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OT or Edge Rusher in 1st Round

JoeyBigBlue : 11/13/2019 10:53 am
As of today what is your preference for our first round pick?

As of right now my preference is Edge Rusher. This defense is sorely lacking a difference maker. I think we can find a tackle in the beginning of the second round that would start at RT next season, and be groomed to play LT the next season. This would be my best case scenario.

In order  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2019 10:57 am : link
I want Chase Young or Andrew Thomas in round 1.

I agree completely with Sy's suggestion to sign a top OT in free agency along with a center as well as Yannick Nagkoue and then use their 1st and 2nd round picks on another OT and ER.
Depends who is there  
Angus : 11/13/2019 10:58 am : link
Elite Pass Rusher, Elite OT, Elite Ilb/Mlb, Elite Safety.
You draft players not positions  
Touchdown maker : 11/13/2019 10:58 am : link
If it were andrew thomas vs chase young the answer is young. If its thomas vs the field defensively its thomas.

Provided they have the second pick, or third w two qb teams ahead of them Id look to sign conklin and jimmy ward in free agency as my two big pickups. Id draft chase in rd 1 and either a C or ILB if the board fell right at the top of rd 2.
Best player available  
Anakim : 11/13/2019 10:58 am : link
And Chase Young is the best player in the Draft
if we had the choice of the top ER or the top OT in the draft  
giants#1 : 11/13/2019 10:59 am : link
I'd go edge rusher (specifically Chase Young) after signing Conklin in free agency. I'd go for a vet OC in FA as well and then go OT in round 2 (assuming there isn't a dearth by that point) and then look for an interior C/G prospect in rds 4-5 for depth and/or longer term development.
You draft a playmaker in a position of need. Both of those positions  
Ira : 11/13/2019 11:02 am : link
are vital. It's not a question of which position, but which player at either position can be a difference maker.
Clearly the case could be made for either of those positions  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2019 11:03 am : link
and probably a few others

But this is why you create a board and set up your tiers of players based upon scouting and Mel Kiper comments...

:-)
OL but...  
BillT : 11/13/2019 11:04 am : link
It seems Young is the best player and if he's there...
RE: You draft a playmaker in a position of need. Both of those positions  
yatqb : 11/13/2019 11:04 am : link
In comment 14678540 Ira said:
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are vital. It's not a question of which position, but which player at either position can be a difference maker.


Agreed.
Whichever player has the best long term outlook  
Saos1n : 11/13/2019 11:07 am : link
That’s it
Either  
Biteymax22 : 11/13/2019 11:12 am : link
Right now I take Young over Thomas, but only because I think he's a better overall prospect. If neither are there, maybe trade down and take the best available between OT, LB or ER where ever you wind up.
OT or Edge Rusher in 1st Round  
leinad : 11/13/2019 11:13 am : link
players i'm fine with in first round

1a)chase young-if he his available i don't see how you could pass on him unless you were overwhelmed with a trade proposal

1b)thomas,wirfs or leatherwood ot's

1c) simmons or delpit
Offensive Tackle for sure...  
M.S. : 11/13/2019 11:18 am : link

...unless one doesn't care about the career development/progress of Daniel Jones.
If we are in position to take  
Dankbeerman : 11/13/2019 11:19 am : link
the top edge rusher we have to take him. If by some strangeness we win a few games and are picking out of the top 5/6 I would take the best OL guy. I dont like all the edge guys that come up to the top through the pre draft process. those guys are too risky vs the OL. Would prefer to pay Yanick then draft a bust.

We need multiple tackles. I would sign a RT and draft a LT even if he needs a year before we get rid of Solder.
Need a real blue chip pro bowl level player on both lines  
Heisenberg : 11/13/2019 11:20 am : link
Need both, really.
You  
TommyWiseau : 11/13/2019 11:22 am : link
take Young if he is available UNLESS a team in the 5 to 7 range are willing to pay a kings ransom to move up, then you move down and take the best available OT. Young is my favorite pass rushing prospect to come out in years
Edge Rusher  
mavric : 11/13/2019 11:24 am : link
OT's are such a risky pick. More wash out than become stars in the league. An elite OT needs size, extreme physical skills, and most of all, a very high IQ. We've rolled the dice with Flowers, Pugh, etc., and the history of OTs that never panned out is endless, (Gallery, Joeckel, etc.) not to mention, we already have Solder and Zeitler (first round picks), Hernandez (high second pick) and that is not exactly working out for us. Last year we had first round picks Flowers and Fluker and neither worked out for us.

