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Joe Schobert LB... FA this off-season...What a game

shocktheworld : 11/15/2019 11:54 am
This dude was literally everywhere last night. If we can pair him with a healthy Connelly next year, that's a huge improvement from our shitty LB group...

His stat line:
2 Interceptions, 10 tackles, a sack, two tackles for loss, two QB hits, and four pass breakups...imagine getting that from a LB... Haha
tackles aside  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 12:02 pm : link
That's a typical line for our ILBs for a full season. Granted, it also looks like a typical season's line for Schobert too considering his career numbers are now:

4 INTs (half last night)
16 PDs (25% last night)
14 TFLs (12.5% last night)
19 QBHits (~10% last night)

So what makes you think he can produce at a high level for a full season?

And I hope they enter 2020 with Connely as the 3rd ILB.
I've had him on my fantasy team the last two season  
bradshaw44 : 11/15/2019 12:07 pm : link
So I pay close attention to him. Guy is a solid ass LB. He doesn't get a lot of run in the media for some reason.
Shaq Thompson  
AdamBrag : 11/15/2019 12:12 pm : link
I would be surprised if we don't sign Shaq Thompson and have him play ILB.
What's his full body of work look like?  
JonC : 11/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
Let's not get too hung up on one game for this guy, Clowney, et al. UFA is way too expensive to let your feet get too far off the ground.
RE: Shaq Thompson  
Toth029 : 11/15/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14680243 AdamBrag said:
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I would be surprised if we don't sign Shaq Thompson and have him play ILB.

Definitely if CAR doesn't tag him.
Back up the truck for Corey Littleton, Patrick Onwuassor...  
Klaatu : 11/15/2019 12:29 pm : link
Or Blake Martinez.
Lets  
Jon in NYC : 11/15/2019 12:45 pm : link
get an all Badger LB corps going:

TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)
ILb  
Payasdaddy : 11/15/2019 12:53 pm : link
Absolutely down with signing one real solid Connelly like LB to team with him
We have many weakness. But to me that is close to the top of list
Price shouldn’t be ridiculous like and edge rusher or OT
same with bringing in a solid FS
An decent center too
Total price of those 3 probably 30 million range?
Won’t destroy cap
Draft edge, OT (or 2) and wr since it’s deep
I've had my eye on him  
Mattman : 11/15/2019 1:06 pm : link
he's a tackling machine and good in coverage. I would put him and shaq thompson in the middle if they make it to FA. I wouldn't rely on connely. Hopefully we can get chase young for the outside.
I would absolutely prioritize ILB in free agency next year.  
Klaatu : 11/15/2019 1:23 pm : link
I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.

OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
A free agent! We should wait until right before the last game  
mikeinbloomfield : 11/15/2019 1:23 pm : link
to trade a 1 this year and a 2 next year for him.
RE: I would absolutely prioritize ILB in free agency next year.  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14680334 Klaatu said:
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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.

OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.


I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).

I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).

Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.
RE: RE: I would absolutely prioritize ILB in free agency next year.  
Klaatu : 11/15/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14680344 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14680334 Klaatu said:


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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.

OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.



I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).

I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).

Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.


Simmons is my choice, too. I'm still pissed that the Giants passed on him to draft Darian Thompson (of course, I'm also still pissed that they passed on Tyler Eifert to draft Justin Pugh, but that's another story).

I'm not really crazy about signing a UFA OT this year. I liked Conklin pre-draft, but it's a bad sign that his 5th-year option wasn't picked by the Titans. Of course, he'll probably sign with another team and never miss a game for the next ten years, lol.
RE: RE: I would absolutely prioritize ILB in free agency next year.  
Mattman : 11/15/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14680344 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14680334 Klaatu said:


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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.

OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.



I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).

I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).

Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.


Yes, Simmons would be expensive but he can be the lone high safety in cover 1.

Cutting Ogletree would save 8.25 million and jenkins would save 11.25 million.

Jones got 14-15 million a year so I expect Schobert to go in the 13-14 million dollar range.

Conklin is probably around 11 a year.

BTW - I wanted Conklin in the 1st (Tunsil after he dropped and Conklin was taken) Deion Jones in the 2nd and Simmons in the 3rd for that draft.
RE: RE: RE: I would absolutely prioritize ILB in free agency next year.  
aGiantGuy : 11/15/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14680376 Mattman said:
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In comment 14680334 Klaatu said:


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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.

OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.



I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).

I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).

Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.



Yes, Simmons would be expensive but he can be the lone high safety in cover 1.

Cutting Ogletree would save 8.25 million and jenkins would save 11.25 million.

Jones got 14-15 million a year so I expect Schobert to go in the 13-14 million dollar range.

Conklin is probably around 11 a year.

BTW - I wanted Conklin in the 1st (Tunsil after he dropped and Conklin was taken) Deion Jones in the 2nd and Simmons in the 3rd for that draft.

It’s sad just how different this team would look
Ogletree is a no brainer cut (to me)  
giants#1 : 11/15/2019 2:28 pm : link
He's average on a good day and highly inconsistent with his bad days bordering on replacement level. And his cap savings will cover most, if not all of the salary for his replacement (~2/3 if it's a top ILB like Schobert and at least 100% if it's a vet like Trevathan).

I'm not so sure I'm cutting Jenkins though. His salary is actually pretty reasonable for a top CB and I'm not confident enough in the young guys (Beal, Baker, Ballentine) to want them starting. And you're not getting a top CB for $11M.

I'd try and do this:

DL: retain LW + Lawrence/Hill/Tomlinson (solid 4 man rotation)
LB: Golden (if reasonable, say $6-8M per), two FAs, Carter with Connelly backup ILB
CB: Jenkins/Beal/Baker/Ballentine
S: Simmons/Peppers with Love as the #3 S

Then hope to get a top ER in the draft.

