he was fired the other night. I sure hope Mills faces the media again when he does this - he’ll get slaughtered for his own failures, and rightfully so.
I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.
but Mills has to go. Fiz has been underwhelming, but anyone that had any expectations for this team, even with these signings was sort of living in a dreamworld.
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?
Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?
I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.
A total housecleaning is in order.
Yes, Perry has done a great job outside of not being able to bring in top notch FA. He got rid of Hardaway's albatross of a contract while bringing back 2 firsts. We have our draft picks plus more moving forward. How many years have we not had picks in back to back years? That alone is a HUGE improvement. Imo, he has done enough especially with being surrounded by complete incompetence. The fact he hasn't hindered us between draft picks and financial flexibility is a gigantic plus.
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?
Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?
What do you want him to do? This isn't a video game. If you cannot see how his moves have set us up for the future I don't know what to tell you. Not doing anything is completely different than doing something negative. Every year prior to him coming there were stupid things done. This isn't a terrible situation to come into right now with respect to picks and cap flexibility.
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
is the biggest issue (obviously) and Mills is horrendous... but if you are grading body language... Perry gets an F. Good lord did he look nervous/fidgety and the opposite of what you want to see in the "brains" of an operation.
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
He was dealt this roster by Steve Fucking Mills
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21
Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future
Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship
RE: You guys who want Fizz fired are complete morons Â
He was dealt this roster by Steve Fucking Mills
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21
Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future
Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship
Who is saying this is his fault?
What I am saying is he sucks at coaching. Tell me what he does well besides give soundbites?
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.
It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.
And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.
But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.
It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.
And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.
But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.
We obviously have differing opinions. I have been watching this team for decades. Once Perry was brought in he has pointed us in the right direction. That doesn't mean we are there. And that doesn't mean we will get there. What it means is when he was brought in that things started moving in the right direction. If we landed a top FA or 2 would you be thinking differently? I suspect so. This job is not attractive because of Dolan and Mills. However, take them out of the equation. You don't think a GM would be interested in this job with financial flexibility and picks? I do. That is on Perry. Perry cannot change Dolan and Mills and they still have their hands on this team. Again, if Perry was not here I guarantee we still have Hardaway's albatross of a contract, handed out long term deals, and less draft picks. Imo, he is doing the best job that can be expected under this tutelage of assholes.
As far as Fiz goes, he is very much to blame for the development of these young kids. You cannot just mix up lineups constantly and have no system for these kids to run. It is pickup basketball. That is not coaching. He will leave and look like the scapegoat so people will feel bad for him but he just flat out sucks. Did Lance Thomas get major minutes last year? Way is Taj Gibson starting tonight? Oh, because he played for them in the past? Same shit happened with Portis. That isn't coaching. That is garbage.
needs to fucking go, so does Fizdale. The issue is who at this point in time are you going to find to replace them? Who wants to come to this fucking mess.
Kevin Knox is an awful nba player. Soft and only shoots off balance 3's
Fizdale is a terrible coach. How he leaves Bareett out that long and brings him in when they are down 10 in the 4th is a joke and keeps playing Dennis Smith JR who like I said is an awful NBA player. Fire him and bench Smith and Knox for good. What a fucking joke
it is not going to be porzingis booed oit of the building
I hope they get completely embarrassed on Thursday night. Let the TNT crew just destroy them on national TV and hopefully Dolan gets so embarrassed that he cleans house immediately.
This organization is F'ed as long as Jimmy 'Everyone who criticizes me is an alcoholic' Dolan is the owner. The fish rots from the head. We think Mara is bad. JFC, we've been to 3 Super Bowls/2 titles since the Knicks made their last NBA Finals appearance.
I'm so F'ing depressed with the state of my teams right now.
The team is losing by damn near 20 points every night. They are bad but they are not that bad. What the hell kind of product is this? Get blown out every game? It's pathetic.
The coach has to go. It won't make much of a difference in the long-term but at least they'll be competitive with a real coach.
This organization is F'ed as long as Jimmy 'Everyone who criticizes me is an alcoholic' Dolan is the owner. The fish rots from the head. We think Mara is bad. JFC, we've been to 3 Super Bowls/2 titles since the Knicks made their last NBA Finals appearance.
I'm so F'ing depressed with the state of my teams right now.
