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NFT: 11/15 Knicks Chat: We sweep KP!

LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 9:09 am
If your eyes were closed last night with the game on. You might have thought it was Game 7 of the NBA Finals. The Garden was electric last night. This was the one game this year I had circled as a must win, for me at least. I wanted this game badly. It was nice that we swept this asshole too.



Fizdale who is a potato head, lame duck about to be fired head coach actually coached his best game of the year. He kept the rotations short, didn't do stupid shit lineups. And it seems like the Knicks actually moved with-and-without the ball. It's encouraging. But he should still be fired for Dave Joeger.

Couple Notes

-Knicks went 9-11 from the free throw line. Pop your champagne bottles!!!!!


Frank Ntilikina: He got into some foul trouble early (very questionable calls). Knocked down an open 3. Put the clamps on defense in the 4th with 5 fouls. He was very aggressive last night. Two CLUTCH free throws at the end of the game. The most impressive thing about him was his postgame comment. Something we have NEVER seen or heard him say or do.

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Frank Ntilikina:

“How can I get to the next level? By being a dog.”


Dennis Smith Jr: Came in early after Frank picked up 3 quick fouls. Immediately showed his athleticism by driving and finding Mitch and others for some easy buckets. His best game by far. He was pretty winded from logging heavy minutes. But hopefully he can continue to get back into game shape and be a positive for us.

RJ Barrett: Highlight of the night was his spin move off of Doncic at the top of the key, the drive and slam with the right hand. 100% FROM THE FREE THROW LINE (2-2). Finished with 8 points, 7 rebounds and 2 assists.

Marcus Morris: Hit the dagger with the 3 at the end. Huge game from him. Keep improving that trade value.

Julius Randle: I tend to think he really believes in Fizdales stupid ass idea of ISO and comparing us to the Rockets. Randle thinks he has the greenlight to be James Harden or some shit. He could be effective if he had a defined role. He excels when the ball is moving and he can go downhill. He can't create. He's just not that player.

Robinson: Solid outing for Big Meech. 7-8 for 16 points. Was disrupting shots on the defensive end. Collecting 8 rebounds along the way before fouling out.

Other things: Knox came in and continued to show he can still knock down some shots. Which is encouraging. Same with Dotson. Doncic, an all-star. But also a bitch when it comes to playing. Constantly crying.

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That’s one everyone really wanted  
Oscar : 11/15/2019 9:11 am : link
Great win.
If fizdale did what csrlisle did in the 4th  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 9:13 am : link
not bringing back doncic until 7 minutes left in the game he would be killed beyond belief..

Dude got hot at the end of the 3rd and didnt bring him back until he was cold...

Carlisle cooled off doncic for the knicks, i think doncic had 2 pointd in the 4th, kp had zero
There was that one moment at the end, when the ball went OOB  
jcn56 : 11/15/2019 9:19 am : link
after it was tipped and they put 0.8 back on the clock and gave Dallas the ball, where a cold chill ran down my spine in anticipation of the Knicks doing the Knicksiest thing there and losing.

Thankfully it didn't come to that.
Doncic has the makings of a great player  
Chris684 : 11/15/2019 9:21 am : link
but I can't stand he and Porzingis.

So happy to have KP's act out of here.
RE: There was that one moment at the end, when the ball went OOB  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14680010 jcn56 said:
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after it was tipped and they put 0.8 back on the clock and gave Dallas the ball, where a cold chill ran down my spine in anticipation of the Knicks doing the Knicksiest thing there and losing.

Thankfully it didn't come to that.


i was waiting for a fadeaway 3 to tie it..

before that i was like they are going to hit a halfcourt shot
Fun Game  
Heisenberg : 11/15/2019 9:22 am : link
Smith was surprisingly good. Really aggressive but under control when penetrating. He was fun to watch and the offense was much more stagnant when he was out.

Need less of Randle penetration. Fiz is letting him try to be LeBron and he really just is not.

