This dude was literally everywhere last night. If we can pair him with a healthy Connelly next year, that's a huge improvement from our shitty LB group...
His stat line:
2 Interceptions, 10 tackles, a sack, two tackles for loss, two QB hits, and four pass breakups...imagine getting that from a LB... Haha
4 INTs (half last night)
16 PDs (25% last night)
14 TFLs (12.5% last night)
19 QBHits (~10% last night)
So what makes you think he can produce at a high level for a full season?
And I hope they enter 2020 with Connely as the 3rd ILB.
Definitely if CAR doesn't tag him.
TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)
We have many weakness. But to me that is close to the top of list
Price shouldn’t be ridiculous like and edge rusher or OT
same with bringing in a solid FS
An decent center too
Total price of those 3 probably 30 million range?
Won’t destroy cap
Draft edge, OT (or 2) and wr since it’s deep
OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).
I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).
Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.
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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.
OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).
I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).
Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.
Simmons is my choice, too. I'm still pissed that the Giants passed on him to draft Darian Thompson (of course, I'm also still pissed that they passed on Tyler Eifert to draft Justin Pugh, but that's another story).
I'm not really crazy about signing a UFA OT this year. I liked Conklin pre-draft, but it's a bad sign that his 5th-year option wasn't picked by the Titans. Of course, he'll probably sign with another team and never miss a game for the next ten years, lol.
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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.
OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).
I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).
Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.
Yes, Simmons would be expensive but he can be the lone high safety in cover 1.
Cutting Ogletree would save 8.25 million and jenkins would save 11.25 million.
Jones got 14-15 million a year so I expect Schobert to go in the 13-14 million dollar range.
Conklin is probably around 11 a year.
BTW - I wanted Conklin in the 1st (Tunsil after he dropped and Conklin was taken) Deion Jones in the 2nd and Simmons in the 3rd for that draft.
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I think Ogletree may be a goner, and I wouldn't count on Connelly being 100% until 2021, even if he's healthy enough to play next year. Without any empirical evidence to back it up, it just seems to me that it takes two years to fully recover from an ACL injury.
OLB is really dependent on whether or not the Giants re-sign Markus Golden. If they do, I don't see them spending big on another OLB. If they don't, then they're several guys under 30 whom they might try to sign.
I agree. I hope Ogletree is gone and that they go after 2 ILBs, a FS and at least one OT in free agency. Also keep in mind you can get 2 very good ILBs for the cost of a guy like Clowney (who isn't an elite ER).
I'd see if I can get 2 of these guys for $10-12M: Schobert, Blake Martinez, Cory Littleton, Patrick Onwuasor. With Danny Trevathan and some other vets as fall backs (and cheaper options).
Justin Simmons would be my primary target at S and Conklin my preference at OT.
Yes, Simmons would be expensive but he can be the lone high safety in cover 1.
Cutting Ogletree would save 8.25 million and jenkins would save 11.25 million.
Jones got 14-15 million a year so I expect Schobert to go in the 13-14 million dollar range.
Conklin is probably around 11 a year.
BTW - I wanted Conklin in the 1st (Tunsil after he dropped and Conklin was taken) Deion Jones in the 2nd and Simmons in the 3rd for that draft.
It’s sad just how different this team would look
I'm not so sure I'm cutting Jenkins though. His salary is actually pretty reasonable for a top CB and I'm not confident enough in the young guys (Beal, Baker, Ballentine) to want them starting. And you're not getting a top CB for $11M.
I'd try and do this:
DL: retain LW + Lawrence/Hill/Tomlinson (solid 4 man rotation)
LB: Golden (if reasonable, say $6-8M per), two FAs, Carter with Connelly backup ILB
CB: Jenkins/Beal/Baker/Ballentine
S: Simmons/Peppers with Love as the #3 S
Then hope to get a top ER in the draft.
In general, I agree. But it makes sense to get some good young free agents if they don't put us in future cap hell.
I'm not so sure I'm cutting Jenkins though. His salary is actually pretty reasonable for a top CB and I'm not confident enough in the young guys (Beal, Baker, Ballentine) to want them starting. And you're not getting a top CB for $11M.
I would move on from Ogletree without a doubt. As for Jenkins I would hang onto him for the time being. If they needed to create cap room I would explore trading him first. I'd carry him through the preseason and then try to trade him again. If he appears to be playing well enough I would keep him if a trade could not be worked out.
The Giants need to continue to evaluate Beal, Baker, and Ballentine the rest of the season.
Have you ever heard of Antonio Pierce, Plaxico Burress, and Kareem McKenzie? They signed with a team that had been 6-10 the previous year, 4-12 the year before that, and helped them go 11-5 and make the playoffs. Two years later they helped them win a Super Bowl.
The concept is fine, using free agents to fill holes. The results are never guaranteed, but the idea is sound, and certainly not "fool's gold."
He has played just the same for the Browns over the past couple years being above avg vs run and pass. Thursday night he looked really good but some of that is familiarity of divisional opponent and weak Steeler offense, but nonetheless he came to play.
He is an example of what to do in free agency...
And the safety skills ilb.
We probably need one of each.
Even drafting a free safety high wouldn't preclude you from drafting the truly fast safety skilled ilb.
Drafting the line attacking ilb would preclude either of those . Not enough picks to go around .
I long felt - carry more Dts.
But anyway.
Golden and Xman (outside, could sign +2 more)
Carter (outside or inside IMHO, he's quick. Weird blend of edge and money...more like a safety in some ways, a chess piece)
Connelly - on IR probably
And
Mayo
So you could easily fit in 3 more LBs, one edge, one money/s one classic ilb.
I favor drafting for D, free agents for O right now.
But you still would have a great need at the true free safety.
Simmons ilb
Pepper's up S
?? Deep safety someone fast
So you start having a legit PD set up, and can switch up Simmons and Pepper's assignments play to play
TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)
Why can't he be more like Lloyd Braun? - ( New Window )
Both ilb and safety are really multiple types within each position at this point.
For an additional example;
slot db / s.
TJ Watt-Schobert-Connelly-Zach Baun (draft)
LOL Thinking the same thing. I would also consider drafting ILB Orr. I was all for drafting Van Ginkel last year!