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NGT: Myles Garrett goes crazy...suspensions inbound

allstarjim : 11/14/2019 11:51 pm
This is going to be a big story in the morning. For those of you who did not stay up late, Garrett ripped the helmet off of Mason Rudolph and swung it at him, connecting with Rudolph's head. Rudolph seems fine, but the act itself was incredibly dangerous and Garrett might have an unprecedented suspension coming his way. Possibly season ending.

And Pouncey, although I can't blame him, went nuts on Garrett with punches and kicked him in the head and neck area while he was pinned. All of this and there was :08 seconds left in the game.

And these two teams play again in two weeks.

This is the most Browns thing ever. The defense just played a great game, Mayfield was good, they ran the ball well, and physically beat a division rival they hadn't beaten in what, 5 years I think Joe Buck said? They get a huge win, the game is ending, and their best defensive player puts himself in a situation where he may not play again this season.

This is worse than Haynesworth.

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entire season next year  
bc4life : 11/15/2019 10:20 am : link
probably not - I'm guessing rest of this year, first 4 of next season.

but that's just my WAG
RE: So now Kitchens and Pouncey  
JohnF : 11/15/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14680092 mittenedman said:
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are the main offenders here - and not Garrett.

Gotta love the USA.


I'm not absolving Garrett at all, he's a scumbag for swinging the helmet for ANY reason. However, there were several head shots that were nearly as bad by the Browns (including a Helmet to head that drew blood), and there's no way Kitchens does not see that. He needed to call a time out and take control of his team.

Like it or not, the Head Coach is responsible for the behavior of his players during the game. There's a reason for that, because the game is violent enough as it is in terms of injury. You can't have gladiator games out there, the NFL would be shut down if that happened, and they know this.

If you, as a head coach, can't control your players, you need to be fired. We talked about this on BBI with Coughlin not pulling out OBJ when he went after Norman years ago.
RE: RE: Giants in 07  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 10:22 am : link
In comment 14680107 Giants in 07 said:
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initial reaction was understandable - then it was over and he continued while refs were trying to gain control. can't have that



Understood.. and he should expect a fine, perhaps. A suspension would be out of line in my opinion


A single punch is an auto ejection and if you had any sort of history of late hits/unnecessary roughness, it would likely also draw a suspension. Multiple punches and kicks? Has to be at least a couple games.
RE: entire season next year  
Matt in SGS : 11/15/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14680114 bc4life said:
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probably not - I'm guessing rest of this year, first 4 of next season.

but that's just my WAG


That's my guess as well. No way he's back on the field this year for sure at the least.
Let's face it, Pouncey already has a scumbag reputation  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 10:28 am : link
That's not going to help his case at all.
RE: Jay  
Zeke's Alibi : 11/15/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14679990 Bill2 said:
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Yes his helmet is on.

The danger of kicking someone on the ground in the protected or unprotected head... is to their neck


Bingo, that is the first thing I thought, you can break a guys neck like that, especially a 300 lb man against a completely immobilized Garrett. Both guys should be suspended for the season.
2 weeks Browns at Steelers...  
morrison40 : 11/15/2019 10:40 am : link
Cage match at halftime, Garrett vs Pouncey, Suh the ref . That will settle all the familyís business !
Garrett  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2019 10:40 am : link
should receive at least a rest of the season suspension and the league should act quickly.

Pouncey will get one as well but far less. For those questioning him, try to think about the mindset of a OL regarding his QB. Protect.

From a young age the QB right or wrong is looked at differently when it comes to contact. They wear a red shirt in practice, some think coddled with rules favoring them but to a OL protecting him is sacred imv.

Looking at the replay Pouncey seems to lose it when Garrett swung helmet. If he didn't I think he just would have shoved him.
Not sure if I'm entirely sure if I'm on  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 11/15/2019 10:51 am : link
The Garrett hate train. Division rivals with two bush league coaches, lot of dirty stuff happening throughout the game.
I'd give Garrett 5 games  
ghost718 : 11/15/2019 11:13 am : link
Especially after seeing the kick and grab,which I think happened.