Frank's shot was inconsistent as usual but he was the only one who could affect Luka on defense at all. Luka is some player.

RJ scoring slump continued but that dunk was really fun.
Re Doncic  
Tuckrule : 11/15/2019 9:23 am : link
I’ve noticed that in the few games I’ve seen him play. He whines the entire game to the officials he doesn’t just play basketball. This, unfortunately, is how stars in the nba play.
"By being a dog"...hahahahaha  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 9:32 am : link
Oh, he's a dog already, no question about that.
RE:  
BigBlueShock : 11/15/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14680036 Greg from LI said:
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Oh, he's a dog already, no question about that.

Ridicule him all you want, he was one of the biggest reasons they won that game last night
Was at the game  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 9:49 am : link
The crowd was amazing, really highlights how Knick fans deserve so much better than the crappy product out there now.

A couple of observations:

1) Perry deserves more blame for the team that I originally gave him. The roster is poorly constructed, not enough shooters, the Morris/Randle combo is terrible. None of the 3 point guards can shoot. There were combinations on the court, where I said, who is going to score. He better deal off Morris to a contender for a 1st rounder or another epic fail.

2) The officiating was terrible, Frank and Mitch got called for fouls that I am not sure what they did

3) The 2 most popular players on the Knicks are RJ and Frank (Believe it or not). I think eventually, Frank can be a 2 or 3 in the mold of Bruce Bowen or Sefolosha. RJ should be the 3 and they need a stud point guard.

4) Julius Randle has terrible body language on the court and just is not a winning player

5) KP is not going to love being the #2 on that team, his ego won't allow it. He is living with it right now, but you can see this is going to be Luca's team. KP should have stayed with the Knicks and made it work, the crowd reaction was deserved, no matter what you think of Mills/Perry's ability to build a good team.

6) To repeat - KNICK FANS deserve better, what an amazing and patient bunch we are.

We desperately need to harness Mitchell Robinson's talents.  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 9:52 am : link
He's someone who can average a double-double and lead the league in blocked shots. I'd hate to see him doing that in a different uniform in three years.
RE: Was at the game  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 9:55 am : link
In comment 14680063 Pete44 said:
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KP is not going to love being the #2 on that team, his ego won't allow it. He is living with it right now, but you can see this is going to be Luca's team. KP should have stayed with the Knicks and made it work

I think there's some regret on both sides - Knicks AND Kristaps. Both bailed on the relationship a little too soon. KP obviously enjoyed NY, and probably would've embraced being the leader of a young squad with RJ, Mitch, Knox and Frank. That group could probably attract a good free agent, too.
BC  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 9:58 am : link
Agreed - sadly - KP is exactly what the Knicks need, besides a stud point guard.

Mills/Perry moved fast, because they did not want to be embarassed, no idea what other deals were out there, but if they thought they were getting KD, they had terrible intel.
I still think Frank is going to become a Trevor Ariza type.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/15/2019 10:04 am : link
We gave up on him too soon, and when he learned to hit his 3s, he became an excellent player.
What's up with  
Darth Paul : 11/15/2019 10:34 am : link
RJ Barrett. Is he good or average?
RE: What's up with  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14680129 Darth Paul said:
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RJ Barrett. Is he good or average?


No. 1 rookie in terms of WAR

RE: RE: What's up with  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 11:19 am : link
In comment 14680170 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14680129 Darth Paul said:


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RJ Barrett. Is he good or average?



No. 1 rookie in terms of WAR



Wait shit sorry I read this wrong haha. But he does have a positive WAR
RE: RE: What's up with  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 11:23 am : link
In comment 14680170 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 14680129 Darth Paul said:


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RJ Barrett. Is he good or average?



No. 1 rookie in terms of WAR



That's sorted by minutes played. He's still one of the few (on that snapshot at least) that are positive.
He's pretty average by WS/48  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 11:28 am : link
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Yes.. RJ Barrett is  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 11:35 am : link
good. That's from the eye test.
Great game  
TyreeHelmet : 11/15/2019 11:39 am : link
What an electric crowd. Man it would be nice to have the Knicks playing in the playoffs.

