for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: Knicks chat: Fizdale may change lineup again

nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 3:47 pm
Says he is looking at matchups and what combinations work...

Smith is available to play tonight...

This is why fizdale should be fired, 10 games in and can not settle on a lineup
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 | Show All |  Next>>
You’d think he was coaching a roster of 50, not 15.  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2019 3:54 pm : link
.
I think he's fired  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/12/2019 3:59 pm : link
by week's end.
RE: I think he's fired  
Anakim : 11/12/2019 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14677658 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
by week's end.


I just want to beat KP and the Mavericks again
Fizdale  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.

I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...
For all intents and purposes  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2019 4:03 pm : link
he was fired the other night. I sure hope Mills faces the media again when he does this - he’ll get slaughtered for his own failures, and rightfully so.
this carousel needs to stop  
larryflower37 : 11/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
it's all around the PG and Frank has earned his minutes.
He wants to start DSJ and has done nothing to earn those minutes
RE: RE: I think he's fired  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14677663 Anakim said:
Quote:
I just want to beat KP and the Mavericks again


Not me. As I said in the other thread, I want maximum humiliation for Dolan, Mills, and Perry.
RE: Fizdale  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14677669 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.

I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...


I hate fizdale and think he shoild be fired but i agree with this, have to fire mills, hire a new president and let him make the decision
Mills needs to go  
Eli Wilson : 11/12/2019 4:12 pm : link
as does Fizdale.

I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.
RE: Mills needs to go  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 4:30 pm : link
In comment 14677691 Eli Wilson said:
Quote:
as does Fizdale.

I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.


I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.

A total housecleaning is in order.
I don't even care about Perry  
Jan in DC : 11/12/2019 4:41 pm : link
but Mills has to go. Fiz has been underwhelming, but anyone that had any expectations for this team, even with these signings was sort of living in a dreamworld.
RE: Fizdale  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14677669 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.

I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...


Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.

Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.

Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.
RE: RE: Fizdale  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14677751 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
In comment 14677669 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.

I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...



Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.

Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.

Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.


So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?

Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?
RE: RE: Mills needs to go  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14677718 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
In comment 14677691 Eli Wilson said:


Quote:


as does Fizdale.

I'm not really sure what Perry does other than sit next to Mills, so I'll reserve judgement on him for now.



I see this as a common theme among Knicks fans. But has Perry made one good move since he got here? And his track record isn’t great before he got here.

A total housecleaning is in order.


Yes, Perry has done a great job outside of not being able to bring in top notch FA. He got rid of Hardaway's albatross of a contract while bringing back 2 firsts. We have our draft picks plus more moving forward. How many years have we not had picks in back to back years? That alone is a HUGE improvement. Imo, he has done enough especially with being surrounded by complete incompetence. The fact he hasn't hindered us between draft picks and financial flexibility is a gigantic plus.
RE: RE: RE: Fizdale  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14677757 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
In comment 14677751 robbieballs2003 said:


Quote:


In comment 14677669 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Is a complete joke. But I would keep him over Mills and Perry and it’s not close. Shows you how bad the front office is.

I still can’t get over that press conference. Only the Knicks...



Totally disagree on Perry. This organization took a big step forward once Perry got here. We got rid of Hardaway's contract and signed guys to 1 or 2 year deals to keep our cap flexibility. If he wasn't here I would really hate to think where we'd be right now.

Mills? The numbers speak for themselves.

Fiz? What does he do well? He can never put a group of guys together to gain any continuity. He has no offensive system. He benches guys for long stretches and then out of nowhere he'll start them. He talks about playing defense but never holds guys accountable. He is a joke of a coach. Just because Mills is worse doesn't mean Fiz isn't bad.



So his best move is using Porzingis to dump Hardaways contract and then overpay a bunch of bad players to short term deals?

Don’t you want more from the GM? What big step forward did they take?


What do you want him to do? This isn't a video game. If you cannot see how his moves have set us up for the future I don't know what to tell you. Not doing anything is completely different than doing something negative. Every year prior to him coming there were stupid things done. This isn't a terrible situation to come into right now with respect to picks and cap flexibility.
Perry  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 5:07 pm : link
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?
Dolan  
DanMetroMan : 11/12/2019 5:12 pm : link
is the biggest issue (obviously) and Mills is horrendous... but if you are grading body language... Perry gets an F. Good lord did he look nervous/fidgety and the opposite of what you want to see in the "brains" of an operation.
RE: Perry  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 5:17 pm : link
In comment 14677776 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?


Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.
if the plan is to fire fiz  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 5:31 pm : link
i call van gundy now and see if he is on board, you need a face of the franchise, you need a guy that brings stability, van gundy does that
RE: if the plan is to fire fiz  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14677809 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
i call van gundy now and see if he is on board, you need a face of the franchise, you need a guy that brings stability, van gundy does that


Which one? I love Jeff Van Gundy.
RE: RE: if the plan is to fire fiz  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14677810 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
In comment 14677809 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


i call van gundy now and see if he is on board, you need a face of the franchise, you need a guy that brings stability, van gundy does that



Which one? I love Jeff Van Gundy.


jeff, i dont want that fat turn stan
RE: RE: Perry  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14677794 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
In comment 14677776 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?



Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.


You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?

And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?
SVG as GM,  
Jon in NYC : 11/12/2019 5:45 pm : link
JVG as head coach, Mark Jackson as defensive assistant
You guys who want Fizz fired are complete morons  
Earl the goat : 11/12/2019 5:46 pm : link
He was dealt this roster by Steve Fucking Mills
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21

Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future

Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship
RE: You guys who want Fizz fired are complete morons  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14677824 Earl the goat said:
Quote:
He was dealt this roster by Steve Fucking Mills
And remember him and Perry traded KP
If those two were competent at their job they could’ve convinced KP to sign long term
Imagine a lineup
Mitch
KP
Knox
Barrett
Frank
And with plenty of cap space for 2020-21

Fizz could’ve made that lineup work and we would be looking at a bright future

Thus isn’t Fizz fault
So the morons who want him fired are probably the same idiots who thought Melo was going to bring us a championship


Who is saying this is his fault?

What I am saying is he sucks at coaching. Tell me what he does well besides give soundbites?
RE: RE: RE: Perry  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 5:56 pm : link
In comment 14677815 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
In comment 14677794 robbieballs2003 said:


Quote:


In comment 14677776 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?



Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.



You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?

And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?


Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.
Let’s go get Jerry West  
Carl in CT : 11/12/2019 6:30 pm : link
Turn over the reigns and let him build the thing correctly. (Yes I know he is part of the clippers).
Hell no to any Van Gundys  
Greg from LI : 11/12/2019 7:18 pm : link
.
Fire them all it makes no difference  
TJ : 11/12/2019 7:37 pm : link
We all know there is only one way this team gets better. And as long as it's impossible for dolan to lose money he's going nowhere.I

We can only hope to outlive him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Perry  
TyreeHelmet : 11/12/2019 8:10 pm : link
In comment 14677831 robbieballs2003 said:
Quote:
In comment 14677815 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


In comment 14677794 robbieballs2003 said:


Quote:


In comment 14677776 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?



Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.



You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?

And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?



Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.


Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.

It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.

And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.

But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.
I want Ujiri.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/12/2019 8:17 pm : link
F the costs. Give him the keys to the castle.
RE: I want Ujiri.  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14677939 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
F the costs. Give him the keys to the castle.


I kind of agree with Hahn bring in a guy who has done it in new yoek before, outside guys do not work..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Perry  
robbieballs2003 : 11/12/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14677932 TyreeHelmet said:
Quote:
In comment 14677831 robbieballs2003 said:


Quote:


In comment 14677815 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


In comment 14677794 robbieballs2003 said:


Quote:


In comment 14677776 TyreeHelmet said:


Quote:


Has “done a great job outside of getting a top FA”? He’s the guy who loved saying how he knew Durant from his days in Seattle’s front office. How’d that work out?

And you don’t get credit for not making any bad moves or not trading 1st round picks. The Knicks stopped trading 1st round picks years ago because Dolan hired Mckinnsey as consultants and they suggested that.

The only good thing I could give him credit for is the Melo trade and Robinson pick.

What good FA signing has he made? What good trade has he made? How’s the Knox draft pick looking? You can cite “cap flexibility” but he also didn’t sign any good players and everyone was an overpay. And you’re really praising him for dumping Hardaway in the Porzingis trade?



Yeah, I am. You are the one that said he is worse than Fiz. Not even close imo. Fiz is a detriment to these players. These young kids aren't learning shit from him.



You think he did a “great job” this offseason? In what sense?

And you realize Perry hired Fizdale right?



