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NFT: 11/15 Knicks Chat: We sweep KP!

LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 9:09 am
If your eyes were closed last night with the game on. You might have thought it was Game 7 of the NBA Finals. The Garden was electric last night. This was the one game this year I had circled as a must win, for me at least. I wanted this game badly. It was nice that we swept this asshole too.



Fizdale who is a potato head, lame duck about to be fired head coach actually coached his best game of the year. He kept the rotations short, didn't do stupid shit lineups. And it seems like the Knicks actually moved with-and-without the ball. It's encouraging. But he should still be fired for Dave Joeger.

Couple Notes

-Knicks went 9-11 from the free throw line. Pop your champagne bottles!!!!!


Frank Ntilikina: He got into some foul trouble early (very questionable calls). Knocked down an open 3. Put the clamps on defense in the 4th with 5 fouls. He was very aggressive last night. Two CLUTCH free throws at the end of the game. The most impressive thing about him was his postgame comment. Something we have NEVER seen or heard him say or do.

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Frank Ntilikina:

“How can I get to the next level? By being a dog.”


Dennis Smith Jr: Came in early after Frank picked up 3 quick fouls. Immediately showed his athleticism by driving and finding Mitch and others for some easy buckets. His best game by far. He was pretty winded from logging heavy minutes. But hopefully he can continue to get back into game shape and be a positive for us.

RJ Barrett: Highlight of the night was his spin move off of Doncic at the top of the key, the drive and slam with the right hand. 100% FROM THE FREE THROW LINE (2-2). Finished with 8 points, 7 rebounds and 2 assists.

Marcus Morris: Hit the dagger with the 3 at the end. Huge game from him. Keep improving that trade value.

Julius Randle: I tend to think he really believes in Fizdales stupid ass idea of ISO and comparing us to the Rockets. Randle thinks he has the greenlight to be James Harden or some shit. He could be effective if he had a defined role. He excels when the ball is moving and he can go downhill. He can't create. He's just not that player.

Robinson: Solid outing for Big Meech. 7-8 for 16 points. Was disrupting shots on the defensive end. Collecting 8 rebounds along the way before fouling out.

Other things: Knox came in and continued to show he can still knock down some shots. Which is encouraging. Same with Dotson. Doncic, an all-star. But also a bitch when it comes to playing. Constantly crying.

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RE: RE: anyone else notice in the 4th  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 2:03 pm : link
In comment 14680375 Greg from LI said:
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Doncic wanted nothing to do with frank, he kept trying to get the swotch to get away from him..



Uh huh. He blew right by Frenchy for an easy layup to tie the game right before Morris hit the game winner.


no he didnt
seth curry got the putback  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 2:04 pm : link
the layup doncic hit they let him go because they didnt want to give up a 3 or foul him when they were up 3
RE: seth curry got the putback  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 2:25 pm : link
In comment 14680378 nygiants16 said:
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the layup doncic hit they let him go because they didnt want to give up a 3 or foul him when they were up 3


Greg doesn't watch the games clearly. He also said Kemba cooked Frank plenty of times during the game against Boston. Even though he only scored 3 off the French Prince.
I don’t want to wish injury on anyone  
Vanzetti : 11/15/2019 2:26 pm : link
But if Doncic went out with some non career threatening injury. Like a broken hand, it would definitely benefit the Knicks
RE: RE: seth curry got the putback  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14680401 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Greg doesn't watch the games clearly. He also said Kemba cooked Frank plenty of times during the game against Boston. Even though he only scored 3 off the French Prince.


I do watch the games, you stupid motherfucker. If I was wrong about the sequence, then I'm wrong. Go jerk off to Fab Five highlights, babble "COPESANITY!" to yourself, and pretend that Michigan is fucking relevant in any way, shape, or form.
RE: I don’t want to wish injury on anyone  
Pete44 : 11/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14680402 Vanzetti said:
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But if Doncic went out with some non career threatening injury. Like a broken hand, it would definitely benefit the Knicks



Next Year
Just watching the highlights  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 2:40 pm : link
Csrlisle waited until 5 and half minutes to bring back doncic and kp...
It is weird to deny what Frank does on defense  
Heisenberg : 11/15/2019 2:47 pm : link
and only focus on his limited and inconsistent offensive game.

Frank wasn't a Luka stopper but he was also the only one who didn't let Luka do whatever the hell he wanted to do, too.