His biggest problem is he hires and trusts moron..
if he just hired and trusted the right people he would be a great owner
Look fizdale sucks ass and he deserves to be fired Â
like Donald Sterling was a great owner. He just didn't trust the right people too.
Donald Sterling was a cheap skate and a racist. Dolan is about as opposite that as you can get. Dolans issue is that he has let Isiah Thomas and Steve Mills run this organization for the last 20 years instead of turning the keys over to someone that has a fucking clue what they’re doing.
why couldnt dolan be best friends with jerry west?? Â
Fiz is clearly a bad coach but this roster is awful. They couldn’t have put together a worse or mismatched team. They don’t have 1 above average shooter on the roster. They don’t have any guards that can dribble.
Knox blows another wasted top 10 pick. DSJ might not even belong in the NBA he is awful. And Frank is a backup wing not a point guard. So much for that “young core”.
Just look at Chicago’s roster compared to this dogshit. And they get criticized all the time and it’s light years better than the Knicks - short term and long term. Knicks are officially the worst team in the NBA.
Mitch and RJ are the only building blocks on this team Â
right now. Frank and knox can be pieces off the bench potentially but thats about it .
The number 1 priority with a smart office would be collecting as many assets as possible and building through the draft because they still have a long way to go. However, this genius brain trust is chasing the high priced vets who only care about their own stats instead. Braindead managament
there is no reason they should be 2-9, are they a playoff team? no but they are not get blown out evwry night bad..
If the coach just staggers the lineup a little bit they win tonight..
playing zone was moronic..he doesnt know how to adjust
They don’t even have a legit number 1 option on offense. Or even a number 2.
He is a terrible coach but no one is winning with this team. Only the Knicks could spend 70 million on a 17 win team and make it worse. And Knox blows. He can’t even start for the worst team in the league. He’s a top 19 pick in his 2nd year.
Yep. Low character person with low basketball IQ that the owner trusts and leans on. Give the team to Perry for 18 months and let him hire a coach. It literally can't get any worse.
Dolan sat down with the knicks front office monday and basically read them the riot act...
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
When he says they can keep their jobs if the team “shows progress” I am hoping that means the team the way it is currently constructed. If Mills and Perry put this team together and can with a straight face go to the podium and say it should be a competitive team as they did, then make them prove it.
You cannot let Mills make another big move, especially one that either takes on a long term contract or moves one of the young players. Don’t let this asshole mortgage the future to save his own ass. Make Mills win with the shit he put together, and when it ultimately fails, let the next guy come in and fix it.
Dolan sat down with the knicks front office monday and basically read them the riot act...
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
When he says they can keep their jobs if the team “shows progress” I am hoping that means the team the way it is currently constructed. If Mills and Perry put this team together and can with a straight face go to the podium and say it should be a competitive team as they did, then make them prove it.
You cannot let Mills make another big move, especially one that either takes on a long term contract or moves one of the young players. Don’t let this asshole mortgage the future to save his own ass. Make Mills win with the shit he put together, and when it ultimately fails, let the next guy come in and fix it.
this team is not get blown out by 20 by the cavs bad
Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
i can see them going all innon getting russell
Peak Knicks would be giving up assets for a player they could signed with cap space 6 months ago.
Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
i can see them going all innon getting russell
Peak Knicks would be giving up assets for a player they could signed with cap space 6 months ago.
well they really had no chance to sign him, to be fair
and firing Mills/Perry in the offseason - AFTER they make the draft picks and commit four years to some crappy free agent this summer. Then, we hire a big name executive who hates Mark Jackson and wants to fire him, sparking more dysfunction within the organization. Jackson gets canned after next season, around the time RJ asks for a trade. Meanwhile, one of our current assistants (Mike Miller seems like a good candidate) winds up landing a head coaching gig elsewhere and proves superior to Mark Jackson and whomever we hire to be Mark Jackson's replacement.
If they offered him a max day 1, why couldn’t they sign him? What am I missing honestly asking.
seems to me if Russell had other offers for the full max he would have considered them. He had to know that taking that deal from Golden State would mean he'd be traded at some point relatively soon. If he had other max offers, he'd at least be going to a team where he might stick around for a little longer.
and firing Mills/Perry in the offseason - AFTER they make the draft picks and commit four years to some crappy free agent this summer. Then, we hire a big name executive who hates Mark Jackson and wants to fire him, sparking more dysfunction within the organization. Jackson gets canned after next season, around the time RJ asks for a trade. Meanwhile, one of our current assistants (Mike Miller seems like a good candidate) winds up landing a head coaching gig elsewhere and proves superior to Mark Jackson and whomever we hire to be Mark Jackson's replacement.