Why do you want me to repeat what I wrote. Go back and read. Yes, I realize why Fiz was brought in. Fiz was brought in because of his relationships with players around the NBA. They thought it would increase their chances of getting a top player. It didn't work. You cannot make players come. They put themselves in position to get multiple players. It didn't work. Did you see the mess left behind by Jackson and Mills? We are not in a better position now? Again, if you don't see that we are in a better situation than when he took over than I don't know what to tell you.



Fizdale was not brought in to bring in free agents. Coaches have very little to no impact on free agents. He had his choice of jobs- he chose the Knicks.

It is the GMs job to bring in good players. While they cannot force a player to come ( except a Restricted free agent which they couldn’t grasp) you can draft well, trade well and sign good free agents. He’s done none of the above. I don’t understand how he gets no blame for that? That is the essence of of the GM job.

And what mess did he clean up from Jackson and Mills? The Knicks have the worse situation in the NBA currently and are a complete laughingstock around the league.

But aside from all that I guess he’s “done a great job”.


We obviously have differing opinions. I have been watching this team for decades. Once Perry was brought in he has pointed us in the right direction. That doesn't mean we are there. And that doesn't mean we will get there. What it means is when he was brought in that things started moving in the right direction. If we landed a top FA or 2 would you be thinking differently? I suspect so. This job is not attractive because of Dolan and Mills. However, take them out of the equation. You don't think a GM would be interested in this job with financial flexibility and picks? I do. That is on Perry. Perry cannot change Dolan and Mills and they still have their hands on this team. Again, if Perry was not here I guarantee we still have Hardaway's albatross of a contract, handed out long term deals, and less draft picks. Imo, he is doing the best job that can be expected under this tutelage of assholes.

As far as Fiz goes, he is very much to blame for the development of these young kids. You cannot just mix up lineups constantly and have no system for these kids to run. It is pickup basketball. That is not coaching. He will leave and look like the scapegoat so people will feel bad for him but he just flat out sucks. Did Lance Thomas get major minutes last year? Way is Taj Gibson starting tonight? Oh, because he played for them in the past? Same shit happened with Portis. That isn't coaching. That is garbage.
Well this game got out of hand quickly  
Anakim : 11/12/2019 8:43 pm : link
Seemed to go downhill when DSJ came into the game
Morris 0-8 from the field  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2019 8:44 pm : link
and keeps on firing.
i love how the knicks get called for everything  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 8:46 pm : link
morris gets knock down on every shot no call...
Welcome back, RJ Barrett.  
bceagle05 : 11/12/2019 8:48 pm : link
.
fizdale still has not realized  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 8:49 pm : link
you cant go 5 bench guys, you need 2 starters at all times..

he has 4 guys on the floor who cant defend, mixx it up damn
Denis Smith Jr  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/12/2019 8:49 pm : link
knows how to let the other team go on a run...
Watching Cavs 76ers on NBA TV.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/12/2019 8:50 pm : link
Cleveland is my much better than I thought they'd be. Sexton is a good young player. Love Josh Richardson for Philly. Great get for 76ers.
Frank comes back in for DSJ and they cut the deficit back to 5  
Mike in NJ : 11/12/2019 8:50 pm : link
Interesting
RE: Watching Cavs 76ers on NBA TV.  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14677980 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
Cleveland is my much better than I thought they'd be. Sexton is a good young player. Love Josh Richardson for Philly. Great get for 76ers.


they have a style and they play hard...

Belein is an awesome coach, i was at west virginia when he wss the coach with pittsnoglr and gansey, that team played so hard and was always moving
everytime knicks go to zone  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 8:57 pm : link
bulls get a wide open 3
Mills  
TommyWiseau : 11/12/2019 9:13 pm : link
needs to fucking go, so does Fizdale. The issue is who at this point in time are you going to find to replace them? Who wants to come to this fucking mess.
If they lose this game by double digits  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 9:29 pm : link
fizdale should be fired before they get to the plane
refs hate marcus morris  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
..
Knicks are losing to Chicago courtesy of the refs  
GeofromNJ : 11/12/2019 9:38 pm : link
Knicks are 10 of 12 from the FT line. Bulls are 17 of 22. Are you kidding me?
put knox on the bench  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 9:45 pm : link
no defense
Knicks get back within 1 so let’s put DSJ back in  
Mike in NJ : 11/12/2019 9:45 pm : link
So we can get it back to down 10
hahahaha  
nygiants16 : 11/12/2019 9:46 pm : link
..
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 | Show All |  Next>>
Back to the Corner