Additional disclipine for other players will be forthcoming through the standard acccountability process, including those players that left the bench to enter the fight area.
But its amazing that the NFL got this right after the public outrage. However, when it comes to domestic violence, they fail miserably with the suspensions they hand out.
I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
Mason Rudolph got nothing because he was the victim
Myles Garrett intentionally and blatantly roughed the passer long after the play was over and twisted him around into ground. It would have been a penalty.
Garrett a 6-4 270 lb human being them continued to remain on top of Rudolph, who was pinned to the ground.
I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
They had to get out in front of the weekend's games and the coverage that precedes it. The more discussion on it, the more out of control it was going to go.
As long as they don't knock down any of the suspensions on appeal I think it's fair. I would have given Rudolph one too simply for trying to rip the helmet off, but he got whacked in the head so I guess they're even :-)
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I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
I'm sure they were comfortable suspending Garrett indefinitely by the postgame conferences. But it makes sense to announce all the suspensions all together.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
But as time passes,that picture of Rudolph,aka Deez Nuts,may help Garrett
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Rudolph was responding to acts against Him. he was the victim of a roughing the passer and still had the guy on top of him when his hands touched his helmet,
Then Rudolph reacted to getting his helmet violently ripped off his head.
Mason Rudolph’s actions were worthy of an in game penalty like unsportsmanlike conduct. Not a suspension.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Grabbing at his helmet? Not even a penalty 1/2 the time. No way that gets an ejection or suspension as an isolated incident.
And it's wasn't. Garrett was on top of him and wouldn't get off.
Not in the same ballpark as getting hit over the head with one.
Garrett did not need to take him to the ground. He instigated the whole event. Rudolph was tackled to the ground and held down, then tried to get Garrett off of him, grabbing his helmet, then Garrett proceeds to grab Rudolph by the facemask, lifting him up by the mask, removing his helmet, then swings and hits him in the head. Seconds later, another Brown pushed the helmetless Rudolph to the ground for no reason.
Please tell me why Rudolph should be fined or suspended? Because he didn't cower or walk away? Please!
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
I don’t know if you were watching the game, but the Steelers didn’t have any timeouts left and Rudolph had no way of knowing if his RB successfully went out of bounds. So Myles Garrett standing on top of him would essentially end the game, if the Rn didn’t get out of bounds. So it would make sense that Rudolph would do whatever he could to get him off, just sayin
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the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
The Jets vs. the Bills. DE Marty Lyons hits Kelly and drives him to the ground. Kelly doesn't like it so he punches Lyons. Lyons, on top of Kelly, starts to fight back and beats on him until the cavalry arrived. Huge fight. Lyons is bloodied. Order restored after a heat of battle fight. Lyons pats Kelly on the head to say he was sorry, tempers flare. This led to the infamous Ben Drieth penalty call for 15 yards because "he's giving him the business down there". No ejections (amazingly)
This isn't the first time that a QB doesn't like the way he was hit and went back at the guy who did it. It almost always results in a penalty and everyone moves on. Kelly actually had a few of those, including a fight in Kansas City that same year. Simms did it too.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
Nothing was going to happen. What was Rudolph going to do at that point? Scratch his eyes out? It would have been a typical football pull apart. Look at the fight I linked to in 1986. In that case both guys had their helmets on. Garrett had his helmet on, and he's twice the size of a QB going after him. Garrett lost his mind in the heat of battle, lost his composure, and as a professional athlete you need to be better than that. In the history of the game, this was the first time a guy got smashed with his own helmet during the game itself. Garrett has been a dirty player all year.
Garrett should have just launched his helmet Kyle Turley style when he got it, gotten ejected and everyone laughs about it and moves on. That he tried to brain him with it makes pretty much any attempt to defend what he did, I'm sorry, there is no excuses. Period.
No shit, we all knew the "I fucked up, i'm sorry" statement was coming.
Shouldn't change anything. In any other line of work you would never be allowed back on the premises and you would face charges for assaulting someone with a weapon.
the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Nothing in your description is worthy of a fine, let alone a suspension under NFL rules and precedents.
Browns' Garrett, Ogunjobi & Steelers' Pouncey suspended.
He's definitely getting a hefty fine, though I think 1 game was warranted.
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Sounds like they need “an adult” in the room.
They're punishing the Steelers by not suspending Rudolph...
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
Mason Rudolph got nothing because he was the victim
Myles Garrett intentionally and blatantly roughed the passer long after the play was over and twisted him around into ground. It would have been a penalty.
Garrett a 6-4 270 lb human being them continued to remain on top of Rudolph, who was pinned to the ground.
They had to get out in front of the weekend's games and the coverage that precedes it. The more discussion on it, the more out of control it was going to go.
As long as they don't knock down any of the suspensions on appeal I think it's fair. I would have given Rudolph one too simply for trying to rip the helmet off, but he got whacked in the head so I guess they're even :-)
Well they were anointed Super Bowl champs before the season started so its not surprising
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
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I guess it was on National TV and was being talked about everywhere. So they realized there was urgency there.