Count me off the Steve Wilks bandwagon  
Sammo85 : 11/15/2019 11:23 am : link
for any job as HC or DC here. His defenders are a bit of a volatile bunch.

Garrett has been somewhat unhinged this year. Heís had some flagrant physical play thatís been clear and not disciplined. Heís gotten a lot of fouls and penalties called and some have been the judgement type but heís basically now gone out and tried to hurt quarterbacks three times this year.
I think Garrett should get suspended a full 16 games.  
Someguy1978 : 11/15/2019 11:25 am : link
He appeals and has it reduced to 12 games.

Pouncey gets four games, appeals and has it reduced to two games.


There is no excuses for Garrett's behavior or actions. He could have caused a serious injury. I think the league makes an example out of him.

Pouncey's past doesn't help him, which I why I think he gets the four games, but gets reduced to two through appeal.

My money would be on Pouncey  
Carl in CT : 11/15/2019 11:28 am : link
Kid grew up a fighter
I don't see  
Joey in VA : 11/15/2019 11:37 am : link
The point in defending anyone here or tallying up the gravity of the events to prove who was more or most at fault. Rudolph was dumb, Pouncey acted with malice, Garret acted with malice. All three carry blame all should be punished. Perhaps not equally but the defense of any of these idiotic actions seems pointless. All were to blame, all acted foolishly and dangerously. A spike on Rudolph's cleats could easily clip an artery on Garret's leg and kill him in minutes. These are big powerful humans wearing protective gear that when used as a weapon can be deadly. They were all reckless and dangerous actions, some more obvious but when, as Bill2 correctly noted, you look closer all of these things are incredibly dangerous.
How is Rudolph instigating?????  
twostepgiants : 11/15/2019 11:38 am : link
Garrett intentionally and blatantly roughed the passer and twisted him
And threw him on ground in what should have been an obvious penalty

Garrett was still on top of him when Rudolph even did anything to him

Then Garrett violently rips his helmet off him in what could have badly injured him

Then swings it and connects at his head

Rudolph is a victim here 100%

Garrett never should have still been on top of him at that point of the play.
You skipped the part where Rudolph attempted to pull Garrett's  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2019 11:40 am : link
helmet off. Acknowledging that happened doesn't make Garrett's actions less egregious. It just gives a full accounting of the events.
Watching it again  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/15/2019 11:45 am : link
I only saw Pouncy try and kick him once. I am not sure he is do a suspension. If it is it is 1-2 games. Still think that Garrett has to go for a long while.
RE: You skipped the part where Rudolph attempted to pull Garrett's  
TrueBlue56 : 11/15/2019 11:52 am : link
In comment 14680194 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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helmet off. Acknowledging that happened doesn't make Garrett's actions less egregious. It just gives a full accounting of the events.


There is a difference between "attempt" if that was even that and actually ripping a helmet off and actually using it as a weapon and hitting an unprotected player with it.

Big difference between the two
Three players indefinitely suspended  
bubba0825 : 11/15/2019 11:53 am : link
See tweet
Link - ( New Window )
Suspended Indefinitely by the league  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/15/2019 11:54 am : link
.
.  
pjcas18 : 11/15/2019 11:54 am : link
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

1m
In all from the NFL:
ó #Browns
DE Myles Garrett suspended without pay indefinitely, at least the rest of the season.
ó #Steelers OL Maurkice Pouncey suspended 3 games and fined
ó #Browns
DL Larry Ogunjobi suspended one game and fined.
ó Other players involved may be fined.
RE: Three players indefinitely suspended  
bubba0825 : 11/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14680213 bubba0825 said:
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See tweet Link - ( New Window )


Pouncey, Garrett and Ogunjobi
only Myles was suspended indefinitely  
GMAN4LIFE : 11/15/2019 11:58 am : link
the others got 1 game or 3
RE: You skipped the part where Rudolph attempted to pull Garrett's  
twostepgiants : 11/15/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14680194 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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helmet off. Acknowledging that happened doesn't make Garrett's actions less egregious. It just gives a full accounting of the events.


