So what would you all think about John Fox as HC?

In comment 14679529 mrvax said:

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I don't remember the details but I've heard several lousy reports about McCarthy, all saying he was a lazy SOB. But he does have a good record and he's not really old.

He also had the benefit of 2 first ballot HOF QB's. His offensive schemes were too simplistic, and her benefited from the brilliance of Favre and Rodgers to bail him out. He is a rich man's Ben McAdoo.

In comment 14679486 Justlurking said:

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He’s a fucking gunslinger. I want him to have a coach that lets him win games and carry the team. Fine with paying fox a bunch to be DC though.

Good idea...let’s put the game on the shoulders of a young Qb who fumbles when a fan in the upper deck farts.

In comment 14680083 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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133-123 as head coach with the benefit of having Peyton Manning in his prime for back to back to back 12 win seasons. In his last stop he was a hearty 14-34 in Chicago.

you are not going to find a coach with a 600 winning percentage who is looking for a job

In comment 14680067 JonC said:

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and he's pushing 70.

64 is not pushing 70.

You know who's pushing 70? Bill Belichick.

In comment 14680083 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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133-123 as head coach with the benefit of having Peyton Manning in his prime for back to back to back 12 win seasons. In his last stop he was a hearty 14-34 in Chicago.

LOL. I'm no Fox fan, but Peyton Manning was FAR from his prime during his time with the Broncos.

we're trying to build a winner, he'll be that much closer to 70 by the time the team peaks. Old dudes need not take offense.

In comment 14680429 JonC said:

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we're trying to build a winner, he'll be that much closer to 70 by the time the team peaks. Old dudes need not take offense.

He's not exactly a spry 64, he's had a number of health issues, cardiac ones to boot.

Andy Reid is 61 and I'm thinking no healthier than John Fox.

I don't get to interview these guys or see them interacting with players on the practice field or in the locker room, but that's what it would take for me to determine whether age has become an issue for them. Depending on health and activity, age is mostly a state of mind (at least until 80 or so). Even on the physical side we see QBs like Brady and Brees playing at a high level into their 40's and non-QBs like Strahan, London Fletcher, Larry Fitzgerald, and Frank Gore playing well into their 30's.

30 and 40 ain't what it used to be when it comes to strength, speed, and quickness. And 60 and 70 ain't what it used to be when it comes to mental acuity.

I'd be willing to interview them and judge from there, but Fox isn't in that class. If we're looking at lower tiers, I want youth, energy, and new ideas in the room, imo. Most NFL coaches do have a shelf life, I think Fox has reached his as head coach.

In comment 14680428 Anakim said:

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In comment 14680083 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: 133-123 as head coach with the benefit of having Peyton Manning in his prime for back to back to back 12 win seasons. In his last stop he was a hearty 14-34 in Chicago. LOL. I'm no Fox fan, but Peyton Manning was FAR from his prime during his time with the Broncos.

Peyton Manning wasn't a corpse until 2014.

He threw for 55 touchdowns and 10 INTS in 2013.

If we fully commit to his offense across the organization it will open up a lot of opportunities for asset acquisition. But we have to commit across the organization. That's going to require a lot of change from ownership.

In comment 14680450 Milton said:

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Andy Reid is 61 and I'm thinking no healthier than John Fox. I don't get to interview these guys or see them interacting with players on the practice field or in the locker room, but that's what it would take for me to determine whether age has become an issue for them. Depending on health and activity, age is mostly a state of mind (at least until 80 or so). Even on the physical side we see QBs like Brady and Brees playing at a high level into their 40's and non-QBs like Strahan, London Fletcher, Larry Fitzgerald, and Frank Gore playing well into their 30's. 30 and 40 ain't what it used to be when it comes to strength, speed, and quickness. And 60 and 70 ain't what it used to be when it comes to mental acuity.

It's not his mental acuity, it's his overall physical health. He's had some serious heart issues and he's at an age where a job with the physical demands of the NFL could take a serious toll.

Combine that with his record at his last stop, and does he really warrant the risk?

In comment 14680461 jcn56 said:

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It's not his mental acuity, it's his overall physical health. He's had some serious heart issues and he's at an age where a job with the physical demands of the NFL could take a serious toll. Combine that with his record at his last stop, and does he really warrant the risk?

As a replacement for Bettcher, yes. As a replacement for Shurmur, no.

In comment 14680459 Go Terps said:

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If we fully commit to his offense across the organization it will open up a lot of opportunities for asset acquisition. But we have to commit across the organization. That's going to require a lot of change from ownership.

I would be all for a Saleh, a Richard or a Roman - but my concern is that these guys end up similar to Shurmur - good at X's/O's, not good at running an organization.

In comment 14680464 Milton said:

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In comment 14680461 jcn56 said: Quote: It's not his mental acuity, it's his overall physical health. He's had some serious heart issues and he's at an age where a job with the physical demands of the NFL could take a serious toll. Combine that with his record at his last stop, and does he really warrant the risk? As a replacement for Bettcher, yes. As a replacement for Shurmur, no.

As DC? No argument here - the only question is whether he'd take the job.

In comment 14680470 jcn56 said:

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In comment 14680459 Go Terps said: Quote: If we fully commit to his offense across the organization it will open up a lot of opportunities for asset acquisition. But we have to commit across the organization. That's going to require a lot of change from ownership. I would be all for a Saleh, a Richard or a Roman - but my concern is that these guys end up similar to Shurmur - good at X's/O's, not good at running an organization.

Saleh is buyer beware. A big rah-rah guy with a style more suited for college. There is a load of talent on the 9ers D, and they are deep.

A lot of NFL DCs could look good directing that team. Bettcher included.

Roman is THE most interesting prospect. Of course, maybe he just does his best work with the Harbaughs - Jim in San Fran with Kaep and John in Bmore with LJax... ;)

They're more forward thinking than most coaches in the league half their age. Theres nothing wrong with an older coach if he's constantly challenging himself to learn and adapt - hell, that's the ideal best of both worlds candidate. They're few and far betweeen though. I definitely don't see Fox in that mold, quite the opposite if you listen to Bears fans.

and the pier has collapsed

In comment 14680505 Jersey55 said:

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and the pier has collapsed

The ship sailed but Fox wasn't on it (he was late returning from golf because a foursome of millennials ahead of him took their sweet time going from hole to hole). And it was just one of the four piers in Chelsea that collapsed, so no biggie. The other three are rock solid, like a John Fox defense!