Hence, I am extremely nervous about burning a high first round pick on a lineman. Ever since I wanted Gallery, I have never been the same.

As I have stated in the past, if we draft offensive linemen, I hope we target Wisconsin Badgers as they routinely churn out the best linemen in the country and usually fly a little under the radar.

Short answer: If Young is on the board, you run as fast as you can to the podium and pick him!
Go BPA. If the Giants have a top-5 pick,  
81_Great_Dane : 11/13/2019 11:30 am : link
they'll have their pick of a bunch of playmakers. A tackle would be great. An edge rusher would be great. Just get an All-Pro talent. I don't care about the position, I want greatness.
I have hardly watched CFB this year so rely on the media  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/13/2019 11:32 am : link
that reports Chase Young is
1) best player in CFB this year bar none
2) better than either the Bosa brothers

Now I will watch tape at some point and form my own opinion, but Giants' championship teams have been previously constructed with elite ERs like LT, Strahan, Tuck, Osi (not my favorite example), Banks...

And OK at best OLTs like Benson, Elliot, Diehl.

You grab the elite ER if one is there and don't look back. Nor do you trade down.

For all the bitching and moaning on BBI...

Surely this was Gettleman's plan all along!
RE: Edge Rusher  
BleedBlue : 11/13/2019 11:32 am : link
In comment 14678594 mavric said:
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OT's are such a risky pick. More wash out than become stars in the league. An elite OT needs size, extreme physical skills, and most of all, a very high IQ. We've rolled the dice with Flowers, Pugh, etc., and the history of OTs that never panned out is endless, (Gallery, Joeckel, etc.) not to mention, we already have Solder and Zeitler (first round picks), Hernandez (high second pick) and that is not exactly working out for us. Last year we had first round picks Flowers and Fluker and neither worked out for us.

Hence, I am extremely nervous about burning a high first round pick on a lineman. Ever since I wanted Gallery, I have never been the same.

As I have stated in the past, if we draft offensive linemen, I hope we target Wisconsin Badgers as they routinely churn out the best linemen in the country and usually fly a little under the radar.

Short answer: If Young is on the board, you run as fast as you can to the podium and pick him!



Just because it failed in the past doesn't mean you can't go OT again. That's a silly take. I want young but Thomas by all accounts should be a solid pro and is definitely a solid prospect..if he flops, it happens. You're saying edge rushers never flop? I'll give you an Ohio State guy since that's where young is from....Vernon gholston. A "can't miss" pass rusher.

Shit happens. Take BPA and don't look back. Me? I'd like young in first and a guy like becton(OT) in the second. I would also sign a vet OT, an ILB like j shobert and maybe a FS or C
RE: RE: Edge Rusher  
Jay on the Island : 11/13/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14678610 BleedBlue said:
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Just because it failed in the past doesn't mean you can't go OT again. That's a silly take. I want young but Thomas by all accounts should be a solid pro and is definitely a solid prospect..if he flops, it happens. You're saying edge rushers never flop? I'll give you an Ohio State guy since that's where young is from....Vernon gholston. A "can't miss" pass rusher.

Shit happens. Take BPA and don't look back. Me? I'd like young in first and a guy like becton(OT) in the second. I would also sign a vet OT, an ILB like j shobert and maybe a FS or C

I would be thrilled with Chase Young in round 1 and Mekhi Becton in round 2. Sign RT Conklin in FA to play RT and let Becton compete for the LT job.
Best case scenerio  
Payasdaddy : 11/13/2019 11:34 am : link
If u can’t get chase young, trade down a couple spots, hopefully pick up an
3 and 4 to move down a few spots
Draft wirfes or Thomas
Sign Conklin , resiign golden and l Williams
Sign a real Lb and safety
Remaining draft Picks 8?
Wr since it’s deep, maybe even in rd 2. Center
The rest fill in d
We may have to wait for impact pass rusher until 2021. Too many holes
Love Andrew Thomas  
Nine-Tails : 11/13/2019 11:42 am : link
But if Young is available, no way can I pass. Plus it’s looks like a decent ot group, maybe someone good is there in rd2
OT.  
jogo1 : 11/13/2019 11:48 am : link
They went BPA with Barkley, then took a franchise QB at 6 this year. If they don't quickly find plus players to replace Remmers, Solder, and Halapio, Barkley and Jones may not even make it to their second contracts.
Classic BBI false dichotomy 'edge vs ot'  
idiotsavant : 11/13/2019 11:48 am : link
I'd add free safeties and inside linebackers to that pool.

