Additional disclipine for other players will be forthcoming through the standard acccountability process, including those players that left the bench to enter the fight area.
But its amazing that the NFL got this right after the public outrage. However, when it comes to domestic violence, they fail miserably with the suspensions they hand out.
I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
Mason Rudolph got nothing because he was the victim
Myles Garrett intentionally and blatantly roughed the passer long after the play was over and twisted him around into ground. It would have been a penalty.
Garrett a 6-4 270 lb human being them continued to remain on top of Rudolph, who was pinned to the ground.
I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
They had to get out in front of the weekend's games and the coverage that precedes it. The more discussion on it, the more out of control it was going to go.
As long as they don't knock down any of the suspensions on appeal I think it's fair. I would have given Rudolph one too simply for trying to rip the helmet off, but he got whacked in the head so I guess they're even :-)
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I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
I'm sure they were comfortable suspending Garrett indefinitely by the postgame conferences. But it makes sense to announce all the suspensions all together.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
But as time passes,that picture of Rudolph,aka Deez Nuts,may help Garrett
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Rudolph was responding to acts against Him. he was the victim of a roughing the passer and still had the guy on top of him when his hands touched his helmet,
Then Rudolph reacted to getting his helmet violently ripped off his head.
Mason Rudolph’s actions were worthy of an in game penalty like unsportsmanlike conduct. Not a suspension.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Grabbing at his helmet? Not even a penalty 1/2 the time. No way that gets an ejection or suspension as an isolated incident.
And it's wasn't. Garrett was on top of him and wouldn't get off.
Not in the same ballpark as getting hit over the head with one.
Garrett did not need to take him to the ground. He instigated the whole event. Rudolph was tackled to the ground and held down, then tried to get Garrett off of him, grabbing his helmet, then Garrett proceeds to grab Rudolph by the facemask, lifting him up by the mask, removing his helmet, then swings and hits him in the head. Seconds later, another Brown pushed the helmetless Rudolph to the ground for no reason.
Please tell me why Rudolph should be fined or suspended? Because he didn't cower or walk away? Please!
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
I don’t know if you were watching the game, but the Steelers didn’t have any timeouts left and Rudolph had no way of knowing if his RB successfully went out of bounds. So Myles Garrett standing on top of him would essentially end the game, if the Rn didn’t get out of bounds. So it would make sense that Rudolph would do whatever he could to get him off, just sayin
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the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
The Jets vs. the Bills. DE Marty Lyons hits Kelly and drives him to the ground. Kelly doesn't like it so he punches Lyons. Lyons, on top of Kelly, starts to fight back and beats on him until the cavalry arrived. Huge fight. Lyons is bloodied. Order restored after a heat of battle fight. Lyons pats Kelly on the head to say he was sorry, tempers flare. This led to the infamous Ben Drieth penalty call for 15 yards because "he's giving him the business down there". No ejections (amazingly)
This isn't the first time that a QB doesn't like the way he was hit and went back at the guy who did it. It almost always results in a penalty and everyone moves on. Kelly actually had a few of those, including a fight in Kansas City that same year. Simms did it too.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
Nothing was going to happen. What was Rudolph going to do at that point? Scratch his eyes out? It would have been a typical football pull apart. Look at the fight I linked to in 1986. In that case both guys had their helmets on. Garrett had his helmet on, and he's twice the size of a QB going after him. Garrett lost his mind in the heat of battle, lost his composure, and as a professional athlete you need to be better than that. In the history of the game, this was the first time a guy got smashed with his own helmet during the game itself. Garrett has been a dirty player all year.
Garrett should have just launched his helmet Kyle Turley style when he got it, gotten ejected and everyone laughs about it and moves on. That he tried to brain him with it makes pretty much any attempt to defend what he did, I'm sorry, there is no excuses. Period.
No shit, we all knew the "I fucked up, i'm sorry" statement was coming.