Peak Knicks would be all that PLUS RJ Barrett getting his leg amputated.
Mills needs to go, he might be a smart guy, but he is not a basketball guy. Over the past 2 years, he needed to convince KP to stay or sign KD, he did neither, to me he should be let go because of that.
Perry - Best thing I can say about him is that he is not made any bad moves, but outside of getting a 2nd round pick in the Melo deal, he has not really done anything good either.
Fizdale - he runs one play, the curl where Ellington or Knox come to the head of the circle for a 3 pointer. Otherwise, it is all 1x1. You add that in with his inconsistent lineups and game management, he is just in over his head as a coach.
That being said, where do the go for somebody to run the franchise and bring back credibility.
Jerry West - Not going to happen - (Better chance of Isiah returning)
Ujiri - Not going to happen - we should not give up assets to get him
Buford - He is not coming to New York
Presti - He has a treasure trove of draft picks in OKC, he is not coming
To me, that leaves Jeff Van Gundy as big name Dolan hire, but is he really interested? I'm not so sure.
As a result, you have to look for a guy like Tim Connelly from the Nuggets, he almost left for Washington this off-season and he has built an excellent team in Denver.
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Think Dolan should leave things the way they are Â
are this year's version of Durant, Irving and Leonard.
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Of replacing Mills/Perry in the offseason it would be beyond belief stupid (even for him) to have anything more than an interim coach the team.
Also would be beyond belief stupid (even for him) to allow Mills/Perry to make some kind of "trade assets to try to save our jobs" kind of trade.
Of course he will hire a full time coach right away and will allow Mills/Perry to make an awful trade and then fire them in May putting the new executive immediately into a hole. Because Dolan is always gonna Dolan.
are this year's version of Durant, Irving and Leonard.
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Griffin stayed away because he (rightly) didn't want to report to Mills. Phil reported directly to Dolan and had final say. Masai or anyone else on that level would get the same.
are this year's version of Durant, Irving and Leonard.
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Heard that comment too and wanted to hear more ( Kay is a truly awful interviewer. Not to mention him and his clowns were pushing to get Mark Jackson).
I think because of that, a major name needs to come here and completely revamp things. Dolan isn't letting an up and comer have total power. They need someone with serious gravitas to truly change things.
Although Phil had total control, he didn't clean house or install his own front office. In fact he hired only one person to the front office- Clarence Gaines.
It was reported that Phil wanted to replace the medical staff shortly after taking over, and Dolan vetoed it. There's been some question as to whether Dolan demanded Carmelo be re-signed, and we know Dolan vetoed a possible KP trade and fired Phil shortly thereafter. I'm sure Phil was also told certain guys had to remain in the basketball operation as a condition of him getting that fat paycheck. I don't want to sound like I'm defending Big Chief Triangle, but I don't think there's any such thing as true autonomy under Dolan.
He also had to give Mills a piggy back ride for 3 years Â
Did not want to work with Mills, not sure whom would be reporting to whom, but Griffin wanted him out of basketball ops.
Presti is not coming here, unless there is a g-d father offer. He has a treasure trove of draft picks in OKC and complete autonomy.
Re: Presti, I'm not so sure that's true. Of course it would take a big $ offer which isn't something Dolan seems to care much about doing. But, bear in mind Presti has had to navigate a small market which cost him Harden and then Durant. He may find a big market appealing in today's NBA if he gets full autonomy and Mills is shown the door.
A guy called Francesa killing Mike for "creating a narrative" that KP was already causing problems in Dallas after being a headache in NY.
I’m not sure he was “benched” for reasons being insinuated. He had 5 fouls in all of 19 minutes. I’d guess his foul situation was more the reason he was on the bench, but who knows. I didn’t see the game so that’s just my guess
RE: RE: I didn't realize Porzingis was benched the other night in Boston. Â
A guy called Francesa killing Mike for "creating a narrative" that KP was already causing problems in Dallas after being a headache in NY.
