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Jordan Ranaan said the lockroom was demorlized when Eli was

broadbandz : 11/13/2019 5:32 pm
brought back. Newest breaking big blue podcast, Jordan said guys were demoralized in the locker room when they found out Eli was coming back this year.

Who was it? Had to be offensive line or the WR group. Or maybe Engram.
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If The Story Offends You...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/13/2019 7:02 pm : link
or you simply choose not to believe it, just attack the source. It's now the American way of life.

I recall a similar "he's full of shit" reaction to a Jordan Ranaan story in pre-season a few years ago, right after OBJ was hurt against Cleveland. Ranaan reported that OBJ would miss the opener and likely the first few games. And that's exactly what happened.
One major problem with this  
Biteymax22 : 11/13/2019 7:04 pm : link
When they announced Eli was coming back, no one was in this locker room because it was the offseason. Also, about half the guys on this team, werenít on the team at that point.
I donít buy that for a second  
djm : 11/13/2019 7:04 pm : link
...nor do I really give a fuck.

Locker room harmony is without question the most over stated over analyzed and ridiculous talking point in sports today. And it means absolutely nothing. Want proof? Go find it yourself Iím too tired to conjure up the dozens of examples.
This podcast was mostly about Shurmur & Gettlemanís fate  
Sean : 11/13/2019 7:07 pm : link
Both will campaign hard about Jones needing to stay in the same system/structure.

The campaign has already started if you read todayís quotes.
RE: The team still stinks but the offense  
djm : 11/13/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14679270 Junior22 said:
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has looked better in 8 games with Jones than Eli the last 3 seasons


Nope.

2018 points per game = 23.1
2019 points per game = 20.1

Eli was a problem donít get me wrong, and jones needed to start ASAP, but no. Just no.
RE: if true and big if  
djm : 11/13/2019 7:11 pm : link
In comment 14679288 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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I think Solder would be a good candidate.


Lol cmon. Solder is the quintessential nfl company man.

He makes too much money and that drives some of you nuts.
RE: RE: The team still stinks but the offense  
jcn56 : 11/13/2019 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14679358 djm said:
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In comment 14679270 Junior22 said:


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has looked better in 8 games with Jones than Eli the last 3 seasons



Nope.

2018 points per game = 23.1
2019 points per game = 20.1

Eli was a problem donít get me wrong, and jones needed to start ASAP, but no. Just no.


I think if you consider their best offensive player missed games and has been playing hurt, that's a wash.
Listening to the end of the podcast,  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2019 7:17 pm : link
Jordan brought up an interesting observation in an answer to what Shula's job is. Jordan said that his primary role is to develop the passing game plan. The other tidbit is that Shula isn't involved in the run game plan. He believes that Hal Hunter is developing the run game plan. The whole dynamic just underscores the dysfunction of this coaching staff.
I Don't Know If This Is True or Not  
Bernie : 11/13/2019 7:19 pm : link
but the very thought of this being the case caused Jordan to become highly aroused.
Itís Eli who shouldíve been demoralized  
exiled : 11/13/2019 7:25 pm : link
saddled with yet another shitty offense.
RE: One major problem with this  
ron mexico : 11/13/2019 7:27 pm : link
In comment 14679350 Biteymax22 said:
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When they announced Eli was coming back, no one was in this locker room because it was the offseason. Also, about half the guys on this team, werenít on the team at that point.


I was thinking the same thing
RE: I donít buy that for a second  
ron mexico : 11/13/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14679351 djm said:
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...nor do I really give a fuck.

Locker room harmony is without question the most over stated over analyzed and ridiculous talking point in sports today. And it means absolutely nothing. Want proof? Go find it yourself Iím too tired to conjure up the dozens of examples.