Shouldn't change anything. In any other line of work you would never be allowed back on the premises and you would face charges for assaulting someone with a weapon.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Nothing in your description is worthy of a fine, let alone a suspension under NFL rules and precedents.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Just watched the replay:
FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
Yeah I am. It's two different worlds. A terrible analogy.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
If Garrett just drops his helmet and walks away instead of swinging on Mason would Mason be suspend for what he did? Of course not, but because he was hit on his head and then knocked to the ground while helmetless he should be suspend now?
bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
see these freeze frame images of Rudolph's legs in Garrett's crotch and make it seem like he was kicking him intentionally there. Garrett was in the process of PULLING RUDOLPH UP BY HIS HELMET AND RIPPING IT OFF. Rudolph was trying to get the giant man off of him. I have no dog in this fight, but anyone who can honestly make excuses for Garrett is a legit idiot.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
Just watched the replay:
FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
Mostly agree with this. I think Rudolph had a finger or his hand caught in Garrett's helmet trying to get Garrett off of him right after the sack. So I'm not sure Rudolph was doing anything aggressive there as retaliation for the sack.
I'm hearing Rudolph may get fined - which is unbelievable to me.
He takes, arguably, a late hit on the last play of the game, can't get up, finally gets up, and has his helmet pulled off and used as a sledgehammer on his head.
If anything, Rudolph should receive a portion of Garrett's salary as a form of settlement.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
So Rudolph is suppose to lay there and do nothing after the guy Â
drills him (should have been a penalty) and then tries to rip his head/helmet off by the facemask while he's on the ground defenseless? Seriously? Garrett deserves whatever he gets. Pouncey deserves something for the kick but Rudolph shouldn't get anything. And a kick to the nuts? No way. His foot landed where it landed only because of the position he was put in.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Regardless of the nature of playing football, Â
bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
Bans for life? “Indefinite” suspensions? Please. The punishment should fit the crime. Rudolph is not dead and evidently he isn’t even going to miss a game.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
I have no idea who anyone could defend Garrett or blame Rudolph at all. It’s beyond absurd. If this guy was killed or seriously harmed, Garrett would deserve prison time. A completely wreckless and dangerous move. He seems like a real piece of shit.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Was a hollow plastic shell lined with cushioning material. It’s not like he hit the “victim” with a bowling ball.
Seriously? I mean, you've got to be kidding me, right? Talk about minimizing something really terrible.
That plastic shell swung at someone's noggin could easily severely injure or even kill that person. Now put that in the hand of a physical beast like Garrett, and I guarantee you that if you got hit with it, you would be out, potentially permanently.
often leads to concussions and potentially even worse. Remove one of the helmets from the head, and swing the other one with full force of your arm at the now exposed human skull.
You really must be a terrible attorney to make such a dumb argument.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
ITA. One can believe this to be true while at the same time recognizing that Garrett tried to assault someone with a weapon and deserved whatever suspension he got.
Was a hollow plastic shell lined with cushioning material. It’s not like he hit the “victim” with a bowling ball.
Just a reminder - the cushion is inside the helmet. Garrett tried to hit him with the outside of the helmet.
May be time for you re-acquaint yourself with the what today's helmet feels like. It's basically six pounds of hard plastic and metal. Then add in a big, fit human being doing a full wind up, reverse bolo punch move with it to inflict damage and...well, you are much closer to a bowling ball than a nerf ball.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Because decades and even years ago this would not be the huge story it is now. That said, I'm glad the NFL and its viewer's are taking these things more seriously. My point is that society today has become extremely sensitive and reactionary.
could swing a helmet at a players head, and it was totally cool. Player safety is for pussies! How sensitive we have become as a society that we get this riled up about this kind of stuff? And this CTE nonsense? What a bunch of wimps!! You’re not tough unless you’re fine with traumatic head injuries and living out your retirement years as a vegetable, the youth today are too soft!
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years before we knew what we do now about concussions and repeated head traumas. I can’t tell you how many times I was told to stop being a pussy and get back in the game after I had likely sustained a concussion during a play. I loved and still love the game of football, the toughness it takes to play, and the hitting. There’s nothing soft about advocating for player safety. I wish we had known these things back when I played. There’s nothing tough about advocating for less safety and more violence in the game, it’s just fucking stupid.