I'm almost surprised it wasn't quicker. At least with Garrett I almost expected to see an indefinite suspension announced when I woke up, that was just a slam dunk. The other guys, where they had to be more specific, yeah, that could've taken longer. But Garrett's actions were so extreme, they knew they really had to act super fast.
I'm sure they were comfortable suspending Garrett indefinitely by the postgame conferences. But it makes sense to announce all the suspensions all together.
I would never want my children rooting for a guy like that ever.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Rudolph was responding to acts against Him. he was the victim of a roughing the passer and still had the guy on top of him when his hands touched his helmet,
Then Rudolph reacted to getting his helmet violently ripped off his head.
Mason Rudolph’s actions were worthy of an in game penalty like unsportsmanlike conduct. Not a suspension.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Grabbing at his helmet? Not even a penalty 1/2 the time. No way that gets an ejection or suspension as an isolated incident.
And it's wasn't. Garrett was on top of him and wouldn't get off.
Not in the same ballpark as getting hit over the head with one.
Come on man.
And Rudolph makes it bigger? spiraling? Stop...
Garrett did not need to take him to the ground. He instigated the whole event. Rudolph was tackled to the ground and held down, then tried to get Garrett off of him, grabbing his helmet, then Garrett proceeds to grab Rudolph by the facemask, lifting him up by the mask, removing his helmet, then swings and hits him in the head. Seconds later, another Brown pushed the helmetless Rudolph to the ground for no reason.
Please tell me why Rudolph should be fined or suspended? Because he didn't cower or walk away? Please!
I would never want my children rooting for a guy like that ever.
Does it need to be as a hashtag, or is that part optional?
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
I don’t know if you were watching the game, but the Steelers didn’t have any timeouts left and Rudolph had no way of knowing if his RB successfully went out of bounds. So Myles Garrett standing on top of him would essentially end the game, if the Rn didn’t get out of bounds. So it would make sense that Rudolph would do whatever he could to get him off, just sayin
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
The Steelers are going to be seeking revenge. That is going to be a hard hitting game...minimum.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
This isn't the first time that a QB doesn't like the way he was hit and went back at the guy who did it. It almost always results in a penalty and everyone moves on. Kelly actually had a few of those, including a fight in Kansas City that same year. Simms did it too.
This was a usual heat of battle fight, until Garrett was completely in the wrong because of how over the top his final reaction was. End of story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXOuvndUVdY - ( New Window )
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the QB got hit just as he threw it... taken to the ground a touch harder, which would get a penalty... the QB throws a fit while on the ground... the defender is also being an asshole lying on him.... but the QB also is grabbing at the face mask and kicking at him and hits him in the junk. at that point the idiot defender takes it to an absurd level and does the deed that ends his 2019 and beyond (as it should end it).
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
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That's a still photo that looks like he's punching his nuts, but if you watched the video he wasn't doing that. Bottom line here, if Garrett doesn't clock Rudolph with the helmet, and it's your usual NFL scrum, do you think anyone gets suspended? No, they'd all get fined. I'm sure that Rudolph will get fined for his part in this as well. Garrett deserves his suspension and it was really the only move that the NFL could make.
Tough to say what he's reaching for.There's a moment in the view from the end zone,when he starts going after Garrett,in which you can't see his hands at all.He's being shielded by DeCastro.
But when I see a guy take swing with a helmet,he had to think something was gonna happen.
Nothing was going to happen. What was Rudolph going to do at that point? Scratch his eyes out? It would have been a typical football pull apart. Look at the fight I linked to in 1986. In that case both guys had their helmets on. Garrett had his helmet on, and he's twice the size of a QB going after him. Garrett lost his mind in the heat of battle, lost his composure, and as a professional athlete you need to be better than that. In the history of the game, this was the first time a guy got smashed with his own helmet during the game itself. Garrett has been a dirty player all year.
Garrett should have just launched his helmet Kyle Turley style when he got it, gotten ejected and everyone laughs about it and moves on. That he tried to brain him with it makes pretty much any attempt to defend what he did, I'm sorry, there is no excuses. Period.
No shit, we all knew the "I fucked up, i'm sorry" statement was coming.
Shouldn't change anything. In any other line of work you would never be allowed back on the premises and you would face charges for assaulting someone with a weapon.
The statement that occurs after your agent informs you that Mason Rudolph can hav you criminally charged for assault
PR firm or crisis management firm probably. My guess is the Browns probably have them on retainer.
PR firm or crisis management firm probably. My guess is the Browns probably have them on retainer.
Most certainly.
but anyways... i dont care to argue about it, i just find it very NFL to act like the QB didnt partake in the escalation.
Nothing in your description is worthy of a fine, let alone a suspension under NFL rules and precedents.