RE: RE: RE: seth curry got the putback  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/15/2019 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14680406 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14680401 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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Greg doesn't watch the games clearly. He also said Kemba cooked Frank plenty of times during the game against Boston. Even though he only scored 3 off the French Prince.



I do watch the games, you stupid motherfucker. If I was wrong about the sequence, then I'm wrong. Go jerk off to Fab Five highlights, babble "COPESANITY!" to yourself, and pretend that Michigan is fucking relevant in any way, shape, or form.


Wow man. You really flew off the handle there. You okay, bud? I know you hate everything, and all. No need to be like that. It's okay. If you want, I can give you my login credentials to NBA League Pass so you can start watching the Knicks games going forward.

#HAIL
RE: RE: RE: RE: seth curry got the putback  
Earl the goat : 11/15/2019 3:26 pm : link
In comment 14680420 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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In comment 14680401 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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Greg doesn't watch the games clearly. He also said Kemba cooked Frank plenty of times during the game against Boston. Even though he only scored 3 off the French Prince.



I do watch the games, you stupid motherfucker. If I was wrong about the sequence, then I'm wrong. Go jerk off to Fab Five highlights, babble "COPESANITY!" to yourself, and pretend that Michigan is fucking relevant in any way, shape, or form.



Wow man. You really flew off the handle there. You okay, bud? I know you hate everything, and all. No need to be like that. It's okay. If you want, I can give you my login credentials to NBA League Pass so you can start watching the Knicks games going forward.

#HAIL




Greg is a psychopath. I know his psychiatrist very well. He told me he hasn’t been taking his meds
How has no one  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 4:58 pm : link
mentioned that the Knicks are 1.5 games back in the East.
RE: How has no one  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14680507 Jon in NYC said:
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mentioned that the Knicks are 1.5 games back in the East.


Because it doesn't mean anything after 11 games?
RE: RE: How has no one  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 5:00 pm : link
In comment 14680509 Greg from LI said:
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mentioned that the Knicks are 1.5 games back in the East.



Because it doesn't mean anything after 11 games?


Sure it does. They’re 3-9 and not totally cooked.
They're not totally cooked because  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 5:03 pm : link
a)the East still stinks
b)again, everyone's only played 11 or 12 games. They have had a chance to put the Knicks far into the rearview yet.

Another way to look at it - they're 1-9 against teams other than the Dallas Mavericks.
haven't had, that is  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 5:03 pm : link
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RE: They're not totally cooked because  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14680514 Greg from LI said:
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a)the East still stinks
b)again, everyone's only played 11 or 12 games. They have had a chance to put the Knicks far into the rearview yet.

Another way to look at it - they're 1-9 against teams other than the Dallas Mavericks.


Great -- those are all true.

In another universe the Knicks continue to improve and catch the Hawks, who are in the 7th seed right now at a whopping 4-7.
Whatever you need to tell yourself  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 5:22 pm : link
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Knicks need to win the  
GMEN46 : 11/15/2019 5:36 pm : link
Next 2 games at home against below average teams
RE: Whatever you need to tell yourself  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14680537 Greg from LI said:
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I choose to be optimistic.
RE: RE: Whatever you need to tell yourself  
Canton : 11/15/2019 6:22 pm : link
In comment 14680555 Jon in NYC said:
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I choose to be optimistic.



Greg chose to irrigate his vagina and take an enima at the same time..

Thus the douchebaggery.

Is there a bigger douche than richard jefferson?  
nygiants16 : 11/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
making fun of the knicks for being 3-9 and says knicks are irrelevant to the nba..

Funny nobody talking about the nets who are 4-7 that you called a 50 win team..
RE: Is there a bigger douche than richard jefferson?  
TyreeHelmet : 11/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14680585 nygiants16 said:
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making fun of the knicks for being 3-9 and says knicks are irrelevant to the nba..

Funny nobody talking about the nets who are 4-7 that you called a 50 win team..


The one thing the Knicks are not is irrelevant. They were a national news story everywhere this week. They may be bad and poorly run but they generate a ton of buzz
Morant putting on a show.  
bceagle05 : 11/15/2019 8:56 pm : link
We need a damn lead guard in this year’s draft. Long overdue.
RE: Is there a bigger douche than richard jefferson?  
BigBlueShock : 11/15/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14680585 nygiants16 said:
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making fun of the knicks for being 3-9 and says knicks are irrelevant to the nba..