I’m not sure he was “benched” for reasons being insinuated. He had 5 fouls in all of 19 minutes. I’d guess his foul situation was more the reason he was on the bench, but who knows. I didn’t see the game so that’s just my guess
A local Dallas article said he was benched for the final 9+ minutes of the game. He was quoted as saying (paraphrasing) he wanted to play obviously, but the coach gets to decide. Doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but I hadn't heard about this at all. If you're someone who believes he was a pain in the neck with the Knicks, you're likely to see it a certain way. Francesa obviously did and spun it that way.
Because they beat Porzingis? Whoopee. Unlike most of you, I don't bear him any ill will for wanting to escape this horror show.
Generally i care more about player development then chasing meaningless wins but in this particular instance, beating KP is satisfying so i dont have to sit and hear how great KP is and how big of a mistake the knicks made in trading him.
Things are bad enough around the knicks but the narrative that KP is a superstar is a bad one. The guy is probably the most overrated player in the league right now. Luka carries the team by himself while KP sits at the 3 point line and all the advanced metrics say they are a better team when he is off the court
with smith dotson knox portis mitch, portis and mitch played well next to each other and with portis, knox and dotson the floor was spread for the lob to mitch..
Smith is at his best when he is attacking in space
RE: I think the mavs are going to regret that contract to KP Â
Hes not a franchise player but hes being paid like 1
Can we at least slow down this talk of contracts always being so detrimental to a team? Look maybe KP fails to deliver in Dallas but Dallas is better with KP than without and he might be excellent for them. Franchise player? Ok, maybe he is maybe he isn’t but he got a double double tonight while blocking shots.
Everything is about the money now. We can’t even properly analyze a player’s worth anymore. This guy is overpaid and that guy is overpaid. The better question or debate is was the team better off with or without the player in question but instead every debate resorts to how overpaid the guy might be.
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Hes not a franchise player but hes being paid like 1
Can we at least slow down this talk of contracts always being so detrimental to a team? Look maybe KP fails to deliver in Dallas but Dallas is better with KP than without and he might be excellent for them. Franchise player? Ok, maybe he is maybe he isn’t but he got a double double tonight while blocking shots.
Everything is about the money now. We can’t even properly analyze a player’s worth anymore. This guy is overpaid and that guy is overpaid. The better question or debate is was the team better off with or without the player in question but instead every debate resorts to how overpaid the guy might be.
actually so far the mavs are better with him off the floor..
KP is a number 2, him and doncic will eventually become a very dynamic duo, but right doncic does it by himself
I think Frank will level off an be a really good backup PG in the NBA. He isn't a starter but he can close games and make a real impact with his defense.
with smith dotson knox portis mitch, portis and mitch played well next to each other and with portis, knox and dotson the floor was spread for the lob to mitch..
Smith is at his best when he is attacking in space
again, missed tonight's game but from the box score it seems like the whole second unit was pretty solid tonight.
that Smith comes around well enough to either start, or be a very solid back-up. Smith with 8 assists and only 2 TOs was huge. We still need to if he can shoot at all, but he might. I would love it if he could start, and let Frank be an important back-up.
he was for the Knicks. He wanted no part of that game yesterday. His skills are unique and surrounded by the right players with 2 other stars he can be a big piece of a championship team. Dallas has one and it will never be enough. I know he's still knocking some rust off but that wasn't the issue.
He was aggressive but under control penetrating to the basket. Was active, if not great, on D. Really got teammates some good shots. Best pure PG performance the Knicks have gotten all year (not high bar, but encouraging).
Frank had foul trouble and his typical shooting woes but he was the only defender who was able to really affect Luka at all.
Randle was rugged but they really can't play him as the "point forward". Terrible with turnovers last night. They can't do this bit where they have him dribble penetrate. He's not LeBron.
RJ's scoring slump continues but he found ways to contribute with passes and really solid rebounds.
Morris' ability to score is impressive.
Fun game and the crowd was electric.
Also, shout out to Taj for being a calm vet presence out there Â
Smith was able to get into the paint and make good passes when there was a little traffic. Thus far I am surprised that he hasn’t shown the ability to break people down one on one, but running some pick n rolls for him wouldn’t hurt.
I just want to beat KP and the Mavericks again
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
He wants to start DSJ and has done nothing to earn those minutes
Not me. As I said in the other thread, I want maximum humiliation for Dolan, Mills, and Perry.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
I hate fizdale and think he shoild be fired but i agree with this, have to fire mills, hire a new president and let him make the decision
I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.
A total housecleaning is in order.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
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Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?
Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?
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as does Fizdale.
I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.
A total housecleaning is in order.
Yes, Perry has done a great job outside of not being able to bring in top notch FA. He got rid of Hardaway's albatross of a contract while bringing back 2 firsts. We have our draft picks plus more moving forward. How many years have we not had picks in back to back years? That alone is a HUGE improvement. Imo, he has done enough especially with being surrounded by complete incompetence. The fact he hasn't hindered us between draft picks and financial flexibility is a gigantic plus.
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Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.
I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.
Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.
Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?
Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?
What do you want him to do? This isn't a video game. If you cannot see how his moves have set us up for the future I don't know what to tell you. Not doing anything is completely different than doing something negative. Every year prior to him coming there were stupid things done. This isn't a terrible situation to come into right now with respect to picks and cap flexibility.
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
Which one? I love Jeff Van Gundy.
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i call van gundy now and see if he is on board, you need a face of the franchise, you need a guy that brings stability, van gundy does that
Which one? I love Jeff Van Gundy.
jeff, i dont want that fat turn stan
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Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21
Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future
Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21
Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future
Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship
Who is saying this is his fault?
What I am saying is he sucks at coaching. Tell me what he does well besides give soundbites?
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Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
We can only hope to outlive him.
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Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.
It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.
And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.
But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.
I kind of agree with Hahn bring in a guy who has done it in new yoek before, outside guys do not work..
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Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?
And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.
The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.
What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?
And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.
It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.
And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.
But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.
We obviously have differing opinions. I have been watching this team for decades. Once Perry was brought in he has pointed us in the right direction. That doesn't mean we are there. And that doesn't mean we will get there. What it means is when he was brought in that things started moving in the right direction. If we landed a top FA or 2 would you be thinking differently? I suspect so. This job is not attractive because of Dolan and Mills. However, take them out of the equation. You don't think a GM would be interested in this job with financial flexibility and picks? I do. That is on Perry. Perry cannot change Dolan and Mills and they still have their hands on this team. Again, if Perry was not here I guarantee we still have Hardaway's albatross of a contract, handed out long term deals, and less draft picks. Imo, he is doing the best job that can be expected under this tutelage of assholes.
As far as Fiz goes, he is very much to blame for the development of these young kids. You cannot just mix up lineups constantly and have no system for these kids to run. It is pickup basketball. That is not coaching. He will leave and look like the scapegoat so people will feel bad for him but he just flat out sucks. Did Lance Thomas get major minutes last year? Way is Taj Gibson starting tonight? Oh, because he played for them in the past? Same shit happened with Portis. That isn't coaching. That is garbage.
he has 4 guys on the floor who cant defend, mixx it up damn
they have a style and they play hard...
Belein is an awesome coach, i was at west virginia when he wss the coach with pittsnoglr and gansey, that team played so hard and was always moving
he has to play, got to get him back into a groove
Seriously. What kind of moron thinks this combination should be on the floor together?
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5 guys who play no defense
Seriously. What kind of moron thinks this combination should be on the floor together?
my biggest problem, he is to slow to make a sub..
and how he has all 3 of morris, randle and barrett all the bench is mind boggling stupid
whichnis even more moronic
this coach is fucking stupid
Hahaha. He is hot garbage.
Fizdale is a terrible coach. How he leaves Bareett out that long and brings him in when they are down 10 in the 4th is a joke and keeps playing Dennis Smith JR who like I said is an awful NBA player. Fire him and bench Smith and Knox for good. What a fucking joke
and in the ppst game all we are going to hear is well he got hot...no he got hot because you played zone fucking defense in the nba..
I hope they get completely embarrassed on Thursday night. Let the TNT crew just destroy them on national TV and hopefully Dolan gets so embarrassed that he cleans house immediately.
I'm so F'ing depressed with the state of my teams right now.
The coach has to go. It won't make much of a difference in the long-term but at least they'll be competitive with a real coach.
I'm so F'ing depressed with the state of my teams right now.
His biggest problem is he hires and trusts moron..
if he just hired and trusted the right people he would be a great owner
They can rotate coaches every 2 years but the real problems start with mills who has been here for just years and years on ineptitude
Donald Sterling was a cheap skate and a racist. Dolan is about as opposite that as you can get. Dolans issue is that he has let Isiah Thomas and Steve Mills run this organization for the last 20 years instead of turning the keys over to someone that has a fucking clue what they’re doing.
