Terps said: Quote: Clean out the front office and hand the operation to one guy in a top down military style structure. No more Politburo. How long it takes is up to Mara. If you want a prediction from me, it goes like this: - Bettcher is fired January 2020 - Giants go 5-11 in 2020 - Gettleman and Shurmur are fired January 2021 - Abrams is hired as GM January 2021 - Jason Garrett is hired as head coach January 2021 Nothing changes. I am not sure Shurmur makes the year. He looks in over his head by a LOT. DG gets five years minimum IMO. If I were to predict. Shurmur fired before the end of the year. He loses the team coming out of the bye, it will be obvious. As bad as we have played, he hadn't lost the team(scary). Next game is a blowout loss. I have no idea who will replace Shurmur. The job is more attractive now with the Eli transition done. Job was loser in 2018. This isn't an attractive job with Gettleman being foisted on the new coach.

I disagree, coaches do not routinely get their choice of GM in the NFL.