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For draft positioning who do we want to win: Jets vs Wash?

Tom in NY : 11/13/2019 12:13 pm
Both of them could finish with worse records than the Giants and draft right in front of them...and both will probably want Young (DE OSU) or Thomas (OT GA).
Who is more likely to win a 3rd or 4th game this season?
Wash easy..  
nyballa0891 : 11/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
Can def see the jets stealing a couple down the line.. washington not so much
I think Washington  
uther99 : 11/13/2019 12:15 pm : link
Giants beat Washington so they have a tie breaker if we're tied.
Rarely do I just say throw in the towel and tank  
Leg of Theismann : 11/13/2019 12:29 pm : link
But at this point, I really want Chase Young on this team. A pass rusher like that could really change this defense, and add to that if we can actually find a way to build an OL through FA, I think that's the shortest distance between where this team is now and being at least respectable. I know they aren't making the playoffs this year (which is sad because I thought the whole point of this regime was to be set up to win in 2020 and beyond) but the best we can hope for some sort of quick turnaround that has us playing meaningful football in November. Then maybe we hope for meaningful football in December in 2021, and then in 2022 maybe a division title /playoff spot. That's the trajectory I'm hoping for, hopefully Barkley is still on this team (he does have a 5th year option we can pick up, correct?).

I do think to get there we need to make a coaching change ASAP, though. Gettleman can have another year, that's fine, but we need a new HC. Shurmur is not NFL HC material, period. We all see it.
Donít think it matters ...  
Spider56 : 11/13/2019 12:29 pm : link
Both already have their young QBs and both need Offensive Linemen in the next draft. This will be an interesting game that could be played in very windy conditions. Both teams have marginal coaches and decent pass rushes ... Darnold Ďs mobility may be the difference.
Sorry meant to say  
Leg of Theismann : 11/13/2019 12:29 pm : link
I know they aren't making the playoffs next* year.

This year is quite obvious.
It would be.fool hearty not to.trade.down  
George from PA : 11/13/2019 12:57 pm : link
Way too many holes....if you are Washington....at least as it is targeting Chase Young. They have a solid DL.
And with shurmur leading the way....  
thrunthrublue : 11/13/2019 1:00 pm : link
How does this team NOT tank?
The tiebreak for draft order  
ray in arlington : 11/13/2019 1:03 pm : link
is strength of schedule, not head-to-head.

Excluding common games, the opponents records are:

NYG 6.5-12.5 (i.e. total records of ARI and TB)
WAS 13-5 (i.e. total records of SF and CAR)

so the Giants should easily take this tiebreak.

NYG 40-44
MIA 40-42

This is obviously very close.

So you can consider that the Giants have a much better chance of winning draft order tiebreak vs WAS than MIA.
Washington  
Mike in NY : 11/13/2019 1:03 pm : link
Darnold and Bell have beaten Dallas this year so it is not inconceivable that they steal a win or two later this year. Also, I do not see Jets targeting Chase Young whereas Washington could go that direction. Additionally, if someone is going to offer a boatload to trade up, I don't want a division rival (Washington) receiving the picks.
I think Washington.  
NBGblue : 11/13/2019 1:12 pm : link
If the Skins don't beat the Jets the only other game they might win all year is the one against NYG, while the Jets still play Cincy and Miami.

So, if NYG lose all the rest of their games (possible to likely) they'll be 2-14

If NYJ lose to Wash, and beat either Cincy or Miami they'll be 3-13.

If Wash beats the Jets and the NYG, they'll be 3-13.

But, if the NYJ beat Wash, I don't see Wash doing any better than 2-14 (i.e. a win over NYG), and I'm not sure who wins the tie breaker in that case.
sorry I obviously should have put the Jets tiebreak, not miami  
ray in arlington : 11/13/2019 1:13 pm : link
It is

NYG 40-44
NYJ 40-41

RE: I think Washington.  
Mike in NY : 11/13/2019 3:36 pm : link
In comment 14678848 NBGblue said:
Quote:
If the Skins don't beat the Jets the only other game they might win all year is the one against NYG, while the Jets still play Cincy and Miami.

So, if NYG lose all the rest of their games (possible to likely) they'll be 2-14

If NYJ lose to Wash, and beat either Cincy or Miami they'll be 3-13.

If Wash beats the Jets and the NYG, they'll be 3-13.

But, if the NYJ beat Wash, I don't see Wash doing any better than 2-14 (i.e. a win over NYG), and I'm not sure who wins the tie breaker in that case.


Unless SF tanks, in all likelihood the Redskins will likely end up with the tougher SOS than the Giants because they have SF/CAR while we have ARI/TB as the unique opponents. I still say a Washington victory is better because it gives the Giants more leeway. If Washington loses to the Jets I don't see them being better than 2-14 and I think it is possible that the Giants win a game the rest of the way.
I think the Jets can still get to 5/6 wins  
UConn4523 : 11/13/2019 3:39 pm : link
so Washington winning would be better for draft position, IMO
Washington. Thereís a chance Wash can still take a QB. Jets wonít  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/15/2019 11:40 am : link
Draft a QB
Well  
5BowlsSoon : 11/17/2019 7:47 pm : link
I donít think we have to worry about the Jets coming below us now.

So, it looks like Cinci and Washington will come below us UNLESS they beat us and we end up tied. I guess itís possible if we are tied we may pick before them. I guess I will have to read Ray more closely soon.

So, now only Miami and us have 2 wins. So as of today, we would be picking 3 or 4. Not sure who has tie breaker.

Cinci...0
Wash....1
Dolphins, Giants...2

A bunch Of teams have 3....
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