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NFT: He told a kid to slide. Then he got sued.

Mike in Long Beach : 11/13/2019 9:54 am
This is story is remarkable and sad.

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John Suk sits with shoulders slouched and his head down at the defendant’s table in Courtroom 301, a stuffy wood-paneled space inside the Somerset County judicial complex. The 31-year-old middle school teacher scribbles in a notebook as his reputation is shredded.

The plaintiff’s attorneys in Civil Docket No. L-000629-15 have spent two full days portraying the co-defendant as an inattentive and unqualified lout. He is, they argue, a villain who destroyed the future of a teenager he was supposed to protect.

“He must be held accountable for what he did,” one of the plaintiff’s two attorneys tells jurors during opening arguments.

The attacks intensify when Suk takes the witness stand to defend himself on a split-second decision he made seven years earlier. He is accused of taking a reckless course of action that showed a callous disregard for another person's safety.

He sounds like an awful person. Then you remember what Suk did to end up here.

He instructed a player he was coaching during a junior varsity baseball game to slide.

Not into an active volcano.

Not into a shark tank.

Into third base.

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RE: The way you guys are going,  
Amtoft : 11/13/2019 3:17 pm : link
In comment 14679055 Mad Mike said:
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this thread might drag on long as the litigation did. And just as unnecessarily.


Haha true. Now it just messing with Clinton and his less than 2 feet could mean 3 feet or 4 feet.
But he didn't lie  
steve in ky : 11/13/2019 3:17 pm : link
I'm a big stickler for not lying, kind of s pet peeve with me. But he didn't lie, just played their game. Two feet is factually a distance he considers unsafe.

"Q. What distance is not a safe distance for a runner to begin a slide?"

Had the attorney been a little sharper he could have phrased it as what is the minimum safe distance? But that isn't what he asked and I see no reason the coach should have voluntarily stepped into the trap the attorney was attempting to set; especially given the circumstances of lawsuit.

RE: But he didn't lie  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14679060 steve in ky said:
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I'm a big stickler for not lying, kind of s pet peeve with me. But he didn't lie, just played their game. Two feet is factually a distance he considers unsafe.

"Q. What distance is not a safe distance for a runner to begin a slide?"

Had the attorney been a little sharper he could have phrased it as what is the minimum safe distance? But that isn't what he asked and I see no reason the coach should have voluntarily stepped into the trap the attorney was attempting to set; especially given the circumstances of lawsuit.


Oh boy, that's going to make you Gore.
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Amtoft : 11/13/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14679064 Britt in VA said:
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I'm a big stickler for not lying, kind of s pet peeve with me. But he didn't lie, just played their game. Two feet is factually a distance he considers unsafe.

"Q. What distance is not a safe distance for a runner to begin a slide?"

Had the attorney been a little sharper he could have phrased it as what is the minimum safe distance? But that isn't what he asked and I see no reason the coach should have voluntarily stepped into the trap the attorney was attempting to set; especially given the circumstances of lawsuit.




Oh boy, that's going to make you Gore.


Sweet I invented the internet!
RE: RE: But he didn't lie  
steve in ky : 11/13/2019 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14679064 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 14679060 steve in ky said:


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I'm a big stickler for not lying, kind of s pet peeve with me. But he didn't lie, just played their game. Two feet is factually a distance he considers unsafe.

"Q. What distance is not a safe distance for a runner to begin a slide?"

Had the attorney been a little sharper he could have phrased it as what is the minimum safe distance? But that isn't what he asked and I see no reason the coach should have voluntarily stepped into the trap the attorney was attempting to set; especially given the circumstances of lawsuit.




Oh boy, that's going to make you Gore.


Please no, LOL
Clinton Gore, BBI 2020  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2019 3:21 pm : link
Slide or die!
RE: Clinton Gore, BBI 2020  
steve in ky : 11/13/2019 3:22 pm : link
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Slide or die!


If the cleats fit you must acquit!
RE: Clinton Gore, BBI 2020  
Amtoft : 11/13/2019 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14679068 Britt in VA said:
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Slide or die!


Love it!
RE: RE: Clinton Gore, BBI 2020  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2019 3:24 pm : link
In comment 14679070 steve in ky said:
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Slide or die!



If the cleats fit you must acquit!


That coach may just be history's greatest monster.  
Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2019 3:26 pm : link
Who the hell would coach a baseball player to slide? Had he combed the field for shards of glass or syringes to ensure the ground was safe? What had he done to ensure a satellite would not come crashing down to earth before he let this kid up to the plate to hit in the first place?