Yeah, a little friction can be a good thing.
I'm not sure what's funnier  
widmerseyebrow : 11/13/2019 7:59 pm : link
The idea that a group of losers is actually sad that Eli is playing football, or Jordan Ranaan claiming he knows the feelings of the entire locker room based on the gripes of probably two or three players.
How do they feel now that their scapegoat  
bradshaw44 : 11/13/2019 8:06 pm : link
Canít be blamed for their shitty play any longer?
the Giants were doing a pretty  
bluepepper : 11/13/2019 8:07 pm : link
thorough tear down. Snacks, Collins, OBJ etc. Supposedly a total rebuild. But they kept their aging, immobile QB and planned for him to be the starter all year. If you don't think there were guys in the locker room wondering what was up with that then you're nuts. I don't doubt Ranaan on this one at all.
Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2019 8:23 pm : link
Don't take the headline that the OP wrote. Jordan brings up the Eli claim at the end (Skip to the last 10 minutes if you don't want to listen to the whole podcast). Jordan doesn't say the entire/majority of the locker-room was demoralized. He said that when the decision to bring back Eli was made that there were a some players that were demoralized.

Odell was traded on the 12th of March. He is an obvious one. The other players that were demoralized can likely be figured out based on who has been here in the past and who are being "held back" from Eli's performance. We can safely assume that it wasn't anyone from the defense. They share plenty of blame in their own play holding the team back before they start casting blame on Eli. The OL is trash and have no room to point fingers. So the short list is Engram and the TEs, Shep, and Barkley?
LOL.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2019 8:25 pm : link
No chance in hell Ranaan, a total hack, wouldn't have made this information public when we brought him back.
I doubt this is true, but if it is...  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/13/2019 8:35 pm : link
...I would expect it's (1) very few members of the team; and (2) total assholes.
I believe it  
TD : 11/13/2019 8:39 pm : link
Actually heard similar secondhand from one of the Eagles players just prior to the draft. Never shared it on BBI bc didnít want to get into it with the Eli/DG defenders.
RE: Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
jcn56 : 11/13/2019 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14679400 Diver_Down said:
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Don't take the headline that the OP wrote. Jordan brings up the Eli claim at the end (Skip to the last 10 minutes if you don't want to listen to the whole podcast). Jordan doesn't say the entire/majority of the locker-room was demoralized. He said that when the decision to bring back Eli was made that there were a some players that were demoralized.

Odell was traded on the 12th of March. He is an obvious one. The other players that were demoralized can likely be figured out based on who has been here in the past and who are being "held back" from Eli's performance. We can safely assume that it wasn't anyone from the defense. They share plenty of blame in their own play holding the team back before they start casting blame on Eli. The OL is trash and have no room to point fingers. So the short list is Engram and the TEs, Shep, and Barkley?


Why can you safely assume that on an undermanned defense that had anyone worth anything (save for Jackrabbit) traded away that they didn't resent Eli getting $23M for a season where they felt he hurt their chances of scoring more than he helped?

Same way the assumptions conveniently stick to non-Gettleman players; he says 'a bunch' of players weren't happy about it, the chances of that list being restricted to only Reese drafted players is slim to none.
This is stupid fucking  
barens : 11/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
Click bait. Donít know who in their right mind would
Say that.
Ranaan epitomizes this era of journalism  
Torrag : 11/13/2019 8:48 pm : link
This isn't even fake news, it's non news. Gee how do I get some traffic and hits during the bye week. Aha! I'll invent a story. I won't have a quotable source or be subject to any fact checking whatsoever. Who will know I'm a dishonest hack? Ya know what?...noone cares and my entire profession is in disgrace anyway, I'll run my fantasy article. Pitiful.
RE: RE: Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14679418 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14679400 Diver_Down said:


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Don't take the headline that the OP wrote. Jordan brings up the Eli claim at the end (Skip to the last 10 minutes if you don't want to listen to the whole podcast). Jordan doesn't say the entire/majority of the locker-room was demoralized. He said that when the decision to bring back Eli was made that there were a some players that were demoralized.

Odell was traded on the 12th of March. He is an obvious one. The other players that were demoralized can likely be figured out based on who has been here in the past and who are being "held back" from Eli's performance. We can safely assume that it wasn't anyone from the defense. They share plenty of blame in their own play holding the team back before they start casting blame on Eli. The OL is trash and have no room to point fingers. So the short list is Engram and the TEs, Shep, and Barkley?



Why can you safely assume that on an undermanned defense that had anyone worth anything (save for Jackrabbit) traded away that they didn't resent Eli getting $23M for a season where they felt he hurt their chances of scoring more than he helped?

Same way the assumptions conveniently stick to non-Gettleman players; he says 'a bunch' of players weren't happy about it, the chances of that list being restricted to only Reese drafted players is slim to none.