Funny nobody talking about the nets who are 4-7 that you called a 50 win team..

Jefferson is insanely unprofessional when it comes to the Knicks. He was laughing at the Knicks and the fans last week too. He needs to be throat punched. The fact he’s still talking about them tells you how “irrelevant” they are
Tank for Cole Anthony at the Point next year.  
Optimus-NY : 11/15/2019 9:20 pm : link
That would be great to watch: Hometown kid; son of former Knick who played on the almost championship teams of the 90s; instant upgrade---it would be too good to be true.
Is it absolutely insane  
Jon in NYC : 11/16/2019 12:01 am : link
to offer Fred VanVleet a big deal next year?

17-8-4 this year with 1.6 steals and is a very good defender.
RE: Is it absolutely insane  
TommyWiseau : 11/16/2019 1:23 am : link
In comment 14680649 Jon in NYC said:
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to offer Fred VanVleet a big deal next year?

17-8-4 this year with 1.6 steals and is a very good defender.


Love VanVleet. He would be far and away better then anything we have. Love his defensive play and he can shoot the 3
Morant  
GMEN46 : 11/16/2019 6:57 am : link
Don’t get me wrong I have liked what I have seen so far from Barrett, but man did we miss out on Morant. Barret is a good athlete, but he is definetly a little stiff laterally and not an elite athlete. Morant is so smooth and athletic and shows he has a future to be above average or elite at all aspects of the game. I will be the first to admit I leaned barret over Morant even if the Knicks had the 2nd pick, but I can tell already I am going to be wrong on that one.
RE: Morant  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/16/2019 7:32 am : link
In comment 14680694 GMEN46 said:
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Don’t get me wrong I have liked what I have seen so far from Barrett, but man did we miss out on Morant. Barret is a good athlete, but he is definetly a little stiff laterally and not an elite athlete. Morant is so smooth and athletic and shows he has a future to be above average or elite at all aspects of the game. I will be the first to admit I leaned barret over Morant even if the Knicks had the 2nd pick, but I can tell already I am going to be wrong on that one.


How did he we miss out on Morant? We weren't in position to draft him.
RE: Is it absolutely insane  
Anakim : 11/16/2019 7:54 am : link
In comment 14680649 Jon in NYC said:
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to offer Fred VanVleet a big deal next year?

17-8-4 this year with 1.6 steals and is a very good defender.


We got the shittier the Wichita State guard :(
RE: Is it absolutely insane  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/16/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14680649 Jon in NYC said:
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to offer Fred VanVleet a big deal next year?

17-8-4 this year with 1.6 steals and is a very good defender.


I would. But there’s no point with Fizdale. We’d have to have another coach in place.
RE: Is it absolutely insane  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/16/2019 9:45 am : link
In comment 14680649 Jon in NYC said:
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to offer Fred VanVleet a big deal next year?

17-8-4 this year with 1.6 steals and is a very good defender.


I would. But there’s no point with Fizdale. We’d have to have another coach in place.
I said before the season  
Enzo : 11/16/2019 10:09 am : link
we have the worst PG situation in the league. I still think Frank can be a productive regular, but he's probably not going to be a dynamic lead guard anytime soon. So yes, they should be trying to get VanVleet or trade for Russel or exploring any other avenues to upgrade the guard spot. Just in their division you have Kemba, Kryie, and Simmons. We are light years away from a guy who can hang with them.
Somebody floated Barrett at the 3 for this year  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 10:28 am : link
Which gives you some combination of Frank,Smith AND Trier to get more playmaking at the 1+2.

And someone floated Knox at the 4, because he does look like a 4. Especially if he keep growing. Bully faced kid, let him start banging.

So that's

Smith or Frank @1 or Peyton
Frank or Trier or Smith @2
Barrett @3
Knox @4 or portis Outside
Robinson @5 or randle Inside

Lots more 3s 1-4 and more attacking paint.
RE: Somebody floated Barrett at the 3 for this year  
Mike in NY : 11/16/2019 12:03 pm : link
In comment 14680821 idiotsavant said:
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Which gives you some combination of Frank,Smith AND Trier to get more playmaking at the 1+2.

And someone floated Knox at the 4, because he does look like a 4. Especially if he keep growing. Bully faced kid, let him start banging.