Robinson just oozes talent. He could really be a player.

Porzingis was awful last night. It felt like he didn’t step in the paint on offense.

The crazy thing about this team is that it’s not far off from being decent. Their young guys have talent they just need to be developed and put it together. But the roster construction was so awful and such a mismanagement of the cap. If this team just had Morris and some combo of a shooter and point guard, they would be so much better. Imagine this team with Reddick and Brogdon instead of Randle/ Portis/ Ellington/ Gibson/ Bullock. But Morris has been great all year.

One game though - they need to build off of this.
i liked smith and robinson off the bench  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 11:42 am : link
you didnt have portis protecting the paint and there was spacing for smith and robinson to run pick and roll...

I am good with leaving gibson and frank as starters..
Barrett has played the 1, 2 and 3 on a team  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2019 11:45 am : link
that's been generally discombobulated most of the time, and he's played the most minutes of any rookie. While I haven't seen all of the other rookies play yet, I seriously doubt that any of them has been asked to carry the kind of multiple-positions-on-a-screwed-up-team load that RJB has.

What it's shown me is that he has an excellent feel for all aspects of the game, but his shooting definitely needs improvement. He's a plus player for sure though - and if his shooting improves he'll be a star.

For one night we saw what this team could look like  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 11:45 am : link
with a good point guard, and how much of an immediate difference filling that position would make. I don't expect any consistency from DSJ, but if we get our hands on a good lead guard in this year's draft, we'll have a little something going for us.
How long has it been since a Knick player  
steve in ky : 11/15/2019 11:46 am : link
hit a clutch 3 like Morris did last night in closing moments and game on the line? Feels like it has been a decade of clunkers that we usually see in that situation.
RE: How long has it been since a Knick player  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 11:48 am : link
In comment 14680207 steve in ky said:
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hit a clutch 3 like Morris did last night in closing moments and game on the line? Feels like it has been a decade of clunkers that we usually see in that situation.


probably melo
RE: RE: How long has it been since a Knick player  
steve in ky : 11/15/2019 11:53 am : link
In comment 14680208 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14680207 steve in ky said:


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hit a clutch 3 like Morris did last night in closing moments and game on the line? Feels like it has been a decade of clunkers that we usually see in that situation.



probably melo


Melo got his points, and I'm sure hit hit a few game winners for the Knicks, but by my memory it seems like he was far too often missing those shots.
RE: How long has it been since a Knick player  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14680207 steve in ky said:
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hit a clutch 3 like Morris did last night in closing moments and game on the line? Feels like it has been a decade of clunkers that we usually see in that situation.


I'd say Melo vs the Derrick Rose Bulls a few years back.
RE: RE: RE: How long has it been since a Knick player  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14680214 steve in ky said:
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In comment 14680208 nygiants16 said:


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In comment 14680207 steve in ky said:


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hit a clutch 3 like Morris did last night in closing moments and game on the line? Feels like it has been a decade of clunkers that we usually see in that situation.



probably melo



Melo got his points, and I'm sure hit hit a few game winners for the Knicks, but by my memory it seems like he was far too often missing those shots.


the 2 3s he hit on easter against the bulls are 2 of the clutchest shots any knicks player has ever hit
RE: Great game  
Del Shofner : 11/15/2019 11:58 am : link
In comment 14680192 TyreeHelmet said:
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If this team just had Morris and some combo of a shooter and point guard, they would be so much better.


No disagreement, but as to having both Morris and Randle - they signed Randle first, at a time when it looked like Morris was going to the Spurs. I doubt it was a long-term plan to sign both - more like the opportunity arose to sign Morris and they took it even though they already had Randle. Of course, that doesn't excuse some of the other moves/lack of moves.
If only they can play KP every night  
moespree : 11/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
It's clear they were up for both games against him and I think it's fair to say the two best games they played all season were against him.