FA  
Dragon : 11/15/2019 6:30 pm : link
Is fools gold it’s proven over and over yet most just wont let it go. The rewards can be good if your a winning team needing one or two hopefully rising players the Giants are not a winning team for the near future. Build thru the draft stay away from hopes and prayers we have proven they don’t work. I’ve said it for years now that’s this is a team with ten to twelve NFL worthy players you don’t change that in one year or believe you have a winning team with the limited talent you really have. This year the plan failed whatever it was now let’s really look at a three to four year rebuild it’s going to take time and admitting your rebuilding.
RE: FA  
Ira : 11/15/2019 6:54 pm : link
In comment 14680569 Dragon said:
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Is fools gold it’s proven over and over yet most just wont let it go. The rewards can be good if your a winning team needing one or two hopefully rising players the Giants are not a winning team for the near future. Build thru the draft stay away from hopes and prayers we have proven they don’t work. I’ve said it for years now that’s this is a team with ten to twelve NFL worthy players you don’t change that in one year or believe you have a winning team with the limited talent you really have. This year the plan failed whatever it was now let’s really look at a three to four year rebuild it’s going to take time and admitting your rebuilding.


In general, I agree. But it makes sense to get some good young free agents if they don't put us in future cap hell.
RE: Ogletree is a no brainer cut (to me)  
Jay on the Island : 11/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14680404 giants#1 said:
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He's average on a good day and highly inconsistent with his bad days bordering on replacement level. And his cap savings will cover most, if not all of the salary for his replacement (~2/3 if it's a top ILB like Schobert and at least 100% if it's a vet like Trevathan).

I'm not so sure I'm cutting Jenkins though. His salary is actually pretty reasonable for a top CB and I'm not confident enough in the young guys (Beal, Baker, Ballentine) to want them starting. And you're not getting a top CB for $11M.

I would move on from Ogletree without a doubt. As for Jenkins I would hang onto him for the time being. If they needed to create cap room I would explore trading him first. I'd carry him through the preseason and then try to trade him again. If he appears to be playing well enough I would keep him if a trade could not be worked out.

The Giants need to continue to evaluate Beal, Baker, and Ballentine the rest of the season.
Yeah I was watching Shobert last night...  
EricJ : 11/15/2019 8:23 pm : link
and was thinking damn.. would love to have him on our team
RE: FA  
Klaatu : 11/15/2019 9:06 pm : link
In comment 14680569 Dragon said:
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Is fools gold it’s proven over and over yet most just wont let it go. The rewards can be good if your a winning team needing one or two hopefully rising players the Giants are not a winning team for the near future. Build thru the draft stay away from hopes and prayers we have proven they don’t work. I’ve said it for years now that’s this is a team with ten to twelve NFL worthy players you don’t change that in one year or believe you have a winning team with the limited talent you really have. This year the plan failed whatever it was now let’s really look at a three to four year rebuild it’s going to take time and admitting your rebuilding.


Have you ever heard of Antonio Pierce, Plaxico Burress, and Kareem McKenzie? They signed with a team that had been 6-10 the previous year, 4-12 the year before that, and helped them go 11-5 and make the playoffs. Two years later they helped them win a Super Bowl.

The concept is fine, using free agents to fill holes. The results are never guaranteed, but the idea is sound, and certainly not "fool's gold."
Schobert is exactly the kind of ILB we should be pursuing  
Jimmy Googs : 11/16/2019 8:48 am : link
or drafting. He was solid as a rock at Wisconsin without being flashy...think he won award as top college MLB too.

He has played just the same for the Browns over the past couple years being above avg vs run and pass. Thursday night he looked really good but some of that is familiarity of divisional opponent and weak Steeler offense, but nonetheless he came to play.

He is an example of what to do in free agency...
It seems like there are two archetypes for ilb  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 9:59 am : link
There's the one who can crash down at the line pre snap without getting tossed aside.

And the safety skills ilb.

We probably need one of each.

Even drafting a free safety high wouldn't preclude you from drafting the truly fast safety skilled ilb.

Drafting the line attacking ilb would preclude either of those . Not enough picks to go around .
It seems like 9 on the roster r now?  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 10:07 am : link
Both inside and outside . Is that high ?

I long felt - carry more Dts.

But anyway.

Golden and Xman (outside, could sign +2 more)

Carter (outside or inside IMHO, he's quick. Weird blend of edge and money...more like a safety in some ways, a chess piece)

Connelly - on IR probably

And

Mayo

So you could easily fit in 3 more LBs, one edge, one money/s one classic ilb.

I favor drafting for D, free agents for O right now.
Typo. Would not preclude  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 10:17 am : link
Isaih Simmons, not looking but that would probably be your ilb who can function like a safety. Which give you a nice + piece on the roster .

But you still would have a great need at the true free safety.

Simmons ilb
Pepper's up S
?? Deep safety someone fast

So you start having a legit PD set up, and can switch up Simmons and Pepper's assignments play to play

RE: Lets  
Milton : 11/16/2019 10:19 am : link
In comment 14680308 Jon in NYC said:
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get an all Badger LB corps going:

TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)

Why can't he be more like Lloyd Braun? - ( New Window )
Looking forward to Sy on ilbs and safeties again this year  
idiotsavant : 11/16/2019 11:20 am : link
A do over!

Both ilb and safety are really multiple types within each position at this point.

For an additional example;

slot db / s.

RE: Lets  
Jay in Toronto : 11/16/2019 11:26 am : link
In comment 14680308 Jon in NYC said:
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get an all Badger LB corps going:

TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)


LOL Thinking the same thing. I would also consider drafting ILB Orr. I was all for drafting Van Ginkel last year!
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