This is going to be a big story in the morning. For those of you who did not stay up late, Garrett ripped the helmet off of Mason Rudolph and swung it at him, connecting with Rudolph's head. Rudolph seems fine, but the act itself was incredibly dangerous and Garrett might have an unprecedented suspension coming his way. Possibly season ending.
And Pouncey, although I can't blame him, went nuts on Garrett with punches and kicked him in the head and neck area while he was pinned. All of this and there was :08 seconds left in the game.
And these two teams play again in two weeks.
This is the most Browns thing ever. The defense just played a great game, Mayfield was good, they ran the ball well, and physically beat a division rival they hadn't beaten in what, 5 years I think Joe Buck said? They get a huge win, the game is ending, and their best defensive player puts himself in a situation where he may not play again this season.
This is worse than Haynesworth.
The punches while Garret was still "live" and not restrained are not cool, but to me understandable.
Its the post restrained on the ground and held...and then the step around into position and then a clear kick to his head.
that's imo, suspension worthy as well as Garrett's actions. How much and all that im not claiming im close to Solomon when it comes to understanding the NFLs non Solomonic reasoning
The lengthy thread? There's lengthy threads here on UFOs and Halloween candy, doesn't mean there's any additional verifiable information or proof in it.
This entire incident played out in high def slow mo and was replayed a thousand times over. Outrage isn't "faux" - if he hits Rudolph cleanly there we're talking criminal investigation.
honestly, the debate is comical.
If someone smashed a bottle over someone's head at a bar I'd have no problem with people holding him down and bashing his head in until he stopped. Once you start violence rules go out the window.
Is she making some BS excuse that Rudolph said something racist and therefore deserved to have someone try to kill him? How is race not a factor? If Nick Bosa did this to Cam Newton the reaction would have been much harsher.
"bring out Garrett"
reminds me of slapshot.
Rudolph does intentionally try to take Garrett's helmet off. Flag
Rudoph does intentionally kick Garrett in the nads. Flag.
Garrett does intentionally hit Rudoph in the head. Suspension.
Pouncey kicks Garrett in the head. Suspension.
Ogunjobi does hit Rudolph in the back. Flag.
honestly, the debate is comical.
What did Rudolph do to get suspended. Pounce or thr guy who knocked down Rudolph after the fifth but Rudolph.?
Just that ...nothing else. Don't assume its football.
What happens in a court of law? Assault with intent to cause significant harm?
Each part of the sequence stands on its own in a court of law. Defending my friend after what happened earlier at the bar...isn't a defense. Man is responsible for each action ?
Or do we disagree?
The biggest difference is Garrett was still wearing his helmet. Not saying what Pouncey did was right or good, but it's a huge game changer
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Is intolerable.
Is she making some BS excuse that Rudolph said something racist and therefore deserved to have someone try to kill him? How is race not a factor? If Nick Bosa did this to Cam Newton the reaction would have been much harsher.
Of course it would be. Cam Newton is on the sidelines, you'd have to be a complete maniac on bath salts to assault someone on the sideline with their own helmet.
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Rudolph- 1 game
honestly, the debate is comical.
What did Rudolph do to get suspended. Pounce or thr guy who knocked down Rudolph after the fifth but Rudolph.?
he didnt do much of anything. Maybe defend himself with a take down that was illegal. Sure. If anything that should be it. If it were me, i wouldnt give him anything. But if i did, 1 game is enough. Myles on the other hand should get more than 10 games.
No. Garett tried to kill a guy. People have every right to do whetever they can to get him down and prevent further damage. This reminds of the BS argument that homeowners shouldn't defend their homes. Garett lost any right to rpotection the second he swung a helmet at Rudolph's head.
Fuck the Browns. Fuck Cleavland. Fuck Baker Mayfield. Fuck OBJ. Fuck Kitchens. Fuck Gareet. And fuck the Cleavland Indians and Cavaliers as well.
I understand Pouncey's "motivations" and what set him off far more than I have any sympathy for Garrett ( who imo, did not need to be a shit at the end of the game to being with).
Im not talking about the relative merit of their motivations.
One doesn't committ a motivation violation. One commits an action that is a violation.
Yes your honor, I kicked Mabel for always laughing at me in front of my friends. Yeah, Mr Smith, she should not have laughed at you. Take six months in county
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In comment 14679849 colin said:
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Is intolerable.
Is she making some BS excuse that Rudolph said something racist and therefore deserved to have someone try to kill him? How is race not a factor? If Nick Bosa did this to Cam Newton the reaction would have been much harsher.
Of course it would be. Cam Newton is on the sidelines, you'd have to be a complete maniac on bath salts to assault someone on the sideline with their own helmet.
I wouldn't put it past Garrett. He is a punk and scumbag.
The lengthy thread? There's lengthy threads here on UFOs and Halloween candy, doesn't mean there's any additional verifiable information or proof in it.
This entire incident played out in high def slow mo and was replayed a thousand times over. Outrage isn't "faux" - if he hits Rudolph cleanly there we're talking criminal investigation.