As for KP, at least of now, he does not appear to be a great fit with Luka. I don't see any evidence that suggests Luka views him as a co-superstar with himself. I don't know what KP wants out of his career but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he wants out of Dallas too at some point.
Tyree  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 12:08 pm : link
When watching the game, I really could not get over the poor roster construction. In today's NBA, they decided to go with size over shooting. I do think they thought Denis Smith was going to be better.

Fiz is terrible, but Pat Riley would have trouble finding a good combo with this group.

I go back to the lineup they should run out there:

PG: Frank
SG: RJ
SF: Knox
PF: Morris
C: Mitch

6th Man: Randle - (He would lose his mind, but this is his best role)
Effort  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 12:11 pm : link
If the Knicks played with the same effort they did last night, they would win 30 games and not lose to teams like Cleveland and Sacramento at home.

It was obvious from tip, they were jacked for this game and were not going to allow KP to get the better of them.

KP is going to want out of Dallas, Luca is the star of that team. My issue with KP is was that he accomplished zero in his career, except proving to be injury prone and wanted to be treated like Lebron James. In my mind, his former teammates know it and the fans know it, no matter what kind of passive aggressive remarks he makes about what really happened between him and the Knicks.
Frank?  
dannysection 313 : 11/15/2019 12:20 pm : link
Don't get the love for this player. Yes, he plays D and he's the first Knick since Clyde to know how to throw a bounce pass, but Dennis Smith, despite everything, showed what a real PG can do last night and his 30 minutes were better than anything Frank has shown this year.

Frank at the 2? Don't see it, he doesn't score the ball, shoot the 3 with confidence and consistency, etc.

Seems like a real nice kid, but I think he's a marginal NBA player.

Don't care if it's not the cool thing to say these days as a Knick fan, but trading KP was stupid, stupid, stupid...the Knicks finally had a superstar-ish player and they blew it...Mismanaged personal issue, smart owners and GM's would have brought him back into the fold, he's a kid and going head to head with him was hubris at best, pig-headed at worst....
Some of the things RJ is doing, as a rookie ...  
Beezer : 11/15/2019 12:22 pm : link
he's very good, and will be star in the league.

Frank is just starting to have the light switched to the ON position.
RE: Frank?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14680264 dannysection 313 said:
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Don't get the love for this player. Yes, he plays D and he's the first Knick since Clyde to know how to throw a bounce pass, but Dennis Smith, despite everything, showed what a real PG can do last night and his 30 minutes were better than anything Frank has shown this year.

Frank at the 2? Don't see it, he doesn't score the ball, shoot the 3 with confidence and consistency, etc.

Seems like a real nice kid, but I think he's a marginal NBA player.

Don't care if it's not the cool thing to say these days as a Knick fan, but trading KP was stupid, stupid, stupid...the Knicks finally had a superstar-ish player and they blew it...Mismanaged personal issue, smart owners and GM's would have brought him back into the fold, he's a kid and going head to head with him was hubris at best, pig-headed at worst....


You must not watch much basketball. I'll forgive your ignorance.
Have to wonder  
steve in ky : 11/15/2019 12:24 pm : link
if KP playing second fiddle to Luca and seeing how jacked the garden was some part of him wasn't playing "what if" he was still the #1 guy in NY? It's human nature to play that out in your mind.
RE: Frank?  
Beezer : 11/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14680264 dannysection 313 said:
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Don't get the love for this player. Yes, he plays D and he's the first Knick since Clyde to know how to throw a bounce pass, but Dennis Smith, despite everything, showed what a real PG can do last night and his 30 minutes were better than anything Frank has shown this year.

Frank at the 2? Don't see it, he doesn't score the ball, shoot the 3 with confidence and consistency, etc.

Seems like a real nice kid, but I think he's a marginal NBA player.