Knox blows another wasted top 10 pick. DSJ might not even belong in the NBA he is awful. And Frank is a backup wing not a point guard. So much for that “young core”.
Just look at Chicago’s roster compared to this dogshit. And they get criticized all the time and it’s light years better than the Knicks - short term and long term. Knicks are officially the worst team in the NBA.
The number 1 priority with a smart office would be collecting as many assets as possible and building through the draft because they still have a long way to go. However, this genius brain trust is chasing the high priced vets who only care about their own stats instead. Braindead managament
If the coach just staggers the lineup a little bit they win tonight..
playing zone was moronic..he doesnt know how to adjust
i think keith smart leaves with fizde..
you know what is going to happen? van gundy is going to get the president job with houston as gm
If the coach just staggers the lineup a little bit they win tonight..
playing zone was moronic..he doesnt know how to adjust
They don’t even have a legit number 1 option on offense. Or even a number 2.
He is a terrible coach but no one is winning with this team. Only the Knicks could spend 70 million on a 17 win team and make it worse. And Knox blows. He can’t even start for the worst team in the league. He’s a top 19 pick in his 2nd year.
defensively he needs work, not every top 10 pick is a great player right away, some players take a little longer
Barrett needs to calm down at the free throw line but he can be a legit number 1 or a very good 2..
i dknt like trier or dotson..
You can't play him if this is the output he's going to give you.
Where do I sign up?
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
Good
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Dolan sat down with the knicks front office monday and basically read them the riot act...
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
Good
not good, if mills and perry think they can save their job they are gojng to do something stupid
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
When he says they can keep their jobs if the team “shows progress” I am hoping that means the team the way it is currently constructed. If Mills and Perry put this team together and can with a straight face go to the podium and say it should be a competitive team as they did, then make them prove it.
You cannot let Mills make another big move, especially one that either takes on a long term contract or moves one of the young players. Don’t let this asshole mortgage the future to save his own ass. Make Mills win with the shit he put together, and when it ultimately fails, let the next guy come in and fix it.
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Dolan sat down with the knicks front office monday and basically read them the riot act...
According to his sources Mills and Perry believe they can still save their jobs..
But he also said from who he has talked to he believes fiz is fired during the season and Mills and Perry are replaced at the end of the year
When he says they can keep their jobs if the team “shows progress” I am hoping that means the team the way it is currently constructed. If Mills and Perry put this team together and can with a straight face go to the podium and say it should be a competitive team as they did, then make them prove it.
You cannot let Mills make another big move, especially one that either takes on a long term contract or moves one of the young players. Don’t let this asshole mortgage the future to save his own ass. Make Mills win with the shit he put together, and when it ultimately fails, let the next guy come in and fix it.
this team is not get blown out by 20 by the cavs bad
I think it had more to do with people actually thinking Fizdale was tanking for Zion. So they were ok with it. They gave him way too much credit
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
i can see them going all innon getting russell
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Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
i can see them going all innon getting russell
Peak Knicks would be giving up assets for a player they could signed with cap space 6 months ago.
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Not a good situation to have the President and GM on the brink of being fired and looking for a trade to save their ass. Look at the THJ contract when Mills was solely in charge.
Fire Fizdale, hire Miller as interim. Don’t allow any major moves unless you miraculously get picks for the free agents they signed. Do whatever it takes to get Ujiri and Presti to come.
Please no Van Gundy or Mark Jackson. It’s time to move forward.
i can see them going all innon getting russell
Peak Knicks would be giving up assets for a player they could signed with cap space 6 months ago.
well they really had no chance to sign him, to be fair
Brogdon- 20/5/6 in 25 minutes last night and another Pacers win. Once they get Dipo back they could contend in the East.
Brogdon- 20/5/6 in 25 minutes last night and another Pacers win. Once they get Dipo back they could contend in the East.
because the sign and trade was already in the works, the way the nets made it eork with durant, jordan and kyrie was they had to do the sign and trade
seems to me if Russell had other offers for the full max he would have considered them. He had to know that taking that deal from Golden State would mean he'd be traded at some point relatively soon. If he had other max offers, he'd at least be going to a team where he might stick around for a little longer.
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If they offered him a max day 1, why couldn’t they sign him? What am I missing honestly asking.