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
An old NFL Films story on either the Rams ( of the ‘60s and ‘70s) or Merlin Olson, where he was taking on the whole ‘49s team and swinging his helmet around. Anyone else remember this or what happened to Olson as a result of this). Thanks.
start arresting players when they move outside of the rules of the game . This a case. Any one on this board takes a helmet and uses it on someone else would be in jail..for assault.
Every Sunday, there are literally thousands of aggressive interactions between totally amped athletes. And every Sunday a small minority lead to skirmishes. But virtually none lead to grabbing a helmet and banging a guy's head with it.
The overwhelming majority can play a physical game, and respect the boundaries. That's what makes the game beautiful and amazing.
The ones, or really one, who cannot, don't deserve to play.
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
start arresting players when they move outside of the rules of the game . This a case. Any one on this board takes a helmet and uses it on someone else would be in jail..for assault.
From a legal standpoint, what Pouncey did was assault as well.
Although, both Pouncey's and Gerret's actions could be defended from charges, I think, on the basis that they neither man inflicted bodily harm on their intended victims.
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Pouncey got three games.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Do you want Pouncey to try and reason with a 6’4” 275 maniac swinging a weapon?
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
That's a really long way of trying to claim that you're not simply just an asshole. And it didn't work.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Perhaps you are the one whose perspective is lost?
Consider the 2nd half of your statement again...
The "then try to beat the piss out if him" part. Yeah Garret was a 265# maniac who'd completely lost all self control... And Pouncey and Villanueva are 600+# of man muscle who had already subdued Garret and held him down on the ground while Poncey continued to attack Garrett with blows all over Garret's body with punches and kicks, both!
The three game suspension says something about the NFL'S view of Pouncey's actions, and my criticism was pointed more at the poster(s) here who commented that Pouncey's actions were "rightly justified" or something along those lines.
WUT?
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Garrett is getting the focus, because Garret escalated the situation outside of the norms of the game. All of the ugliness that ensued is because of him. The focus should be on him.
Pouncey should have just sat on him to control the situation. He didn't need to beat on him and crossed the line. He should be sat down for 3 games.
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Yes “aside from the fact he swung his helmet, a “weapon”.
You can’t be serious with this right? That action isn’t anywhere close to someone punching and kicking a guy in helmet and pads.
And the “prejudicial” coverage is focused on the helmet swing because of how dangerous and outrageous an act it was. Never seen before in the NFL. I don’t you or people realize how dangerous it was. It’s remarkable Rudolph wasn’t severely injured or killed.
Pouncey Did wrong was the kick. And the kick is being overblown It was a fade way kick with no force.
The punches? He just saw an assault as Garrett hit a player in the head with a helmet. Throwing blows to get the guy down? Nothing wrong with that and it should have not factored into the suspension.
I can’t believe he got 3 games. That’s way too much after reacting to what Garrett did.
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we're all pissed Rudolph didn't get a suspension for escalating it. It was done until Rudolph ran in there with his hair on fire when two of his o lineman holding Garrett back.
Browns' Garrett, Ogunjobi & Steelers' Pouncey suspended.
He's definitely getting a hefty fine, though I think 1 game was warranted.
FIFY
Sounds like they need “an adult” in the room.
They're punishing the Steelers by not suspending Rudolph...
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
Mason Rudolph got nothing because he was the victim
Myles Garrett intentionally and blatantly roughed the passer long after the play was over and twisted him around into ground. It would have been a penalty.
Garrett a 6-4 270 lb human being them continued to remain on top of Rudolph, who was pinned to the ground.
They had to get out in front of the weekend's games and the coverage that precedes it. The more discussion on it, the more out of control it was going to go.
As long as they don't knock down any of the suspensions on appeal I think it's fair. I would have given Rudolph one too simply for trying to rip the helmet off, but he got whacked in the head so I guess they're even :-)
Well they were anointed Super Bowl champs before the season started so its not surprising
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
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I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
I'm sure they were comfortable suspending Garrett indefinitely by the postgame conferences. But it makes sense to announce all the suspensions all together.