Fine. Open it up to defensive players that have been absolute trash and share in the blame for being a terrible team. Jan. 2nd - DG and Eli had their mensch conversation. DG said that they weren't committing to Eli as a result of the conversation. Jenkins could be added to the list. Who else on the defensive side would you nominate?
Ranaan would have been broadcasting this all summer long  
montanagiant : 11/13/2019 8:56 pm : link
If he knew this. The guy was posting nothing but shitty clickbait this offseason and he is all about the clicks, this would have generated a ton of clicks
RE: RE: Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14679418 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14679400 Diver_Down said:


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Don't take the headline that the OP wrote. Jordan brings up the Eli claim at the end (Skip to the last 10 minutes if you don't want to listen to the whole podcast). Jordan doesn't say the entire/majority of the locker-room was demoralized. He said that when the decision to bring back Eli was made that there were a some players that were demoralized.

Odell was traded on the 12th of March. He is an obvious one. The other players that were demoralized can likely be figured out based on who has been here in the past and who are being "held back" from Eli's performance. We can safely assume that it wasn't anyone from the defense. They share plenty of blame in their own play holding the team back before they start casting blame on Eli. The OL is trash and have no room to point fingers. So the short list is Engram and the TEs, Shep, and Barkley?



Why can you safely assume that on an undermanned defense that had anyone worth anything (save for Jackrabbit) traded away that they didn't resent Eli getting $23M for a season where they felt he hurt their chances of scoring more than he helped?

Same way the assumptions conveniently stick to non-Gettleman players; he says 'a bunch' of players weren't happy about it, the chances of that list being restricted to only Reese drafted players is slim to none.


I already responded about opening the list to defensive players, but then I see that you are insinuating that I'm only including Reese players on the list. Note, I put Barkley on the list.

Also, I know math is hard and even more difficult for some of these losers to comprehend. But Eli was not getting $23M for a season.
well the lockerroom sure showed Eli!  
PaulBlakeTSU : 11/13/2019 9:23 pm : link
look how great this team is without him!
RE: RE: RE: Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
jcn56 : 11/13/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14679431 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 14679418 jcn56 said:


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In comment 14679400 Diver_Down said:


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Don't take the headline that the OP wrote. Jordan brings up the Eli claim at the end (Skip to the last 10 minutes if you don't want to listen to the whole podcast). Jordan doesn't say the entire/majority of the locker-room was demoralized. He said that when the decision to bring back Eli was made that there were a some players that were demoralized.

Odell was traded on the 12th of March. He is an obvious one. The other players that were demoralized can likely be figured out based on who has been here in the past and who are being "held back" from Eli's performance. We can safely assume that it wasn't anyone from the defense. They share plenty of blame in their own play holding the team back before they start casting blame on Eli. The OL is trash and have no room to point fingers. So the short list is Engram and the TEs, Shep, and Barkley?



Why can you safely assume that on an undermanned defense that had anyone worth anything (save for Jackrabbit) traded away that they didn't resent Eli getting $23M for a season where they felt he hurt their chances of scoring more than he helped?

Same way the assumptions conveniently stick to non-Gettleman players; he says 'a bunch' of players weren't happy about it, the chances of that list being restricted to only Reese drafted players is slim to none.



I already responded about opening the list to defensive players, but then I see that you are insinuating that I'm only including Reese players on the list. Note, I put Barkley on the list.

Also, I know math is hard and even more difficult for some of these losers to comprehend. But Eli was not getting $23M for a season.


I noticed that you put Barkley on the list - but for the life of me couldn't figure out why.

For a guy who came in with everyone in the world touting his team first mentality, why on Earth would you think he'd be demoralized by Eli's return? Enough so that he'd be public about it no less.
RE: well the lockerroom sure showed Eli!  
jcn56 : 11/13/2019 9:29 pm : link
In comment 14679450 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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look how great this team is without him!


Were they proven wrong? Has the offense taken a big step back, given Tate missed the first 4 games and Barkley was injured, despite being led by a rookie from Duke?

Can't remember which sports stat site it was, but one had said that Eli and Jones had the same replacement value - and BBI had a fit. Were they wrong?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Did anyone actually listen to the podcast?  
Diver_Down : 11/13/2019 9:36 pm : link
In comment 14679452 jcn56 said:
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I noticed that you put Barkley on the list - but for the life of me couldn't figure out why.