Garrett is a 6-4 270 lb human being who aggressively threw him to ground and should be penalized and continued to remain on top of him long after play

Rudolph has a right to get him off him and in the 1-2 seconds his hand touched Garretts helmet, withGarrett on top f him and Rudolph pinned on ground, im not sure I would describe that as an attempt to rip his helmst off.



Nice little troll job there by the league,  
Mad Mike : 11/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
specifying in the press release that the indefinite nature of Garret's suspension includes the post-season.
RE: .  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
In comment 14680217 pjcas18 said:
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Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet

1m
In all from the NFL:
ó #Browns
DE Myles Garrett suspended without pay indefinitely, at least the rest of the season.
ó #Steelers OL Maurkice Pouncey suspended 3 games and fined
ó #Browns
DL Larry Ogunjobi suspended one game and fined.
ó Other players involved may be fined.


For once, I think they got it right.
Rudolph deserves a suspension too  
Oscar : 11/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
At least a game.
RE: I think Garrett should get 16 games.  
Thegratefulhead : 11/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14680075 Mike in Long Beach said:
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One full season, sprawled out over two.
I agree with you.
RE: RE: You skipped the part where Rudolph attempted to pull Garrett's  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
In comment 14680212 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 14680194 shockeyisthebest8056 said:


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helmet off. Acknowledging that happened doesn't make Garrett's actions less egregious. It just gives a full accounting of the events.



There is a difference between "attempt" if that was even that and actually ripping a helmet off and actually using it as a weapon and hitting an unprotected player with it.

Big difference between the two


Once again... ACCURATELY describing the events doesn't lessen the egregious nature of Garrett's actions. If people aren't interested in accurately describing what happened, then they're probably more interested in narratives than the truth.
What Rudolph did warranted a penalty flag  
widmerseyebrow : 11/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
not a suspension.
Rudolph should get an insubstantial fine  
Mike in ramapo college : 11/15/2019 12:16 pm : link
what he did was not suspension worthy.

I think the NFL got this right for once, even though I would have given Pouncey 1 (and could justify 2) based on how the NFL has treated fights in the past. His reputation didn't help him though.
RE: Rudolph should get an insubstantial fine  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 12:23 pm : link
In comment 14680254 Mike in ramapo college said:
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what he did was not suspension worthy.

I think the NFL got this right for once, even though I would have given Pouncey 1 (and could justify 2) based on how the NFL has treated fights in the past. His reputation didn't help him though.


Re: Pouncey
1. As you allude to he has a rep for this
2. Past "fights" typically involve 1-2 punches that may or may not connect. He threw at least half a dozen haymakers at a guy who was pinned to the ground, then got up and proceeded to kick him in the helmet.
Plus the magnitude of the entire fight  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
was always going to increase the resulting penalties. If Ogunchi(sp?) did that after say an INT, he gets ejected and likely a hefty fine. Doubt he would get a suspension for that hit normally (unless he has a past I'm missing).
Half a dozen "Haymakers"?  
KWALL2 : 11/15/2019 12:30 pm : link
Not close to accurate
This is waaaay over the top  
mrvax : 11/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
and Garrett should be banned in the NFL for good.
Pouncey's kick  
KWALL2 : 11/15/2019 12:35 pm : link
was a fade away kick with very little force. I can't believe he got 3 games. He overreacted after his QB was assaulted like we've never seen on a field before. Maybe one game for the kick.

The other guy? Should get more than Burficts 12 games.

Should have arrested his ass too.

If a guy hits a coworker like that hes in cuffs and in jail. Playing football shouldn't be a factor. He should have been arrested.

RE: This is waaaay over the top  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14680291 mrvax said:
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and Garrett should be banned in the NFL for good.