And if it's me choosing... not the OT.

First run a rational offense . One worth investing in.
Too early for this...  
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2019 11:49 am : link
let's just focus on getting a possible blue chipper on defense
As much as I'd like the Giants to draft O-Line talent in 2020...  
Klaatu : 11/13/2019 11:51 am : link
If Chase Young is there when we're up, they've got to draft him.

We'd probably lose out on the top OT's, not to mention an OC like Biadasz, so OL's on Day 2 would be an imperative for me, and Day 3, as well. Cluster-draft 'em. Looks like a good year to do it, too.
RE: Classic BBI false dichotomy 'edge vs ot'  
Klaatu : 11/13/2019 12:00 pm : link
In comment 14678652 idiotsavant said:
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I'd add free safeties and inside linebackers to that pool.


Except that Free Safeties and Inside Linebackers could very well be available in free agency. Outside Linebackers, too. Good, young players with proven track records who would be worth the cost.

On the other hand, the best free agent ER's will cost a small fortune (maybe not so small), and the OT's who might be available are either old, have injury concerns, or haven't played well since they've been in the league.
RE: RE: Classic BBI false dichotomy 'edge vs ot'  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14678677 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14678652 idiotsavant said:


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I'd add free safeties and inside linebackers to that pool.



Except that Free Safeties and Inside Linebackers could very well be available in free agency. Outside Linebackers, too. Good, young players with proven track records who would be worth the cost.

On the other hand, the best free agent ER's will cost a small fortune (maybe not so small), and the OT's who might be available are either old, have injury concerns, or haven't played well since they've been in the league.


on point...
WR is also a need  
Milton : 11/13/2019 12:03 pm : link
The Giants have a bunch of slot receivers and no #1. If a WR is BPA then he or she should be the pick without hesitation.
RE: In order  
Tuckrule : 11/13/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14678524 Jay on the Island said:
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I want Chase Young or Andrew Thomas in round 1.

I agree completely with Sy's suggestion to sign a top OT in free agency along with a center as well as Yannick Nagkoue and then use their 1st and 2nd round picks on another OT and ER.


love this idea. I do love thomas if chase is gone. Dave Te mentioned the temple center. I watched some youtube clips on him he looks very good. I would not mind doubling up on a tackle and center round 1 and 2.
RE: RE: In order  
Chip : 11/13/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14678708 Tuckrule said:
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In comment 14678524 Jay on the Island said:I agree as well unless the Clemson QB comes out and we have a shot at him.


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I want Chase Young or Andrew Thomas in round 1.

I agree completely with Sy's suggestion to sign a top OT in free agency along with a center as well as Yannick Nagkoue and then use their 1st and 2nd round picks on another OT and ER.



love this idea. I do love thomas if chase is gone. Dave Te mentioned the temple center. I watched some youtube clips on him he looks very good. I would not mind doubling up on a tackle and center round 1 and 2.
I mean. The Vikings ran 10. Fucking TEN  
idiotsavant : 11/13/2019 12:11 pm : link
Zone runs in.a.row. on our rivals the frigging cowboys . On the cow fucking boys.

System is a big part of our problem on O right now. Show something before you get new toys.

Regarding free safeties. The Jets game ought to have shown us the value of drafting our own ones .. and high picks at that.

I mean, one safety beat our star guard, our star rb, and our star QB.. all on one play!

Hello?!

Defense is the biggest need on  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/13/2019 12:25 pm : link
This team by far. I think we need to take the best available player on Defense. Hopefully a guy like Young drops to us. A good tackle can be found on the Free Agent market. A difference maker on defense is really really hard to find.
RE: WR is also a need  
Klaatu : 11/13/2019 12:30 pm : link
In comment 14678690 Milton said:
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The Giants have a bunch of slot receivers and no #1. If a WR is BPA then he or she should be the pick without hesitation.


