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Stephen A, Kellerman, and Riddick on Myles Garrett's Swing

RC in MD : 11/15/2019 10:18 am
Just watching ESPN right now, and Max Kellerman is blaming Mason Rudolph for Myles Garrett's swinging of the helmet at Rudolph's head. And he's calling this reaction an overreaction to something that only rates 2-4 game suspension. I'm loving Stephen A and Louis Riddick lambasting him and Kellerman digging deeper.

I normally don't mind Kellerman, but dude is coming off like a moron this morning.

And yes, I'm watching ESPN...fail on me.
Remember they  
Carl in CT : 11/15/2019 10:20 am : link
Both pick a side. It was the hand given to him.
Kellerman IS a moron.  
Britt in VA : 11/15/2019 10:20 am : link
I'll never listen to another word he says after the way he reacted to the Daniel Jones pick.
RE: Kellerman IS a moron.  
Giantology : 11/15/2019 10:21 am : link
In comment 14680112 Britt in VA said:
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I'll never listen to another word he says after the way he reacted to the Daniel Jones pick.


At least he admitted he was wrong, though I haven't heard him comment on DJ's most recent performances.
swinging a hard shell helmet  
bc4life : 11/15/2019 10:23 am : link
at the head of a helmetless player is dangerous.

you can't talk about concern over concussions and player health and not react to this with an extreme penalty
Gotta love  
Les in TO : 11/15/2019 10:24 am : link
Victim blaming.
Well Rudolph  
Nick in LA : 11/15/2019 10:27 am : link
did try to twist his helmet off when they were on the ground and then kicked Garrett in the nuts. They all played their part in that mess last night. Rudolph isn't innocent here, but obviously Garrett took it wayyyy too far.
yeah, I wouldn't characterize Rudolph as an innocent bystander  
Greg from LI : 11/15/2019 10:30 am : link
But that's still a laughable take from Kellerman.
That's the game these shows play  
ZogZerg : 11/15/2019 10:35 am : link
They probably Drew straws to see who would take MG side.

Again, not sure why you are watching that trash.
For those of us who missed it, what site has the best video coverage  
CT Charlie : 11/15/2019 10:40 am : link
of the entire incident? I think the league will have a difficult time deciding what to do about Rudolph and Pouncey. From all I've read, Rudolph's twisting Garrett's helmet could be interpreted in several ways.
RE: Well Rudolph  
BillT : 11/15/2019 10:51 am : link
In comment 14680124 Nick in LA said:
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did try to twist his helmet off when they were on the ground and then kicked Garrett in the nuts. They all played their part in that mess last night. Rudolph isn't innocent here, but obviously Garrett took it wayyyy too far.

Don't believe the film shows either one of these things about Rudolph as true.
Broadcast video  
skifaster : 11/15/2019 10:53 am : link
Here:
Broadcast recording - ( New Window )
It's  
Toth029 : 11/15/2019 10:57 am : link
A fake debate show.
RE: It's  
Rory : 11/15/2019 11:06 am : link
In comment 14680151 Toth029 said:
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A fake debate show.


this^
There is no doubt Rudolph  
joeinpa : 11/15/2019 11:09 am : link
Instigated the incident, it happens all the time in sports, especially in the NFL.

But Garret, had a different part of the helmet hit Rudolph, on a certain part of the head, could have killed him.

There is no equating what Garret did to normal sorts rhubarbs, and any attempt to explain away or minimize what he did is missing the point.

There is no doubt in my opinion that he will be suspended for the remainder of the year and rightfully so.

Even when the Browns get a signature win, they screw it up, that s what undisciplined teams always do.
Kellerman  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2019 11:09 am : link
Staged or not he sounds like a absolute moron. He should and will get grilled for this.
To those that say Rudolph instigated this, how about what was  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/15/2019 11:23 am : link
going to be a roughing the passer penalty on Garrett at the waning seconds of an already determined game? The Browns were apparently head hunting all game.

I actually commend Rudolph for being so feisty, stupid as it was.

It’s kinda of funny looking at the talking heads taking the unexpected sides on this. I won’t go there but it’s just funny.
We’re talking about the opinion of Stephen A Smith, as in the  
mfsd : 11/15/2019 11:48 am : link
guy who said we need to talk about “elements of provocation” regarding athletes beating women?

Yeah, I don’t give a fuck what he thinks
Rudolph was in no way innocent  
nyballa0891 : 11/15/2019 11:50 am : link
Other videos catch him trying to take garrett's helmet off first and then kicking him in the groin. While a 4 game suspension is light in my eyes, there was a similar incident with antonio smith and richie incognito which netted 4 games.
Mason Rudolph and Pouncey ...  
Spider56 : 11/15/2019 11:55 am : link
Can play for me any day.
How did Rudolph instigate it?  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/15/2019 11:56 am : link
It started with a way late dirty takedown by Garrett.
It's ESPN  
BigBlue2112 : 11/15/2019 12:04 pm : link
they love the victim mentality
Definitely a scripted show  
moespree : 11/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
However, I hope they're at least paying these guys well to always have such over the top takes that make them look like fools.
You realize the format of the show is to be on opposite sides  
Mike from Ohio : 11/15/2019 12:13 pm : link
of the argument, right? It's unlikely Kellerman watched than clip and thought to himself "What the hell is wrong with Mason Rudolph?"