I would never want my children rooting for a guy like that ever.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Rudolph was responding to acts against Him. he was the victim of a roughing the passer and still had the guy on top of him when his hands touched his helmet,
Then Rudolph reacted to getting his helmet violently ripped off his head.
Mason Rudolph’s actions were worthy of an in game penalty like unsportsmanlike conduct. Not a suspension.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Grabbing at his helmet? Not even a penalty 1/2 the time. No way that gets an ejection or suspension as an isolated incident.
And it's wasn't. Garrett was on top of him and wouldn't get off.
Not in the same ballpark as getting hit over the head with one.
Come on man.
And Rudolph makes it bigger? spiraling? Stop...
Garrett did not need to take him to the ground. He instigated the whole event. Rudolph was tackled to the ground and held down, then tried to get Garrett off of him, grabbing his helmet, then Garrett proceeds to grab Rudolph by the facemask, lifting him up by the mask, removing his helmet, then swings and hits him in the head. Seconds later, another Brown pushed the helmetless Rudolph to the ground for no reason.
Please tell me why Rudolph should be fined or suspended? Because he didn't cower or walk away? Please!
I would never want my children rooting for a guy like that ever.
Does it need to be as a hashtag, or is that part optional?
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
I don’t know if you were watching the game, but the Steelers didn’t have any timeouts left and Rudolph had no way of knowing if his RB successfully went out of bounds. So Myles Garrett standing on top of him would essentially end the game, if the Rn didn’t get out of bounds. So it would make sense that Rudolph would do whatever he could to get him off, just sayin
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
The Steelers are going to be seeking revenge. That is going to be a hard hitting game...minimum.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
This isn't the first time that a QB doesn't like the way he was hit and went back at the guy who did it. It almost always results in a penalty and everyone moves on. Kelly actually had a few of those, including a fight in Kansas City that same year. Simms did it too.
This was a usual heat of battle fight, until Garrett was completely in the wrong because of how over the top his final reaction was. End of story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXOuvndUVdY - ( New Window )
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the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
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That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
Nothing was going to happen. What was Rudolph going to do at that point? Scratch his eyes out? It would have been a typical football pull apart. Look at the fight I linked to in 1986. In that case both guys had their helmets on. Garrett had his helmet on, and he's twice the size of a QB going after him. Garrett lost his mind in the heat of battle, lost his composure, and as a professional athlete you need to be better than that. In the history of the game, this was the first time a guy got smashed with his own helmet during the game itself. Garrett has been a dirty player all year.
Garrett should have just launched his helmet Kyle Turley style when he got it, gotten ejected and everyone laughs about it and moves on. That he tried to brain him with it makes pretty much any attempt to defend what he did, I'm sorry, there is no excuses. Period.
No shit, we all knew the "I fucked up, i'm sorry" statement was coming.
Shouldn't change anything. In any other line of work you would never be allowed back on the premises and you would face charges for assaulting someone with a weapon.
The statement that occurs after your agent informs you that Mason Rudolph can hav you criminally charged for assault
PR firm or crisis management firm probably. My guess is the Browns probably have them on retainer.
PR firm or crisis management firm probably. My guess is the Browns probably have them on retainer.
Most certainly.
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Nothing in your description is worthy of a fine, let alone a suspension under NFL rules and precedents.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Just watched the replay:
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1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
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In comment 14680323 nyballa0891 said:
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
Yeah I am. It's two different worlds. A terrible analogy.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
If Garrett just drops his helmet and walks away instead of swinging on Mason would Mason be suspend for what he did? Of course not, but because he was hit on his head and then knocked to the ground while helmetless he should be suspend now?
It's really unfortunate for Pouncey, who was protecting his QB. DeCastro did have him pinned however and Pouncey was just going nuts.
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He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
Well anyhoo not surprising considering the two bush league coaches.
I was making fun of Kitchens, Gase and Kingsbury preseason.
I blame Eli.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
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FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
Mostly agree with this. I think Rudolph had a finger or his hand caught in Garrett's helmet trying to get Garrett off of him right after the sack. So I'm not sure Rudolph was doing anything aggressive there as retaliation for the sack.
