This is going to be a big story in the morning. For those of you who did not stay up late, Garrett ripped the helmet off of Mason Rudolph and swung it at him, connecting with Rudolph's head. Rudolph seems fine, but the act itself was incredibly dangerous and Garrett might have an unprecedented suspension coming his way. Possibly season ending.
And Pouncey, although I can't blame him, went nuts on Garrett with punches and kicked him in the head and neck area while he was pinned. All of this and there was :08 seconds left in the game.
And these two teams play again in two weeks.
This is the most Browns thing ever. The defense just played a great game, Mayfield was good, they ran the ball well, and physically beat a division rival they hadn't beaten in what, 5 years I think Joe Buck said? They get a huge win, the game is ending, and their best defensive player puts himself in a situation where he may not play again this season.
This is worse than Haynesworth.
Understood.. and he should expect a fine, perhaps. A suspension would be out of line in my opinion
Gotta love the USA.
Amazing how far folks will go to excuse athletes for anything. Because you know if your hand is "stuck" in a helmet the only course of action is to twist the mans neck while dragging him across the ground. And it only follows that the frustration from that situation will cause one to swing a helmet at an unprotected head.
There were two situations were Garret could have caused a critical injury. He should be facing assault charges and getting a 16 game suspension starting now.
If he slammed Garrett to the ground like DeCastro or threw a couple punches, then I can see that. He went way beyond any rational "protection" of his QB though and I think at one point after starting to walk away he comes back and starts kicking him again.
but that's just my WAG
Gotta love the USA.
I'm not absolving Garrett at all, he's a scumbag for swinging the helmet for ANY reason. However, there were several head shots that were nearly as bad by the Browns (including a Helmet to head that drew blood), and there's no way Kitchens does not see that. He needed to call a time out and take control of his team.
Like it or not, the Head Coach is responsible for the behavior of his players during the game. There's a reason for that, because the game is violent enough as it is in terms of injury. You can't have gladiator games out there, the NFL would be shut down if that happened, and they know this.
If you, as a head coach, can't control your players, you need to be fired. We talked about this on BBI with Coughlin not pulling out OBJ when he went after Norman years ago.
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initial reaction was understandable - then it was over and he continued while refs were trying to gain control. can't have that
Understood.. and he should expect a fine, perhaps. A suspension would be out of line in my opinion
A single punch is an auto ejection and if you had any sort of history of late hits/unnecessary roughness, it would likely also draw a suspension. Multiple punches and kicks? Has to be at least a couple games.
but that's just my WAG
That's my guess as well. No way he's back on the field this year for sure at the least.
The danger of kicking someone on the ground in the protected or unprotected head... is to their neck
Bingo, that is the first thing I thought, you can break a guys neck like that, especially a 300 lb man against a completely immobilized Garrett. Both guys should be suspended for the season.
Pouncey will get one as well but far less. For those questioning him, try to think about the mindset of a OL regarding his QB. Protect.
From a young age the QB right or wrong is looked at differently when it comes to contact. They wear a red shirt in practice, some think coddled with rules favoring them but to a OL protecting him is sacred imv.
Looking at the replay Pouncey seems to lose it when Garrett swung helmet. If he didn't I think he just would have shoved him.
Garrett has been somewhat unhinged this year. He’s had some flagrant physical play that’s been clear and not disciplined. He’s gotten a lot of fouls and penalties called and some have been the judgement type but he’s basically now gone out and tried to hurt quarterbacks three times this year.
Pouncey gets four games, appeals and has it reduced to two games.
There is no excuses for Garrett's behavior or actions. He could have caused a serious injury. I think the league makes an example out of him.
Pouncey's past doesn't help him, which I why I think he gets the four games, but gets reduced to two through appeal.
And threw him on ground in what should have been an obvious penalty
Garrett was still on top of him when Rudolph even did anything to him
Then Garrett violently rips his helmet off him in what could have badly injured him
Then swings it and connects at his head
Rudolph is a victim here 100%
Garrett never should have still been on top of him at that point of the play.