Don't care if it's not the cool thing to say these days as a Knick fan, but trading KP was stupid, stupid, stupid...the Knicks finally had a superstar-ish player and they blew it...Mismanaged personal issue, smart owners and GM's would have brought him back into the fold, he's a kid and going head to head with him was hubris at best, pig-headed at worst....


I could see DSJ as the starter at the 1 eventually (when he gets back in a groove), with Frank spelling him. You might lose scoring from the point with the second crew in, but you'll get that defensive intensity + an unselfish, team player.
it's almost like, if they really develop,  
wigs in nyc : 11/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
the DSJ/Frank combo at the 1 isn't the worst pairing?
Another good draft pick ... or maybe two? (See what can come  
Beezer : 11/15/2019 12:34 pm : link
later this season for a package of solid vets to a playoff-bound team ... bring a few guys in from Westchester to round the roster ...

And look at FA again in the off-season.

I'm NOT in the "dump Fizdale" camp. Not yet. I think he's a bit over his head right now and thought the team would battle night in and out ... when they don't, I think he panics a bit (ie, his non-stop rotations that sometimes make absolutely zero sense - for the situation ... for the team's development or future ... none of it).

But I think pulling the plug on him THIS soon would be a mistake.
Now that KP has his guaranteed max contract  
shyster : 11/15/2019 12:39 pm : link
he will play the good employee to whoever is signing his checks.

Whatever the Mavs want him to do, he'll do. If things aren't going well, nobody else is going to want give up anything for his contract, so "asking out" won't be on the table.

The Knicks did not want to commit to KP the player. Once that is recognized, none of the other issues matter.

Knicks have done so many other things wrong, it may be hard to accept that they got this decision right, but the evidence tends that way.

KP has to be a better shooter than he is showing for his overall game to be worth the contract.
By the way, have we heard from the New York media  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 12:45 pm : link
about those 4-7 Brooklyn Nets? Any snarky tweets from Isola or Bondy?
Nets  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 12:51 pm : link
I was always puzzled by those that claimed how good the Nets supporting cast was. I'm not surprised by the 4-7 record at all, I think eventually, if Kyrie stays healthy will be similar to last seasons record.

Kyrie is better than Russell, but not by that much.

Lavert is injury prone, was in college and is in the pros

Jarret Allen is a limited player

Joe Harris/Dinwiddie - good role players, but not starters on a championship team.
RE: By the way, have we heard from the New York media  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14680309 bceagle05 said:
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about those 4-7 Brooklyn Nets? Any snarky tweets from Isola or Bondy?


because nobody cares
I am not trying to kill the nets  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 1:27 pm : link
but could you imagine if knicks signed kyrie coming off of a 500 season and playoffs and started 4-7 they would be killed
Yeah, that's all I was getting at.  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 1:43 pm : link
I enjoy watching Nets games, but they can't just be a vehicle for more Knicks bashing.
Knicks looked great last night.  
GiantsUA : 11/15/2019 1:46 pm : link
Let's hope it keeps up(where has that kind of intensity been all year).

Ball movement, help defense, good decisions - Good entertainment.

When the crowd was chanting KP Sucks, they panned in on Dolan - he should be the focus of the crowds ire
Frank stat!  
Enzo : 11/15/2019 1:50 pm : link
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The team’s net rating is -6.7 when he’s on the court, -12.2 when he’s off, which is easily the biggest difference among the eight Knicks who have seen regular minutes. Most of that difference is unsurprisingly on defense, but they actually score more with him on the court as well.

Link - ( New Window )
anyone else notice in the 4th  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 1:59 pm : link
Doncic wanted nothing to do with frank, he kept trying to get the swotch to get away from him..
RE: anyone else notice in the 4th  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14680373 nygiants16 said:
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Doncic wanted nothing to do with frank, he kept trying to get the swotch to get away from him..


Uh huh. He blew right by Frenchy for an easy layup to tie the game right before Morris hit the game winner.
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