Brogdon- 20/5/6 in 25 minutes last night and another Pacers win. Once they get Dipo back they could contend in the East.
because the sign and trade was already in the works, the way the nets made it eork with durant, jordan and kyrie was they had to do the sign and trade
Typical naive bullshit. You make it sound like Russell didn't have a say in all this.
Peak Knicks would be all that PLUS RJ Barrett getting his leg amputated.
Perry - Best thing I can say about him is that he is not made any bad moves, but outside of getting a 2nd round pick in the Melo deal, he has not really done anything good either.
Fizdale - he runs one play, the curl where Ellington or Knox come to the head of the circle for a 3 pointer. Otherwise, it is all 1x1. You add that in with his inconsistent lineups and game management, he is just in over his head as a coach.
That being said, where do the go for somebody to run the franchise and bring back credibility.
Jerry West - Not going to happen - (Better chance of Isiah returning)
Ujiri - Not going to happen - we should not give up assets to get him
Buford - He is not coming to New York
Presti - He has a treasure trove of draft picks in OKC, he is not coming
To me, that leaves Jeff Van Gundy as big name Dolan hire, but is he really interested? I'm not so sure.
As a result, you have to look for a guy like Tim Connelly from the Nuggets, he almost left for Washington this off-season and he has built an excellent team in Denver.
If I'm
Sounds like he needs some more
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Also would be beyond belief stupid (even for him) to allow Mills/Perry to make some kind of "trade assets to try to save our jobs" kind of trade.
Of course he will hire a full time coach right away and will allow Mills/Perry to make an awful trade and then fire them in May putting the new executive immediately into a hole. Because Dolan is always gonna Dolan.
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Griffin stayed away because he (rightly) didn't want to report to Mills. Phil reported directly to Dolan and had final say. Masai or anyone else on that level would get the same.
Woj had an interesting comment on the Michael Kay Show the other day - he said bringing in Ujiri would require some changes to the way the Garden does business. He didn't really expand, and Michael Kay of course didn't ask the appropriate follow-up, but I took it to mean that he'd demand to run things his way with absolutely no interference from Dolan or his lackeys. As evidenced by David Griffin's reluctance last year, the Knicks are still insisting that certain clowns remain in the basketball operation regardless of who they bring in from the outside. It's insane.
Heard that comment too and wanted to hear more ( Kay is a truly awful interviewer. Not to mention him and his clowns were pushing to get Mark Jackson).
I think because of that, a major name needs to come here and completely revamp things. Dolan isn't letting an up and comer have total power. They need someone with serious gravitas to truly change things.
Although Phil had total control, he didn't clean house or install his own front office. In fact he hired only one person to the front office- Clarence Gaines.
Presti is not coming here, unless there is a g-d father offer. He has a treasure trove of draft picks in OKC and complete autonomy.
Presti is not coming here, unless there is a g-d father offer. He has a treasure trove of draft picks in OKC and complete autonomy.
Re: Presti, I'm not so sure that's true. Of course it would take a big $ offer which isn't something Dolan seems to care much about doing. But, bear in mind Presti has had to navigate a small market which cost him Harden and then Durant. He may find a big market appealing in today's NBA if he gets full autonomy and Mills is shown the door.
If he gets any pushback he is not gojng to take the job
I’m not sure he was “benched” for reasons being insinuated. He had 5 fouls in all of 19 minutes. I’d guess his foul situation was more the reason he was on the bench, but who knows. I didn’t see the game so that’s just my guess
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A guy called Francesa killing Mike for "creating a narrative" that KP was already causing problems in Dallas after being a headache in NY.
I’m not sure he was “benched” for reasons being insinuated. He had 5 fouls in all of 19 minutes. I’d guess his foul situation was more the reason he was on the bench, but who knows. I didn’t see the game so that’s just my guess
A local Dallas article said he was benched for the final 9+ minutes of the game. He was quoted as saying (paraphrasing) he wanted to play obviously, but the coach gets to decide. Doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but I hadn't heard about this at all. If you're someone who believes he was a pain in the neck with the Knicks, you're likely to see it a certain way. Francesa obviously did and spun it that way.
He still has not figured out he has no superstars on this team
This organization...Gotta laugh.
This organization...Gotta laugh.
that is not what was said at all..
Windhorst basically said knicks did not want to give up a bunch of assets and basically have nothing else...