So that's

Smith or Frank @1 or Peyton
Frank or Trier or Smith @2
Barrett @3
Knox @4 or portis Outside
Robinson @5 or randle Inside

Lots more 3s 1-4 and more attacking paint.


Where does that leave Marcus Morris?
Hehe  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 12:40 pm : link
He's good. Trade him?
Why are people so quick to trade morris?  
nygiants16 : 11/16/2019 12:47 pm : link
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RE: Why are people so quick to trade morris?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/16/2019 1:03 pm : link
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He’s only here for one year. He’s a vet. He’s the only one with legit trade value.
RE: Morant  
Strahan91 : 11/16/2019 1:03 pm : link
In comment 14680694 GMEN46 said:
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Don’t get me wrong I have liked what I have seen so far from Barrett, but man did we miss out on Morant. Barret is a good athlete, but he is definetly a little stiff laterally and not an elite athlete. Morant is so smooth and athletic and shows he has a future to be above average or elite at all aspects of the game. I will be the first to admit I leaned barret over Morant even if the Knicks had the 2nd pick, but I can tell already I am going to be wrong on that one.

Morant looks great so far but he's also a year older than Barrett. This time last year a lot of people (myself included) thought Trae Young would wind up a bust.
RE: RE: Why are people so quick to trade morris?  
nygiants16 : 11/16/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14680940 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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He’s only here for one year. He’s a vet. He’s the only one with legit trade value.


you dont know if he is here for one year, and exactly he is a vet, these young guys need vets like marcus morris
RE: RE: RE: Why are people so quick to trade morris?  
Mike in NJ : 11/16/2019 2:24 pm : link
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He’s only here for one year. He’s a vet. He’s the only one with legit trade value.



you dont know if he is here for one year, and exactly he is a vet, these young guys need vets like marcus morris


If I had to choose, I would rather trade Randle and figure out a way to keep Morris beyond this year. I could see Morris being in the starting lineup of a contender, I don't think you could say the same for Randle. He comes off as a "good stats, bad team" guy to me. That said, you could probably get slightly more in a trade for Randle because he is younger and has potentially 2 more years of control after this year.

As for fit with the Knicks, I also think Morris gives more flexibility to play alongside the young guys. As I had mentioned in another thread, I think we have a few guys playing out of position (mainly Barrett, Knox and Ntilikina). I think Barrett is a 3, and Knox is a stretch 4. Knox especially just doesn't have the quickness to keep up with perimeter players, he needs to bulk up and defend power forwards. Morris can play the 4 next to Barrett or could fit just as well at the 3 next to Knox. Depending on the opponent, I also think you can get away with a few minutes of Morris as a small ball 5.

Randle on the other hand is pretty much pigeon holed to the 4, and because of the amount of minutes he plays, that limits Knox's ability to play that position. I do think Randle would do well in spots as a small ball 5, but Fizdale hasn't shown any willingness to do that. God forbid he do something that'll take minutes away from Bobby Portis!

Good trade Randle then  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 2:27 pm : link
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I’d be very open to re-signing Morris.  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2019 2:42 pm : link
We don’t need $70 million in cap space every summer to sign 10 different mercenaries. Morris, Frank and Mitch are excellent defenders, RJ is a solid defender - put those four on the court with a good lead guard - hopefully found in the draft - and we might have a watchable product next season. Knox and Randle can provide bench scoring.
I know Condale's offense stinks  
ghost718 : 11/16/2019 8:47 pm : link
But this guy Randle is one dumb basketball player
charlotte chucks a bunch of 3s  
nygiants16 : 11/16/2019 9:04 pm : link
so yes lets play zone
Another average guard lighting us up.  
bceagle05 : 11/16/2019 9:08 pm : link
At least we're winning.
Knicks actually looking like a team tonight  
steve in ky : 11/16/2019 9:08 pm : link
They are all playing with a lot of effort. Let’s see if they can keep it up and make it two in a row
Kyrie out with shoulder; Nets win at CHI  
shyster : 11/16/2019 9:11 pm : link
30 assists on 40 made FGs and all five starters in double figures.
Man the Hornets sure can hit the 3’s  
steve in ky : 11/16/2019 9:14 pm : link
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RE: Another average guard lighting us up.  
nygiants16 : 11/16/2019 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14681214 bceagle05 said:
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At least we're winning.


he is their leasing score..

charlotte just chucks, and of course fizdales defense is playing below the arc
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