I bet if you look at his legacy after that day, it is probably littered with broken children he tried to kill just like that poor kid.
RE: That coach may just be history's greatest monster.  
steve in ky : 11/13/2019 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14679077 Mike from Ohio said:
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Who the hell would coach a baseball player to slide? Had he combed the field for shards of glass or syringes to ensure the ground was safe? What had he done to ensure a satellite would not come crashing down to earth before he let this kid up to the plate to hit in the first place?

I bet if you look at his legacy after that day, it is probably littered with broken children he tried to kill just like that poor kid.


He probably tells kids to not bother with wearing seat belts, talk to as many strangers as they can, and eat unsealed Halloween candy. Throw the book at him!

hey, even the pros have problems sliding sometimes!  
Del Shofner : 11/13/2019 3:33 pm : link
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MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )
RE: hey, even the pros have problems sliding sometimes!  
Britt in VA : 11/13/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14679086 Del Shofner said:
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. MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )


1:45! Less than 2 feet!
RE: But he didn't lie  
Amtoft : 11/13/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14679060 steve in ky said:
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I'm a big stickler for not lying, kind of s pet peeve with me. But he didn't lie, just played their game. Two feet is factually a distance he considers unsafe.

"Q. What distance is not a safe distance for a runner to begin a slide?"

Had the attorney been a little sharper he could have phrased it as what is the minimum safe distance? But that isn't what he asked and I see no reason the coach should have voluntarily stepped into the trap the attorney was attempting to set; especially given the circumstances of lawsuit.


Just to be clear...

"Suk’s deposition testimony from three years ago, when the coach said a slide was safe anywhere from outside of two feet"

They already had that.


The thing that really makes me made about this... They never say whether he was safe or not.
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Amtoft : 11/13/2019 4:10 pm : link
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. MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )



1:45! Less than 2 feet!


EXACTLY! see how he falls plus if this was into 3rd he just overshot the base and he is out! Slide less than 2 feet... horrible! hahahaha
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madgiantscow009 : 11/13/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14679142 Amtoft said:
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. MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )



1:45! Less than 2 feet!



EXACTLY! see how he falls plus if this was into 3rd he just overshot the base and he is out! Slide less than 2 feet... horrible! hahahaha
it stinks your child hurt himself sliding into 3rd base.
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madgiantscow009 : 11/13/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14679142 Amtoft said:
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In comment 14679086 Del Shofner said:


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. MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )



1:45! Less than 2 feet!



EXACTLY! see how he falls plus if this was into 3rd he just overshot the base and he is out! Slide less than 2 feet... horrible! hahahaha
it stinks your child hurt himself sliding into 3rd base.
I don't know about anyone else  
montanagiant : 11/13/2019 4:41 pm : link
but within 6' we were taught to forward slide on our stomach. Why didn't the kid do that?

The other aspect is I have seen all kinds of kids that were superstars in 9th grade that became 3rd stringers by the time they were seniors so that argument that he lost any kind of a great sports career is pure speculation
There's all kinds of different slides  
allstarjim : 11/13/2019 5:30 pm : link
Any slide, or playing any sport, has inherent risk associated with it. But so does walking to your mailbox to get the mail.

But there is the pop-up slide, a feet-first slide going over the bag, head first slides to the bag, and slides both feet first or head first around the bag, where the player reaches with their arms to grab the bag.

I know none of this info is a revelation, but the point here is that if the player chooses which slide to perform, then that player can choose a safer option at any distance, even less than two feet away.

The coach shouldn't have said that any slide was dangerous, because you can safely slide within very close proximity to the bag, it's just all relative to the slide the player chooses.
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Amtoft : 11/13/2019 6:04 pm : link
In comment 14679168 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 14679086 Del Shofner said:


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. MLB Worst Slides - ( New Window )



1:45! Less than 2 feet!



EXACTLY! see how he falls plus if this was into 3rd he just overshot the base and he is out! Slide less than 2 feet... horrible! hahahaha

it stinks your child hurt himself sliding into 3rd base.


Actually my son isn't a fan of baseball which sucks for me. He is actually pretty good, but I don't force him to play anything. He prefers football and basketball instead.

That said one of the worst injuries I saw was at a men's adult softball tournament with a player sliding into third... I have never seen a foot in that angle it was disgusting and brutal. I will let him know he can sue his teammate for suggesting to slide.
RE: I don't know about anyone else  
Matt M. : 11/13/2019 11:55 pm : link
In comment 14679185 montanagiant said:
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but within 6' we were taught to forward slide on our stomach. Why didn't the kid do that?

The other aspect is I have seen all kinds of kids that were superstars in 9th grade that became 3rd stringers by the time they were seniors so that argument that he lost any kind of a great sports career is pure speculation
A lot of HS leagues don't allow head first slides, unless diving back into a base.
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