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The main reason why this current coaching staff must go

nyjuggernaut2 : 11/13/2019 8:38 am
is the lack of progress/development taking place amongst our young players.

-Saquon's play has regressed, especially his pass protection.
-Daniel Jones continues to struggle with ball security.
-Deandre Baker continues to look lost in the secondary.
-Lorenzo Carter looks like the same player as last season, no jump in his level of play at all, as most of us expected out of him this year.
-B.J. Hill went from arguably being our best D-linemen last season to being completely invisible this year.
-Will Hernandez continues to be up and down, as has Jon Halapio.

These are players that are considered to be the foundation for the future of this team, yet I haven't seen much progress any of their games as the weeks go on. And I blame most of that on the coaching. It's a coaches job to develop talent, which these players have. I fear if Shurmur and Co. get another year it will only further hinder the development of our young players, and set this team back even further.
The coaches need to go but I don't agree with everything you mention  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2019 8:42 am : link
for example, Jones is making mistakes but also looks a lot better than I would have expected year 1. You don't "cure" fumbling in half a season - its usually something that happens over time and at QB, likely takes longer as he adjusts to games speeds, horrible gameplans from his HC, the pressure of extending plays, and not being able to do so effectively singe his line stinks, etc.

In short, Daniel Jones is one of the few players I think is being coached well, which is technically good, but you hope it isn't enough to keep Shurmur's job safe.
RE: The coaches need to go but I don't agree with everything you mention  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/13/2019 8:50 am : link
In comment 14678308 UConn4523 said:
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for example, Jones is making mistakes but also looks a lot better than I would have expected year 1. You don't "cure" fumbling in half a season - its usually something that happens over time and at QB, likely takes longer as he adjusts to games speeds, horrible gameplans from his HC, the pressure of extending plays, and not being able to do so effectively singe his line stinks, etc.

In short, Daniel Jones is one of the few players I think is being coached well, which is technically good, but you hope it isn't enough to keep Shurmur's job safe.


Blows my mind that people think something like that can be fixed in a season. QB is by far the hardest position in sport to play and right now he has 101 things on his plate. As soon as he gains some mastery of pre snap adjustments, post snap reads, things will slow down for him a bit in pocket. I really don't think people appreciate how fast it happens when you are actually back there, looks like slow motion watching from your couch.
Shurmur needs more time  
rocco8112 : 11/13/2019 8:51 am : link
and the Giants want stability. Unless the Giants lose out and pick one overall he is coming back.

Next year this time when the season is over again before November, ownership wil cut Shurmur loose. Although even at that point he still just might need more time. Guy might need four five years to Field a seven win team.
It's highly unlikely the Giants beat  
arniefez : 11/13/2019 9:23 am : link
Chicago, Green Bay or the Eagles either time. Miami is playing much harder than the Giants and their coach has a future. I'm not sure the Giants will win in Washington either. But it's the NFL so we'll see.

If the Mara's bring back Shurmur after a probably 3-13 this year and with a 18-48 career record all you can do is laugh.
REGRESSION is #1 on the list  
ArcadeSlumlord : 11/13/2019 9:24 am : link
there has been zero progress toward a positive future. Gotta clean em out. Either their program sucks, they suck, or the message is being droned out. Either way, it aint working.
you know, it could be some of DG's picks are not that good / JAGs  
V.I.G. : 11/13/2019 9:27 am : link
-Saquon - injured
-Daniel - many great rooks struggled with ball security

-Deandre - could be dumb as rocks
-Lorenzo Carter - could be a JAG
-B.J. Hill - could be a JAG
-Will Hernandez - possibly overdrafted - Braden Smith been better
Hal Hunter is a major issue  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2019 9:39 am : link
The offensive line should be the best since the prime days of Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie but instead it's as bad as ever.

Will Hernandez should be taking a huge step forward this season but instead he hasn't improved at all. None of the other offensive linemen have improved under Hunter. He was a underwhelming hire to begin with and he has been as bad as most of us feared.
Offensive line and secondary  
AdamBrag : 11/13/2019 9:47 am : link
are the two positions most reliant on coaching. Look at our o-line and secondary and draw your own conclusions.
RE: Offensive line and secondary  
V.I.G. : 11/13/2019 9:54 am : link
In comment 14678399 AdamBrag said:
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are the two positions most reliant on coaching. Look at our o-line and secondary and draw your own conclusions.

really? - why not WRs? why not LBs? QB anyone????

seems like a random take - i haven't heard that before
RE: RE: Offensive line and secondary  
AdamBrag : 11/13/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14678414 V.I.G. said:
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In comment 14678399 AdamBrag said:


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are the two positions most reliant on coaching. Look at our o-line and secondary and draw your own conclusions.


really? - why not WRs? why not LBs? QB anyone????

seems like a random take - i haven't heard that before


Because these positions are scheme dependent. For offensive line, it's not just block the guy directly in front of you, it's about developing blocking schemes and having the line play as a coordinated unit. For the secondary, the most effective secondaries mix up and disguise coverage well.

I should have mentioned, QB is the most coaching dependent position since it is also scheme dependent and player development matters a ton.

One way to think about this is look at the teams that are consistently good. They consistently have really strong offensive line and secondary play. Their play at positions like RB, WR, and LB tend to be more dependent on talent levels and vary from year to year.
RE: Hal Hunter is a major issue  
Biteymax22 : 11/13/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14678390 Jay on the Island said:
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The offensive line should be the best since the prime days of Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie but instead it's as bad as ever.

Will Hernandez should be taking a huge step forward this season but instead he hasn't improved at all. None of the other offensive linemen have improved under Hunter. He was a underwhelming hire to begin with and he has been as bad as most of us feared.


People complained about Shurmur's weak resume as a head coach, but look at Hunter's as an Oline coach, way worse. Not only am I confused why this guy is still here, I'm confused how he got here in the first place.
RE: RE: Hal Hunter is a major issue  
AdamBrag : 11/13/2019 11:36 am : link
In comment 14678577 Biteymax22 said:
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In comment 14678390 Jay on the Island said:


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The offensive line should be the best since the prime days of Diehl, Seubert, O'Hara, Snee, and McKenzie but instead it's as bad as ever.

Will Hernandez should be taking a huge step forward this season but instead he hasn't improved at all. None of the other offensive linemen have improved under Hunter. He was a underwhelming hire to begin with and he has been as bad as most of us feared.



People complained about Shurmur's weak resume as a head coach, but look at Hunter's as an Oline coach, way worse. Not only am I confused why this guy is still here, I'm confused how he got here in the first place.


Completely agreed.

Unfortunately, Shurmur was put in charge of bringing in his own staff. The difficulty for Shurmur is that he mainly coached at bad organizations and he likely doesn't know many good coaches. Therefore, he brought in Hunter.
John Mara is . . . .  
TC : 11/13/2019 11:38 am : link
. . . . a mature, somewhat reserved, seemingly nice guy and gentleman who’s been around football all of his life. Not terribly surprising that he may have placed a priority on those same traits when head coach shopping. Too bad that’s not all there is to it.
RE: you know, it could be some of DG's picks are not that good / JAGs  
FStubbs : 11/13/2019 7:26 pm : link
In comment 14678374 V.I.G. said:
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-Saquon - injured
-Daniel - many great rooks struggled with ball security

-Deandre - could be dumb as rocks
-Lorenzo Carter - could be a JAG
-B.J. Hill - could be a JAG
-Will Hernandez - possibly overdrafted - Braden Smith been better


If that is the case, then replace DG.
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