Screw that.

Once upon a time the Giants passed up Aaron Donald and Zack Martin to draft Julie McCoy. Let's hope they never do that again.
Overall defense IS the biggest need, BUT  
Red Dog : 11/13/2019 12:32 pm : link
this team has to have two OTs and a Center to protect the massive investments in Jones and Barkley.

So they had better use at least a couple of high choices (top 3 rounds) on the OL this year.
What the Giants do  
Beer Man : 11/13/2019 12:33 pm : link
in Free Agency will probably play into the decision.
RE: RE: WR is also a need  
Jimmy Googs : 11/13/2019 12:39 pm : link
In comment 14678762 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14678690 Milton said:


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The Giants have a bunch of slot receivers and no #1. If a WR is BPA then he or she should be the pick without hesitation.



Screw that.

Once upon a time the Giants passed up Aaron Donald and Zack Martin to draft Julie McCoy. Let's hope they never do that again.


Klaatu beating me to the punch twice in same thread.

No dice with elite WRs for a while.

I would be fine with second tier guys all day long, and if they turn into first tier guys then so be it...then you measure their attitudes vs team value at that time and decide whether or not to keep.
3-4 DE/T  
giantsFC : 11/13/2019 1:23 pm : link
We have not spent enough resources on them

Or another OG or if lucky a CB.

We don't need pass rushers, LB, WR under Gettleman.
RE: I have hardly watched CFB this year so rely on the media  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/13/2019 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14678609 BlueLou'sBack said:
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that reports Chase Young is
1) best player in CFB this year bar none
2) better than either the Bosa brothers

Now I will watch tape at some point and form my own opinion, but Giants' championship teams have been previously constructed with elite ERs like LT, Strahan, Tuck, Osi (not my favorite example), Banks...

And OK at best OLTs like Benson, Elliot, Diehl.

You grab the elite ER if one is there and don't look back. Nor do you trade down.

For all the bitching and moaning on BBI...

Surely this was Gettleman's plan all along!

I would take a unicorn Orlando Pace/Ogden level prospect over Young, and I think Young is best ER prospect since LT. I don't think there is one in this draft.
RE: RE: WR is also a need  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/13/2019 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14678762 Klaatu said:
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In comment 14678690 Milton said:


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The Giants have a bunch of slot receivers and no #1. If a WR is BPA then he or she should be the pick without hesitation.



Screw that.

Once upon a time the Giants passed up Aaron Donald and Zack Martin to draft Julie McCoy. Let's hope they never do that again.

They were bbi's favorites. I guess we can thank Mcadoo wco for drafting a Z receiver high instead.

Mine was Ebron, but we can thank Detroit.
If we have a top 3 pick, as looks likely,  
Don in DC : 11/13/2019 3:16 pm : link
I would like to see us trade down, if possible, with a team looking to pick up one of the highly rated QBs coming out next year.

We still have a lot of holes. If, for example, we can grab an extra second round pick by trading down from 3 to 6, it will be totally worthwhile.
An extra 2nd round pick?  
nochance : 11/13/2019 4:54 pm : link
and an extra 1 the following year minimal!
i kind of have a feeling Chase Young  
Platos : 11/13/2019 5:41 pm : link
is going to fall down some boards after some scouting...

don't be too surprised.
1. Young 2. Thomas  
Breeze_94 : 11/13/2019 7:11 pm : link
How would everyone rank the Giants needs?

1. OT (Both sides!)
2. EDGE
3. FS (Could be lower if Love shows something)
4. ILB
5. C
6. WR (Love Slayton so far but another outside guy is needed)
7. CB
There are  
GoDeep13 : 11/13/2019 7:11 pm : link
OTs in this draft I like as much as Andrew Thomas.

Chase Young is a class his own.
RE: i kind of have a feeling Chase Young  
GoDeep13 : 11/13/2019 7:13 pm : link
In comment 14679244 Platos said:
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is going to fall down some boards after some scouting...

don't be too surprised.

If he falls it’ll be because of interviews or Failed drug test. I don’t see how he doesn’t absolutely demolish the combine.
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