These are actors playing out the lines they are given for entertainment purposes, not a forum for insightful discussion and debate.
They are basically handed a script when they  
Mr. Bungle : 11/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
show up to the studio each day. If they all agree on the day's big sports story, there's no "debate." And if there's no debate, there's no show.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people are entertained by it. And how it generates "buzz."
RE: Kellerman  
Mike from Ohio : 11/15/2019 12:15 pm : link
In comment 14680163 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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Staged or not he sounds like a absolute moron. He should and will get grilled for this.


Anyone grilling Kellerman for this is just showing they are completely clueless, and don't comprehend what they are watching.
RE: RE: Kellerman  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/15/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14680252 Mike from Ohio said:
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Staged or not he sounds like a absolute moron. He should and will get grilled for this.



Anyone grilling Kellerman for this is just showing they are completely clueless, and don't comprehend what they are watching.


Thank you. I am enlightened by your counsel.
RE: RE: Well Rudolph  
Nick in LA : 11/15/2019 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14680145 BillT said:
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did try to twist his helmet off when they were on the ground and then kicked Garrett in the nuts. They all played their part in that mess last night. Rudolph isn't innocent here, but obviously Garrett took it wayyyy too far.


Don't believe the film shows either one of these things about Rudolph as true.


I don't believe you've actually seen any footage then.
Kellerman  
KWALL2 : 11/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
"If I bring a bat to a fight with a bigger guy, the stronger guy takes the bat, and hits me with the bat...."

This came out of his mouth today.
Kellerman  
KWALL2 : 11/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
"If I bring a bat to a fight with a bigger guy, the stronger guy takes the bat, and hits me with the bat...."

This came out of his mouth today.
RE: Rudolph was in no way innocent  
twostepgiants : 11/15/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14680211 nyballa0891 said:
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Other videos catch him trying to take garrett's helmet off first and then kicking him in the groin. While a 4 game suspension is light in my eyes, there was a similar incident with antonio smith and richie incognito which netted 4 games.


How dare Rudolph try and defend himself.
RE: How did Rudolph instigate it?  
Tuckrule : 11/15/2019 1:16 pm : link
In comment 14680222 sb from NYT Forum said:
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It started with a way late dirty takedown by Garrett.


Thank you. This is something nobody mentions. The game was completely decided he had mason wrapped up and could have easily stopped and let him go(Mathias kiwanuka did it). Instead, he spins him into the turf and falls on him. The ref threw his flag clearly for roughing the passer. That is what instigated this all.
RE: Remember they  
jpkmets : 11/15/2019 1:21 pm : link
In comment 14680110 Carl in CT said:
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Both pick a side. It was the hand given to him.

That was my thought - I'm "working from home" today, so am watching their show (which I honestly have come to love) now so I can forward through commercials.

I have no idea how these shows are set up, but I imagine they have a preproduction meeting where they agree to each take a side. I like Maxie -- he's been my guy since getting into his excellent boxing commentary -- and I don't think this is his true position on the matter.
RE: They are basically handed a script when they  
jpkmets : 11/15/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14680248 Mr. Bungle said:
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show up to the studio each day. If they all agree on the day's big sports story, there's no "debate." And if there's no debate, there's no show.

For the life of me, I can't understand why people are entertained by it. And how it generates "buzz."


Lol. Guilty! I really like it when I'm working from home. It's like comfort food to be on in the background. And their takes are usually pretty reasonable - they are especially good on NBA.
RE: RE: RE: Well Rudolph  
BillT : 11/15/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14680272 Nick in LA said:
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did try to twist his helmet off when they were on the ground and then kicked Garrett in the nuts. They all played their part in that mess last night. Rudolph isn't innocent here, but obviously Garrett took it wayyyy too far.


Don't believe the film shows either one of these things about Rudolph as true.



I don't believe you've actually seen any footage then.

He had his left hand caught underneath Garrett's facemask and used his right hand to leverage his other hand out. The only time he has his foot neat Garret's groin is after Garrett grabbed his facemask and he didn't kick him. The helmet thing maybe could go either way but he didn't kick him in the nuts.
I didn't see a kick  
allstarjim : 11/15/2019 2:13 pm : link
This is the way I saw it. Rudolph was pissed, I don't think his hand was "stuck" in Garrett's facemask. I think when he grabbed the back of Garrett's helmet he was trying to tear it off. He used his foot against Garrett's thigh/groin area to push off for leverage to help him rip off Garrett's helmet.

Rudolph instigated. He should be fined, maybe suspended 1 game for his actions. That doesn't excuse Garrett's actions, which were beyond the pale and extremely dangerous, which should carry a heavy penalty. Said it in the other thread, Garrett shouldn't play again this season.
RE: I didn't see a kick  
Milton : 11/15/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14680386 allstarjim said:
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Rudolph instigated. He should be fined, maybe suspended 1 game for his actions.
As others have repeatedly pointe out, it was the egregiously late hit that instigated it. The game was already decided, so Garrett figured there was no harm to be had from the 15-yard penalty. It was as cheap as it gets. Well, turns out it cost him and his team a lot more than 15 yards.
As for Kellerman...  
Milton : 11/15/2019 2:41 pm : link
They needed to have the white guy on the show defending Garrett or it would seem like the opinion was racially motivated.
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