I think we can all mostly agree that the New York Giants should make a change at the Head Coach position. Obviously many on here have been putting forward various potential candidates on who that role should go to and I do believe San Francisco 49ers Defense Coordinator Robert Saleh would be an great hire.
Firstly he is still relatively young and would be a first time Head Coach that doesn't have a direct tie to this organisation which I see as a positive rather than something to frown upon considering that this franchise has mostly opted to go in the opposite direction. His CV pretty much speaks for itself and from what I understand he has been involved in some very successful tenures at each team he has worked with. Not to mention he has also worked at three three NFL franchises which serves as a great learning experience and has been a major factor in turning a once failing organisation into a successful team this year with the 49ers.
So why would he be a great fit for the Giants? Well obviously he is a Defensive minded coach which most would agree suits us well and has provided much success with Edge rushing which is something this franchise can appreciate. As I touched upon previously, he doesn't have any direct links to the Giants which we all know is something that is valued here. However he did start his coaching journey on that tragic day in 2001, a time when his brother was working at the World Trade Center and was caught up in the tragic events of that day. Saleh has specifically mentioned that what happened on that day and how it personally effected him had helped him to find his purpose in life and that was Football. It would be fitting if he could come to the city where such a devastating event that effected us all had also helped to give him that purpose that led to himself becoming the Head Coach of this city's Football team, the New York Giants.
I would go as far as saying out of most names being suggested for the role, Saleh makes to the most sense to me and has shown the most promise when it comes to potential first time Head Coaches.
But on the other hand, I think a lot of DCs could generate similar results with the talent base he has in San Fran. So I'm not sure, really, how much of what we are seeing is due to Saleh's coaching.
Super rah-rah guys always bother me. Mike Singletary was like that.
For all we know, Saleh could be the next bust at HC waiting to happen.
If we're talking a year from now, and his team has continued to play at a championship level, then sure he's a good candidate.
What happened from 2018 to 2019??
What happened from 2018 to 2019??
Bosa.
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...I was also surprised that in 2018, the 49ers only caused 7 total turnover. Seven!
What happened from 2018 to 2019??
Bosa.
X2
You want him because he’s young and energetic on the sidelines. Beyond that you have no idea what kind of coach he is.
Total fail.
IMO - The Giant's next head coach must have the ability to attract and hire a good staff. That is the most important thing. OL and DL coaches are critically important.
I have no problem letting Shurmur go IF there is someone who is THE ANSWER. We let TC go and settled for BM, we let BM go and settled for Shurmur. Was anybody really EXCITED about those moves?
See who is out there. If there are no great choices, then give him one more year.
Barring a surprise run Jason Garrett is going to be fired in Dallas. That will also free up Rod Marinelli. Richard could bring Marinelli over as his DC here which makes him an even more attractive candidate.
No doubt he has a bright future and I hope at the very least we interview him if PS (pleeeeze) gets canned.
If he sells it at the interview and Mara can for once think outside the box, I would welcome him with open arms.
Barring a surprise run Jason Garrett is going to be fired in Dallas. That will also free up Rod Marinelli. Richard could bring Marinelli over as his DC here which makes him an even more attractive candidate.
He would be another candidate I would strongly consider, honestly I would be happy with either.
Also to others noting my points, I just didn't feel like stating the obvious so I decided to look at other factors on why I find him interesting as a potential candidate for the role.
I think the best background is someone who has been both an NFL coach (not HC, but a coach) AND a successful college HC.
A coach with that background is familiar with the NFL game and is used to managing and motivating a team.
I’ve been really looking into the likely available HC candidates and the guys that come to the top, for me, are Dave Toub and Matt Rhule.
Also, while Saleh's sideline antics are fantastic for getting his D fired up, certain personality types are better suited as coordinators than head coaches.
On the flip side, given Shurmur's personality, he probably needed someone more like Saleh to run his D than Bettcher, and I'm talking personality wise, not scheme.
On offense, I've been touting shanny Jr since before Macadoo. He's occupied . So, Chris Morgan OL coach from falcons and Robert Turner Jr running backs from 9ers would know that system. Others as well or great generalists. Maybe even shula jr I have no idea.
One thing is for sure. You need an honest chain of command where unit or positional coaches serve the coordinators and on up the chain without feeling that they have special status or position once things start . Obviously a specialist HC can dive jnti a unit
One can imagine that Bill Belichick has a unique blend of being able to congenially ask his coordinators and staff for feedback and information, ..but also has dictatorial powers each week. Deservedly so.
Steve would know how that blend fits into the weekly routine or method and culture.