For a guy who came in with everyone in the world touting his team first mentality, why on Earth would you think he'd be demoralized by Eli's return? Enough so that he'd be public about it no less.


I put Barkley with a question mark. I don't think anyone has been "public" about Eli holding the team back except for Odell in his Lil' Wayne interview. I was only spitballing players that would potentially be directly impacted by Eli's play while also not having fault in their own game. I can't believe a player would be demoralized by Eli's return if they share in the blame for the losing seasons.

Not public as in OBJ's interview  
jcn56 : 11/13/2019 9:38 pm : link
rather, in that off-the-record manner that Ranaan is alluding to.
A few things  
Daniel in MI : 11/13/2019 9:56 pm : link
1) Stop going on about "fake news" and "people made it up" shit. Honestly, that is such weak whiny crap.

2) It sounds overblown, as mentioned earlier. He may not have said it earlier because it's not that big of a deal. I bet people talk like this all the time unless their starter is freakin' Brady or Rodgers.

3) Do you really think, on a team of 53 players (plus) that there were not some people who thought EXACTLY like half of BBI - that Eli was past his prime? That we drafted a new QB and he should start right away? And on a team where that one player is not the future is also eating up a huge amount of cap space that affects who else the team can acquire (and how much they can pay to these other players potentially)? I have no problem believing that there might be some players who think that. Hell, on my HS football team there was not unanimity about who the starting QB should be, and we had a lot less at stake than these guys.


RE: A few things  
bw in dc : 11/13/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14679474 Daniel in MI said:
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3) Do you really think, on a team of 53 players (plus) that there were not some people who thought EXACTLY like half of BBI - that Eli was past his prime? That we drafted a new QB and he should start right away? And on a team where that one player is not the future is also eating up a huge amount of cap space that affects who else the team can acquire (and how much they can pay to these other players potentially)? I have no problem believing that there might be some players who think that. Hell, on my HS football team there was not unanimity about who the starting QB should be, and we had a lot less at stake than these guys.



Exactly. To think this isn't true on some level is bizarre.

The romantics at BBI went to believe that Eli was viewed as a deity. And that when he entered the locker room it was like Moses carrying the Ten Commandments. Everyone was in awe...
Just imagine how demoralized they'll be  
Blue Dream : 11/13/2019 10:25 pm : link
When Getty resigns him to a 3 year deal
The Giants are such a shit show  
trueblueinpw : 11/13/2019 10:39 pm : link
This organization from top to bottom is an embarrassment. Weíve turned into the Browns. Disgusting.
RE: the Giants were doing a pretty  
BigBluesman : 11/13/2019 10:45 pm : link
In comment 14679397 bluepepper said:
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thorough tear down. Snacks, Collins, OBJ etc. Supposedly a total rebuild. But they kept their aging, immobile QB and planned for him to be the starter all year. If you don't think there were guys in the locker room wondering what was up with that then you're nuts. I don't doubt Ranaan on this one at all.

100%

The players want to see accountability throughout the roster.
Sweet of Jordan  
BBelle21 : 11/13/2019 11:12 pm : link
to wait until the bye week to claim this. And not the week Eli was benched. Also fascinating how no other beat writers claim this.
RE: RE: The team still stinks but the offense  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/14/2019 1:48 am : link
In comment 14679358 djm said:
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In comment 14679270 Junior22 said:


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has looked better in 8 games with Jones than Eli the last 3 seasons



Nope.

2018 points per game = 23.1
2019 points per game = 20.1

Eli was a problem donít get me wrong, and jones needed to start ASAP, but no. Just no.


I guess among the things I will champion here as often as possible is a reasonable use of stats to illustrate points.

The ppg average is just a horrible example of how NOT to use a stat to make your point that the offense doesn't look improved with Jones at QB, despite his numerous weak points.

I mean, the offense in 2019 alone averaged 15.5 ppg in the 2 games Eli started, and what about 22 ppg since Jones started?

But when we just eyeball it, it L oks better. Maybe you should look at 3rd down conversions, or how Jones brought the team back from deep deficits at least twice.

When's the last time Eli did that?

We looked lost on 3rd and long with Eli at QB, everyone saw that as plain as the noses in the middle of their own faces.