It wasnt just some random beat reporter. Shurmur commented on it as well. Snacks ripped off Hernandezs helmet and swung it at him at a training camp practice. Thats the facts.
The danger of kicking someone on the ground in the protected or unprotected head... is to their neck
The danger of kicking someone on the ground in the protected or unprotected head... is to their neck
I gotta confess Bill, I didn't think of that.
ejection/fine/suspension worthy...sure. Being some kind of massively dangerous situation...not so much.
"bring out Garrett"
reminds me of slapshot.
Several former players are all over the media today saying the same damn thing. Play contrarian all you want, but its not just a BBI reaction
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In comment 14679967 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Rudolph- 1 game
honestly, the debate is comical.
What did Rudolph do to get suspended. Pounce or thr guy who knocked down Rudolph after the fifth but Rudolph.?
he didnt do much of anything. Maybe defend himself with a take down that was illegal. Sure. If anything that should be it. If it were me, i wouldnt give him anything. But if i did, 1 game is enough. Myles on the other hand should get more than 10 games.
I dont see anything from Rudolph that is wrong. I dont see him kicking Garrett or trying to get his helmet off. I doubt even a fine for him. Garrett, gone for a while.
If Pouncey kicked a bit harder he could have snapped his neck.
The punches I don't care so much about because let's be honest - punches are practically routine, and you've never really heard of anyone getting seriously injured by a punch in a football game.
The danger of kicking someone on the ground in the protected or unprotected head... is to their neck
Definitely a fair point. I don't think that'll change enough peoples views though based on the optics
I feel like life is imitating art too much. It reminds me of the point -- counter-point skit in the movie Airplane! when they were "arguing" about the fate of the plane that was in the air.
And the counterpoint was so beautiful "they bought their tickets...they knew this could happen"
There isn't another side here. You want to talk about suspending Pouncey, but seeing anyone try to justify Garrett in any way really goes on my "ignore" list.
When you are upright, the ability to brace your neck is significantly different ( especially if a blow comes from the front or slightly to the side) then when prone and the hit is from behind.
Before seatbelts and headrests and modern bumpers, necks snapped from rear collisions because the head is moving in whatever direction with no muscular tension of the neck, shoulders or chest to hold back its velocity.
When you are upright, the ability to brace your neck is significantly different ( especially if a blow comes from the front or slightly to the side) then when prone and the hit is from behind.
Before seatbelts and headrests and modern bumpers, necks snapped from rear collisions because the head is moving in whatever direction with no muscular tension of the neck, shoulders or chest to hold back its velocity.
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Every person over four knows you can hurt someone badly by swinging a hard object like a helmet at someone else's unprotected head.
Takes a lot of out of control to override a basic biological understanding from early childhood
I don't know about you, but im not into giving other people control or being able to bring risk into my life.
The way the law can work is that someday, somewhere, some up for re-election DA is going to wade in on behalf of his outraged voters.
stupid follows stupid
No place for this in the NFL or any league for that matter.
Pouncey deserves a couple of games, too.
I dont think its assault, but NFL needs to send a message, not only to Garrett, but also the public.
Realistically he should get remainder of this year and all of next year. Pouncey should get 1 game.
He could have walked away? Victim blaming much?
No, Its not a victim blaming. Im looking at the facts as shown on video, and it shows Rudolph initially grabbing Garretts helmet, to the point where it nearly comes off his head. That is certainly what triggered Garrett. And yes, a grown adult with control of his emotions can choose to walk away.
Im not excusing Garrett though.
FMIC brought up a great point, too. There had to be a LOT of bad blood going on, the game was over at that point, and there was no reason to go full out pass rush with 8 or so seconds to go.
The real villain here is Freddie Kitchens, who did not have control of the team (or intentionally was having his players injure the opposition). There were several direct helmet shots to the head by the Browns, and I'm sure Mason was pissed off (not to excuse his behavior). Kitchens needed to get control no later than halftime, but the cheap shots just kept getting worst.
I kept thinking Greg Williams was the DC...if not, that's the type of game Williams would encourage as a DC. And the Browns have been that type of team all season.
Gotta love the USA.
at a minimum - done for the rest of the season, I'm thinking more. could have fractured rudolph's skull
pouncey - 2 games seems about right
Pouncey deserves a couple of games, too.
I was going to say 8 for Garrett, but 16 is defensible too.
I'd give Pouncey 4 games, punching/kicking a guy like that needs to be punished severely, even if Garrett "deserved" it.
Finally, I'd give Rudolph 1 game for his actions and the Browns defender (too lazy to look up the spelling) who laid Rudolph out after Garrett was taken down a 1 game suspension.
Both teams and/or head coaches should be fined as well.
Pouncey deserves a couple of games, too.
Yeah I agree with you but at the very least it needs to be ten games for Garrett.
I could also see Pouncey only getting one game but two seems right because it went beyond throwing punches when he started kicking at Garrett.