I know Mcvay broke the age barrier, but I’d have serious reservations handing the reins over to a 33 year old
On offense, I've been touting shanny Jr since before Macadoo. He's occupied . So, Chris Morgan OL coach from falcons and Robert Turner Jr running backs from 9ers would know that system. Others as well or great generalists. Maybe even shula jr I have no idea.
One thing is for sure. You need an honest chain of command where unit or positional coaches serve the coordinators and on up the chain without feeling that they have special status or position once things start . Obviously a specialist HC can dive jnti a unit
One can imagine that Bill Belichick has a unique blend of being able to congenially ask his coordinators and staff for feedback and information, ..but also has dictatorial powers each week. Deservedly so.
Steve would know how that blend fits into the weekly routine or method and culture.
I played lacrosse with steve. This is not even remotely a possibility
During these early evening meetings the whole side staff are present top to bottom and the rule is 'totally open speech'.
You can say your mother wears army boots, suggest or critique any football aspect with regards to the next opponent and say anything and it's not taken personally.
Coach goes into his office until 9 or 10 pm as they wait for him and work.
When he comes out it's a totally different protocol and vibe.
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Dictatorship by the HC (and or DC)- and the weeks orders are handed down without discussion and which must be executed to a T.
In this way - you air any bullshit or possible blind spots in the early evening on Monday but also set the plan clearly for each week in the late evening that same night.
IMHO good organizations find ways to blend very open communications with very necessary heirarchy and authority
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If so, he could bring his own defensive backs and linebackers coach. Keep betcher but make betcher use and implement his (Steve's) system.
On offense, I've been touting shanny Jr since before Macadoo. He's occupied . So, Chris Morgan OL coach from falcons and Robert Turner Jr running backs from 9ers would know that system. Others as well or great generalists. Maybe even shula jr I have no idea.
One thing is for sure. You need an honest chain of command where unit or positional coaches serve the coordinators and on up the chain without feeling that they have special status or position once things start . Obviously a specialist HC can dive jnti a unit
One can imagine that Bill Belichick has a unique blend of being able to congenially ask his coordinators and staff for feedback and information, ..but also has dictatorial powers each week. Deservedly so.
Steve would know how that blend fits into the weekly routine or method and culture.
I played lacrosse with steve. This is not even remotely a possibility
Gotta ask, why?
So, in organisations one must follow through as directed (dbacks and unit staff).
But, by the same token, there also has to be a venue (within the week but not ongoing all week, at a proscribed time and that's it) for unit staff to communicate -anything- up the chain with zero fear of repurcussion.
If folks are on tenderhooks it never works.
11-19. This time around.
Too early to tell otherwise. I'd rather we had their front office.
You want him because he’s young and energetic on the sidelines. Beyond that you have no idea what kind of coach he is.
Total fail.
I like his bald head......
But there are plenty of examples of coordinators who do great with great players, and can suck with sucky players...
Exhibit A: Spags
Exhibit B: Betcher
And that just goes to their value as a coordinator, not as a head coach.
For all shit the Raiders took with trading away Mack and losing Brown, John Greuden (a retread, though a SuperBowl winning retread) has them playing well.
I would suspect. Most newbies that come on like gangbusters are.
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...I was also surprised that in 2018, the 49ers only caused 7 total turnover. Seven!
What happened from 2018 to 2019??
Bosa.
Plus Dee Ford and Kwon Alexander.
Kris Kocurek at DL coach, new DB coach.
Sherman at 100% health. The corners playing better.
Buckner and Armstead are great guys but meant to play more inside than outside. This was one of those things were they were very close to finishing the puzzle, but nobody knew it could be quite at this level.
A great DC IMO is someone who takes good players and makes sure they are ready for great offenses and QBs. To his credit this year, no team pushed the 49ers defense around. He's had a few teams run the ball well but he adjusted fast (Rams, Redskins). Holding 3 QBs under 100 yards passing I never saw under any previous 49er DC.
Two interesting things stand out to me with Saleh:
1) A tremendous game plan last season to beat Seattle. He legitimately schemed a great plan to beat Wilson with a lesser defense.
2) Shanahan never wavered with keeping Saleh. Always said great things about him publicly and trusted. Way more than the fans. Fans felt that he would be the weak link coaching wise until this season broke out.
I think he's doing a very good job, but being an HC will require him to build a great staff which I'm not sure he can do just yet. I selfishly wish to keep him, but worry more that if he leaves he may not provide the success a team would want. I'd hate to see a good guy get possibly burned like that.
But on the other hand, I think a lot of DCs could generate similar results with the talent base he has in San Fran. So I'm not sure, really, how much of what we are seeing is due to Saleh's coaching.
Super rah-rah guys always bother me. Mike Singletary was like that.
Please don't compare "Gandhi" (yes, that's his nickname on the team) to Singletary. Sing was only rah-rah, while Saleh only does that on the sidelines.