I'm hearing Rudolph may get fined - which is unbelievable to me.
He takes, arguably, a late hit on the last play of the game, can't get up, finally gets up, and has his helmet pulled off and used as a sledgehammer on his head.
If anything, Rudolph should receive a portion of Garrett's salary as a form of settlement.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Seriously? I mean, you've got to be kidding me, right? Talk about minimizing something really terrible.
That plastic shell swung at someone's noggin could easily severely injure or even kill that person. Now put that in the hand of a physical beast like Garrett, and I guarantee you that if you got hit with it, you would be out, potentially permanently.
You really must be a terrible attorney to make such a dumb argument.
"Come on Myles. Get with the program. Every thug gotta have a fall guy."
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
ITA. One can believe this to be true while at the same time recognizing that Garrett tried to assault someone with a weapon and deserved whatever suspension he got.
Just a reminder - the cushion is inside the helmet. Garrett tried to hit him with the outside of the helmet.
May be time for you re-acquaint yourself with the what today's helmet feels like. It's basically six pounds of hard plastic and metal. Then add in a big, fit human being doing a full wind up, reverse bolo punch move with it to inflict damage and...well, you are much closer to a bowling ball than a nerf ball.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Because decades and even years ago this would not be the huge story it is now. That said, I'm glad the NFL and its viewer's are taking these things more seriously. My point is that society today has become extremely sensitive and reactionary.
Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
What a shock - HJ has the contrarian/douche take.
Your description is an embarrassing joke.
yeahhh....obviously you have never played the game on any kind of competitive level other than with your My Little Pony app....
Flat wrong
Typical homer, doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about, but it doesn't stop him from opening his face.
The overwhelming majority can play a physical game, and respect the boundaries. That's what makes the game beautiful and amazing.
The ones, or really one, who cannot, don't deserve to play.
I love the image of Greg killing someone with a sheet of newspaper, but that softie couldn’t kill a fly with a rolled up newspaper...🤣
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
From a legal standpoint, what Pouncey did was assault as well.
Although, both Pouncey's and Gerret's actions could be defended from charges, I think, on the basis that they neither man inflicted bodily harm on their intended victims.
You think the lawyers ruined sports? The police would kill kill it.
You think the lawyers ruined sports? The police would kill kill it.
Agree 100% too. Wasn't suggesting it. But I think the league might use legal guidelines to make their punishments handed down...
more impartial.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Pouncey got three games.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Do you want Pouncey to try and reason with a 6’4” 275 maniac swinging a weapon?
Get some perspective on this...
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
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Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
That's a really long way of trying to claim that you're not simply just an asshole. And it didn't work.
Garrett could have easily murdered someone on a football with his actions. Does anything else matter?
Perhaps you are the one whose perspective is lost?
Consider the 2nd half of your statement again...
The "then try to beat the piss out if him" part. Yeah Garret was a 265# maniac who'd completely lost all self control... And Pouncey and Villanueva are 600+# of man muscle who had already subdued Garret and held him down on the ground while Poncey continued to attack Garrett with blows all over Garret's body with punches and kicks, both!
The three game suspension says something about the NFL'S view of Pouncey's actions, and my criticism was pointed more at the poster(s) here who commented that Pouncey's actions were "rightly justified" or something along those lines.
WUT?
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Pouncey should have just sat on him to control the situation. He didn't need to beat on him and crossed the line. He should be sat down for 3 games.
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Yes “aside from the fact he swung his helmet, a “weapon”.
You can’t be serious with this right? That action isn’t anywhere close to someone punching and kicking a guy in helmet and pads.
And the “prejudicial” coverage is focused on the helmet swing because of how dangerous and outrageous an act it was. Never seen before in the NFL. I don’t you or people realize how dangerous it was. It’s remarkable Rudolph wasn’t severely injured or killed.
The punches? He just saw an assault as Garrett hit a player in the head with a helmet. Throwing blows to get the guy down? Nothing wrong with that and it should have not factored into the suspension.
I can’t believe he got 3 games. That’s way too much after reacting to what Garrett did.