I hope Goodell holds a press conference quickly as well. That would be a good time for him to address this and add that any player/coach using any equipment, foreign object, etc. to strike a player/coach will never play in the NFL again.
Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
Steve in ATL : 11/15/2019 1:17 pm : link
I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.
RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
jonnyess : 11/15/2019 1:36 pm : link
In comment 14680328 Steve in ATL said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.


well from some of the sports talk shows I listened to this morning, let's just politely ysay that Browns fans aren't unilaterally condemning their boys' actions...last night WAS their Super Bowl for all intents and purposes...

as a NYG fan, I'd be embarrassed to root for a squad of such thugs and punks...
RE: RE: This is waaaay over the top  
Mad Mike : 11/15/2019 1:42 pm : link
In comment 14680307 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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That would be a good time for him to address this and add that any player/coach using any equipment, foreign object, etc. to strike a player/coach will never play in the NFL again.

C'mon now, let them play.

Garrett deserves everything he gets. Should have been roughing  
Blue21 : 11/15/2019 2:00 pm : link
the passer to begin with. I don't blame Rudolph being upset at all. Pouncey was probably ok until the kick to the helmet.
He certainly gets something for that. But the Garrett actions were way over the top from the initial hit on Rudolph. He most certainly was trying to cause serious injury.
RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
Nine-Tails : 11/15/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14680328 Steve in ATL said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.


Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo
RE: RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
732NYG : 11/15/2019 2:15 pm : link
In comment 14680384 Nine-Tails said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.



Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo


One guy had a helmet on, and one guy didnít. Nobody swung a helmet a Normanís bare head, so they are very different. Stop making excuses.
RE: RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
allstarjim : 11/15/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14680384 Nine-Tails said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.



Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo


Yeah that's a weird take.
RE: RE: RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
Nine-Tails : 11/15/2019 2:23 pm : link
In comment 14680389 732NYG said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.



Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo



One guy had a helmet on, and one guy didnít. Nobody swung a helmet a Normanís bare head, so they are very different. Stop making excuses.


Odell had a running start and bashed someone unsuspecting. The force couldíve crippled him. Thereís no place for both of these actions, and same goes for pitchers beaning hitters with 100 mph heaters intentionally
Myles Garrett Goes Crazy......  
johnboyw : 11/16/2019 6:24 am : link
Myles Garrett proved that he is nothing more than another street punk who happens to play football. A disgrace to the league and to all the great players who respected the league when they played. Should draw a minimum suspension of one year.
Hats off to Pouncey and DeCastro for coming to the aid of their QB and kicking the shit out of him. He got exactly what he deserved.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Imagine that Garrett was a Giant and did this  
BigBlueShock : 11/16/2019 7:24 am : link
In comment 14680399 Nine-Tails said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.



Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo



One guy had a helmet on, and one guy didnít. Nobody swung a helmet a Normanís bare head, so they are very different. Stop making excuses.



Odell had a running start and bashed someone unsuspecting. The force couldíve crippled him. Thereís no place for both of these actions, and same goes for pitchers beaning hitters with 100 mph heaters intentionally

Iím not going to defend Beckham, what he did was bullshit. However, with the way Norman acted both pregame and during the game, if he was ďunsuspectingĒ, thatís his stupidity.

Sheriff "Little Bill" Daggett: Well sir, you are a cowardly son of a bitch. You just shot an unarmed man.

Bill Munny: He should have armed himself....... if he's going to decorate his saloon with my friend.
Tend to agree with BBShock  
Jimmy Googs : 11/16/2019 7:29 am : link
although this shouldn't be about who was the "least worst"...
RE: Tend to agree with BBShock  
BigBlueShock : 11/16/2019 7:49 am : link
In comment 14680706 Jimmy Googs said:
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although this shouldn't be about who was the "least worst"...

Oh I agree. Iím certainly not condoning what Beckham did. It was terrible. But Norman was instigating from pregame. He body slammed Beckham after a play. Among other bush league nonsense. If youíre going to continuously try to provoke someone youíd better understand that person may have a trigger point where they go completely off the rails. As we all found out, Beckham was a bit psychotic at times. Norman found that out the hard way. Unfortunately. Norman was being a complete punk in that game.
Yep  
Jimmy Googs : 11/16/2019 8:13 am : link
and OBJ took the bait.
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