I know it is a little of apples and oranges but what a difference. It's about coaching and the GM. Rangers share an idiot owner with the Knicks, but look at the difference in their approaches to rebuilding. Rangers and Yankees rebuilt with youth fairly quickly, though the Rangers are a work in progress. Giants and Knicks keep mixing and matching young and old and the "plan" for both keeps changing--the results don't.
Landing the #2 pick for Kakko is probably a game changer.
The Knicks have the wrong people making decisions.
The Giants hired the wrong coach.
Cashman is one of the best GMs in sports.
I think it's all pretty simple.
Rangers also committed to the rebuild. They are shipping out players every year.
Yankees rebuilt on the fly but it hurt them because they weren't able to acquire and even deeper farm system. had they done that they might have had great prospects to trade for Cole.
Rykov
Zac Jones
Joey Keane
Matthew Robertson
Nils Lundkvist
K'Andre Miller
and good depth pieces in Morgan Barron and Henriksson.
Landing the #2 pick for Kakko is probably a game changer.
The Knicks have the wrong people making decisions.
The Giants hired the wrong coach.
Cashman is one of the best GMs in sports.
I think it's all pretty simple.
The Knicks did get the #3 pick, but I was going to say the same. Plus, there's a quirk in the hockey rules that allowed a guy like Fox to fall in the Rangers' laps. But Gorton is a very solid GM and has a very solid scouting staff. Albeit not perfect. Lias Andersson will almost certainly never live up to the #7 pick and that was only 2 years ago. Then again Chytil who was taken later in that first round would have been a fine #7 pick. So it kind of cancels out.
Yankees bank roll shows how much the NFL owes Wellington Mara!
Rangers....thankfully got lucky with draft lottery....and rebuilding 20 players is easier then rebuilding 30 players.....the minimum for football.
But then I hear Boone is the manager of the year. That is kind of funny given that the Yanks have fired their pitching coach and bench coach. So, I am going to hold off on Cashman is a genius again.
Let's pump the breaks on putting those two organizations in the same class. Just because the Rangers seem to be doing things (way) smarter than the Knicks and Giants doesn't mean it's worked yet.
But the Yankees rebuild was about a quick rebuild as you can ask. Cashman is unbelievable. I am not a Yankee fan but if I recall correctly Judge's 2017 was not expected. Then add Gleyber? Smart trades and a great culture.
The Rangers - the jury is still out - They have to get creative with the cap - 2020-21 is the final season for the Henrik and Staal deals (would have been Shattenkirk's as well). So we will see
The Giants - is this a masked rebuild? For all the criticism I usually align my expectations with the front office. So long as ELi was the starter, I hoped against hope that these people are paid well to put a roster together and I am just a fan. Think about all those pre-season expectations. I think one scribe had a pre-season prediction of the 2017 Giants going to the Superbowl.
It's tough to compare sport to sport but this feels like 1999 New York Rangers. For non-hockey fans - GM Neil Smith traded picks and, at the time potential players for the #4 and #9 (I think) picks and selected 2 highly rated prospects that never worked out (Pavel Brendl, Jamie Lundmark) which under normal circumstances would signal a rebuild. That was the summer where Theo Fleury highlighted a free agent spending spree by the Rangers which I can barely recall. They failed to make the playoffs by a large margin and it led to the firing of Smith and then coach John Muckler - but this was sold as a rebuild while going for it. This was pre-NHL cap.
I just realized that may have been unnecessarily long...anyway, this may be what the Giants were thinking - Mara even stated his perfect world scenario would be that we don't see Daniel Jones this year. It seems the Giants thought they can put together a playoff roster and then successfully transition to Jones.
Well, we know Boone has played basketball. :-)
Really, what was the point in switching to Boone after getting to Game 7 with a much younger and less accomplished roster? The whole point was that Cashman thought Girardi could not get us over the hump. I have no idea if Girardi would have done better or worse and neither do you. What I do know is that Girardi probably exceeded expectations every year he was here. I do know that there was no reason to fire him. I do know that we have not been more successful since he left. I do know that the Yankees have fired their bench coach and pitching coach this off season. If this season was so great and Boone is the best, why did we make such significant changes to his structural support system?
So, the Rangers and Yanks have many more exposures to their prospects and systems that weed out prospects.
Giants have a practiice squad and Knicks have the G League, and they will almost never send a high upside prospect to either.
Of course they have been more successful. To say otherwise flies in the face of stats and facts.
The Yankees have won over 100 games the past two years and made the playoffs both seasons. Prior to that, they hadn't won 100 games since 2009.
Furthermore, they hadn't won the division since 2012.
They have 28 more wins in Boone's tenure than the two years prior to him.
What are you arguing?
Different sport but the Rangers are the youngest team in the league. The results are mixed but they don't look like dog shit every game unlike the Giants.
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I do know that we have not been more successful since he left.
Of course they have been more successful. To say otherwise flies in the face of stats and facts.