They averaged more ppg in 2018? In games that Barkley ran wild?

Give me a break, and please really dig a little (into the data) before you insist the O doesn't look revitalized a good bit under Jones, despite Jones' numerous rookie miscues.
RE: Listening to the end of the podcast,  
Milton : 11/14/2019 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14679367 Diver_Down said:
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The other tidbit is that Shula isn't involved in the run game plan. He believes that Hal Hunter is developing the run game plan. The whole dynamic just underscores the dysfunction of this coaching staff.
Parcells did the same thing in Dallas. Sean Payton was in charge of the passing game and Tony Sparano was in charge of the running game. That was the first I'd hear of something like that, but there have been at least a couple or so since that have done the same.
RE: And he's been sitting on this nugget of information for  
Milton : 11/14/2019 8:26 pm : link
In comment 14679257 robbieballs2003 said:
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8 months?
It's possible his source or sources in the locker room were sitting on this nugget for months and only first shared it with Ranaan recently.
I don't know how you watch anything about this offense  
Shirk130 : 11/14/2019 8:33 pm : link
and call it revitalized. There are issues at every level.
RE: I don't know how you watch anything about this offense  
rocco8112 : 11/14/2019 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14679597 Shirk130 said:
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and call it revitalized. There are issues at every level.


Jones can make throws and I like what is happening with him and Slayton. Tate can play as well and would have liked to have seen him with Eli to see what happened.

Aside from that I agree with you, people are watching this offense and are seeing potent and reliable unit?

Looks like crap to me and it collapses in crunch time. It just sucks less than the defense.
I don't how Ranaan can calll it a locker room thing  
Phil in LA : 11/14/2019 9:08 pm : link
when it was an offseason decision.
RE: I don't how Ranaan can calll it a locker room thing  
Jim in Tampa : 11/15/2019 10:49 am : link
In comment 14679633 Phil in LA said:
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when it was an offseason decision.

Here's how it COULD have happened.

The veteran players learn individually in the off-season about Eli coming back. Then when they get together again in training camp, individual players shared their thoughts with other players about how they felt when they learned that Eli was returning.

It's also possible (as Milton pointed out) that no player shared this info with Ranaan until recently.

I'm not saying that it DID happen this way, but this plausible scenario would address how individual players could have a collective reaction to an off-season event (i.e.-the "locker room") and why Ranaan waited until now to report it.
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BBelle21 : 11/15/2019 10:56 am : link
In comment 14679595 Milton said:
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In comment 14679257 robbieballs2003 said:


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8 months?

It's possible his source or sources in the locker room were sitting on this nugget for months and only first shared it with Ranaan recently.


Another poster who actually listened to the podcast said Ranaan was just giving his opinion on the locker room. No players actually said this to him.
Didn't they vote him Captain?  
Britt in VA : 11/15/2019 10:58 am : link
?
This story makes no sense.  
Section331 : 11/15/2019 11:02 am : link
There wasn't a "locker room" when the decision was made to bring Eli back, it was off-season. I'm sure some guys were frustrated, but unless Ranaan called everyone on the roster, this is utter BS.
the only reason I could believe this  
mdc1 : 11/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
is if some wanted more help (better players) and/or another year of limited funds that will not go to other players contract value?
Does it even matter?  
giantsFC : 11/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
The whole team can get on the Titanic v 2.0. it can sink, and we can start over and have the exact same record


Good riddance to all of them if true regardless of talent

Eli won 2 superbowls. These teams canít win 5 games


These teams arenít NY Giant type football teams
It wouldn't be surprising  
Go Terps : 11/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
Most of these guys were in high school the last time Eli was a part of anything relevant in the NFL. They don't have the connection to the past that we do. To the guys on the locker room Eli's a guy that's making way more money than them and not earning it.
RE: I don't know how you watch anything about this offense  
BlueLou'sBack : 11/16/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14679597 Shirk130 said:
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and call it revitalized. There are issues at every level.


I see it quite clearly and wonder how folks DON'T see it. Later today, I'll see if I can mine some data to support the overall sense I get that this offense is considerably better than it was under Eli in recent years. Off the top of my head, Eli's recent years featured OBJ far too much as a % of the passing game yards and total offensive yards.
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