Doncic 7-9 free throws all by himself in the quarter.
no you are fine, basically they ripped the knicks for what they praised them for in the offseason
If Melo got as many ticky tack calls as Doncic, he'd still be in the league.
Celebrating with Spike Lee in the 2Q a bit much.
dude we get it, how many shots has randle taken in the 2nd half?
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get paid for their next contract . His priorities are so fucked up
dude we get it, how many shots has randle taken in the 2nd half?
What do you get exactly ? Are you seriously trying to defend randle and how fizdale uses him ?
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get paid for their next contract . His priorities are so fucked up
dude we get it, how many shots has randle taken in the 2nd half?
What do you get exactly ? Are you seriously trying to defend randle and how fizdale uses him ?
no but you keep posting the same exact thing, we get it..
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get paid for their next contract . His priorities are so fucked up
dude we get it, how many shots has randle taken in the 2nd half?
What do you get exactly ? Are you seriously trying to defend randle and how fizdale uses him ?
no but you keep posting the same exact thing, we get it..
Sorry i didnt know you were the board monitor and i can only post 1 time.
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get paid for their next contract . His priorities are so fucked up
dude we get it, how many shots has randle taken in the 2nd half?
What do you get exactly ? Are you seriously trying to defend randle and how fizdale uses him ?
no but you keep posting the same exact thing, we get it..
Sorry i didnt know you were the board monitor and i can only post 1 time.
their your 2 best players with barrett they are going to take the most shots
oh he is an amazing player
there was 1 second on the shot clock
i am sorry i attacked you, i shouldnt of wasnt fair
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Hes not a franchise player but hes being paid like 1
i am sorry i attacked you, i shouldnt of wasnt fair
Its alright thanks
It might not have been a horror show if he actually played in some damn games. Fuck him and his bitch ass brother.
Generally i care more about player development then chasing meaningless wins but in this particular instance, beating KP is satisfying so i dont have to sit and hear how great KP is and how big of a mistake the knicks made in trading him.
Things are bad enough around the knicks but the narrative that KP is a superstar is a bad one. The guy is probably the most overrated player in the league right now. Luka carries the team by himself while KP sits at the 3 point line and all the advanced metrics say they are a better team when he is off the court
Won't be long until KP wants out of there too.
Smith is at his best when he is attacking in space
Can we at least slow down this talk of contracts always being so detrimental to a team? Look maybe KP fails to deliver in Dallas but Dallas is better with KP than without and he might be excellent for them. Franchise player? Ok, maybe he is maybe he isn’t but he got a double double tonight while blocking shots.
Everything is about the money now. We can’t even properly analyze a player’s worth anymore. This guy is overpaid and that guy is overpaid. The better question or debate is was the team better off with or without the player in question but instead every debate resorts to how overpaid the guy might be.
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Hes not a franchise player but hes being paid like 1
Can we at least slow down this talk of contracts always being so detrimental to a team? Look maybe KP fails to deliver in Dallas but Dallas is better with KP than without and he might be excellent for them. Franchise player? Ok, maybe he is maybe he isn’t but he got a double double tonight while blocking shots.
Everything is about the money now. We can’t even properly analyze a player’s worth anymore. This guy is overpaid and that guy is overpaid. The better question or debate is was the team better off with or without the player in question but instead every debate resorts to how overpaid the guy might be.
actually so far the mavs are better with him off the floor..
KP is a number 2, him and doncic will eventually become a very dynamic duo, but right doncic does it by himself
KP again made it sound like there was more than just him wanting to leave..
Frank is the best defender in the league against pick and rolls..
Did you hear what he said postgame? apparently he told fizdale he is ready and understands what he has to do and has the confidence now to do it..
sonpostgame he was asked what does he have to do to take the nrxt step, he says he has to be a dog on the court...i wonder who has been in his ear
Couldn't watch the game (was on the road) but from the box score it looks like Smith was decent, really the first time this year.
Smith is at his best when he is attacking in space
again, missed tonight's game but from the box score it seems like the whole second unit was pretty solid tonight.
Frank had foul trouble and his typical shooting woes but he was the only defender who was able to really affect Luka at all.
Randle was rugged but they really can't play him as the "point forward". Terrible with turnovers last night. They can't do this bit where they have him dribble penetrate. He's not LeBron.
RJ's scoring slump continues but he found ways to contribute with passes and really solid rebounds.
Morris' ability to score is impressive.
Fun game and the crowd was electric.