The Yankees have won over 100 games the past two years and made the playoffs both seasons. Prior to that, they hadn't won 100 games since 2009.
Furthermore, they hadn't won the division since 2012.
They have 28 more wins in Boone's tenure than the two years prior to him.
What are you arguing?
I am arguing the facts. The facts are that the Yankees got to one game of the World Series in 2017 and have not been that close since. Total wins is a meaningless state for a bunch of reasons. The point I thought of firing Girardi was to win the World Series. I guess I was wrong about that.
No, a simple answer of why they fired Girardi and replaced him with Boone would be the proper response.
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A simple "I was wrong" would've sufficed.
No, a simple answer of why they fired Girardi and replaced him with Boone would be the proper response.
They didn't liked girardis mentality. Right or wrong it's why they made the move. He already told you the Yanks won more games with Boone in first two years than 2 previous without him. Last year we had serious injury issues. You can judge Boone vs girardi once Boone has coached as long.
Who is to blame and for what?
What would you as the owner or as the GM done differently to get the Yankees a better result?
Not trying to be combative. I just suggest those questions because I just don't get the concern or grievance or blame or or?
Im sure its me. But I re read it more than once and I don't understand.
Thanks
Who is to blame and for what?
What would you as the owner or as the GM done differently to get the Yankees a better result?
Not trying to be combative. I just suggest those questions because I just don't get the concern or grievance or blame or or?
Im sure its me. But I re read it more than once and I don't understand.
Thanks
Because I really disagree with the notion that Brian Cashman is one of the "Best GM's In Sports"--I don't think there is anything to support that notion. The bottom line is that Theo Epstein saw an issue with Grady Little and made a move. It worked. Would they have won the next year with Grady Little? I have not the slightest of clues. But when you make a decision of firing a guy that got you to game 7 of the ALCS, you are saying that is not good enough. Whether it is GIrardi's mentality or whatever you think is deficient, it is only deficient in winning another 5 games. So, it is a bold move, but it needs to work--like Francona did (and to a lesser extent Dave Roberts getting the Dodgers past the NL which was the thing on Mattingly). In fact, if anything, the real common denominator between the 2017 and 2018-2019 in ability to get over the hump is team construction. Too much reliance on the bullpen running aces every night and not enough situational hitting. To me, that isn't Girardi or Boone, it is Cashman. Cashman has plenty of resources, even if Hal has restricted him somewhat, much more than any other team outside the Red Sox and the Dodgers and our team has not even made a World Series in a decade. So, again, that is not to say Cashman is "terrible" or that he does not know what he is doing, but to say he is one of the "BEST GMs IN SPORTS" is outright ludicrous in my mind. He is a GM who has performed competently, but he also has had a ton of resources, much more than most GMs in any sport. It is also worth noting that when you are the Yankees GM you kinda start on third base, which neither Gorton, Gettleman, or the Knicks GM could do because of the salary cap limitations. Does that excuse the other GM's? No, of course not. They have to be judged within the context of the structural system in which they compete, but the Yanks went from fringe playoff team (2016 just missing playoffs and 2015 just making it) to ALCS, so you need to judge that rebuild and his resources in that context as well.
Please now analyze how many recent GM/Mgr combinations won 103 games with the same number of days missed and injury time to vital SP/RP and position starters.
Then lets look at the two different ways to generate insights
Please don't misunderstand, im fine with any opinion you wish. We don't need to agree. I don't know Cashman at all. Or Boone or Girardi
What I don't get is the degree of certainty you espouse as if its so shut and dry that all who have another opinion are clearly deficient.
Honestly, seems like a lot of emotion/conclusion to load on a slender reed. Feels like all the data supports the idea that Cashman is not the worst and is likely well above average. Best GM eludes me as a metric in baseball
Please now analyze how many recent GM/Mgr combinations won 103 games with the same number of days missed and injury time to vital SP/RP and position starters.
Then lets look at the two different ways to generate insights
Please don't misunderstand, im fine with any opinion you wish. We don't need to agree. I don't know Cashman at all. Or Boone or Girardi
What I don't get is the degree of certainty you espouse as if its so shut and dry that all who have another opinion are clearly deficient.
Honestly, seems like a lot of emotion/conclusion to load on a slender reed. Feels like all the data supports the idea that Cashman is not the worst and is likely well above average. Best GM eludes me as a metric in baseball
The only opinion I profess to be right about is that Cashman is not one of the best GMs in sports. I also think that this comparison is silly given that the Yankees rebuild is always going to be different than other sports rebuilds. For instance, we had the ability to trade Chapman mid year for a prospect and then sign him back when the year is over. That is not so easy in other sports when you have a firm salary cap. So, I just think that before we want to get into an intersport mix and proclaim Cashman the greatest GM in sports, we should view his whole record in its context. Whether or not Girardi would have won the WS in the last two years is anybody's guess and I do not for a second say that he would have necessarily. But, then again, I didn't chose to fire him.
But I’d be happy for him to own the Mets. Imagine him without a salary cap.