There is a difference between "attempt" if that was even that and actually ripping a helmet off and actually using it as a weapon and hitting an unprotected player with it.
Big difference between the two
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In all from the NFL:
— #Browns
DE Myles Garrett suspended without pay indefinitely, at least the rest of the season.
— #Steelers OL Maurkice Pouncey suspended 3 games and fined
— #Browns
DL Larry Ogunjobi suspended one game and fined.
— Other players involved may be fined.
Pouncey, Garrett and Ogunjobi
Garrett is a 6-4 270 lb human being who aggressively threw him to ground and should be penalized and continued to remain on top of him long after play
Rudolph has a right to get him off him and in the 1-2 seconds his hand touched Garretts helmet, withGarrett on top f him and Rudolph pinned on ground, im not sure I would describe that as an attempt to rip his helmst off.
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In all from the NFL:
— #Browns
DE Myles Garrett suspended without pay indefinitely, at least the rest of the season.
— #Steelers OL Maurkice Pouncey suspended 3 games and fined
— #Browns
DL Larry Ogunjobi suspended one game and fined.
— Other players involved may be fined.
For once, I think they got it right.
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helmet off. Acknowledging that happened doesn't make Garrett's actions less egregious. It just gives a full accounting of the events.
There is a difference between "attempt" if that was even that and actually ripping a helmet off and actually using it as a weapon and hitting an unprotected player with it.
Big difference between the two
Once again... ACCURATELY describing the events doesn't lessen the egregious nature of Garrett's actions. If people aren't interested in accurately describing what happened, then they're probably more interested in narratives than the truth.
I think the NFL got this right for once, even though I would have given Pouncey 1 (and could justify 2) based on how the NFL has treated fights in the past. His reputation didn't help him though.
I think the NFL got this right for once, even though I would have given Pouncey 1 (and could justify 2) based on how the NFL has treated fights in the past. His reputation didn't help him though.
Re: Pouncey
1. As you allude to he has a rep for this
2. Past "fights" typically involve 1-2 punches that may or may not connect. He threw at least half a dozen haymakers at a guy who was pinned to the ground, then got up and proceeded to kick him in the helmet.
The other guy? Should get more than Burficts 12 games.
Should have arrested his ass too.
If a guy hits a coworker like that hes in cuffs and in jail. Playing football shouldn't be a factor. He should have been arrested.
I hope Goodell holds a press conference quickly as well. That would be a good time for him to address this and add that any player/coach using any equipment, foreign object, etc. to strike a player/coach will never play in the NFL again.
well from some of the sports talk shows I listened to this morning, let's just politely ysay that Browns fans aren't unilaterally condemning their boys' actions...last night WAS their Super Bowl for all intents and purposes...
as a NYG fan, I'd be embarrassed to root for a squad of such thugs and punks...
C'mon now, let them play.
He certainly gets something for that. But the Garrett actions were way over the top from the initial hit on Rudolph. He most certainly was trying to cause serious injury.
Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.
Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo
One guy had a helmet on, and one guy didn’t. Nobody swung a helmet a Norman’s bare head, so they are very different. Stop making excuses.
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.
Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo
Yeah that's a weird take.
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In comment 14680328 Steve in ATL said:
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I am not sure that I could be a fan of the team anymore. I'd have to think about it. Wonder what Brown fans are thinking.
Well we saw Odell helmet spear an unsuspecting Norman, not too different. And Many still cheered him and stayed fans of the team sooo
One guy had a helmet on, and one guy didn’t. Nobody swung a helmet a Norman’s bare head, so they are very different. Stop making excuses.
Odell had a running start and bashed someone unsuspecting. The force could’ve crippled him. There’s no place for both of these actions, and same goes for pitchers beaning hitters with 100 mph heaters intentionally
Hats off to Pouncey and DeCastro for coming to the aid of their QB and kicking the shit out of him. He got exactly what he deserved.