He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Just watched the replay:
FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
People trying to fault Rudolph for this are fucking clowns Â
Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
Yeah I am. It's two different worlds. A terrible analogy.
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
If Garrett just drops his helmet and walks away instead of swinging on Mason would Mason be suspend for what he did? Of course not, but because he was hit on his head and then knocked to the ground while helmetless he should be suspend now?
bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
see these freeze frame images of Rudolph's legs in Garrett's crotch and make it seem like he was kicking him intentionally there. Garrett was in the process of PULLING RUDOLPH UP BY HIS HELMET AND RIPPING IT OFF. Rudolph was trying to get the giant man off of him. I have no dog in this fight, but anyone who can honestly make excuses for Garrett is a legit idiot.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
Just watched the replay:
FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
Mostly agree with this. I think Rudolph had a finger or his hand caught in Garrett's helmet trying to get Garrett off of him right after the sack. So I'm not sure Rudolph was doing anything aggressive there as retaliation for the sack.
I'm hearing Rudolph may get fined - which is unbelievable to me.
He takes, arguably, a late hit on the last play of the game, can't get up, finally gets up, and has his helmet pulled off and used as a sledgehammer on his head.
If anything, Rudolph should receive a portion of Garrett's salary as a form of settlement.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
So Rudolph is suppose to lay there and do nothing after the guy Â
drills him (should have been a penalty) and then tries to rip his head/helmet off by the facemask while he's on the ground defenseless? Seriously? Garrett deserves whatever he gets. Pouncey deserves something for the kick but Rudolph shouldn't get anything. And a kick to the nuts? No way. His foot landed where it landed only because of the position he was put in.
RE: RE: RE: Regardless of the nature of playing football, Â
bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Regardless of the nature of playing football, Â
bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
Bans for life? “Indefinite” suspensions? Please. The punishment should fit the crime. Rudolph is not dead and evidently he isn’t even going to miss a game.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
I have no idea who anyone could defend Garrett or blame Rudolph at all. It’s beyond absurd. If this guy was killed or seriously harmed, Garrett would deserve prison time. A completely wreckless and dangerous move. He seems like a real piece of shit.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Was a hollow plastic shell lined with cushioning material. It’s not like he hit the “victim” with a bowling ball.
Seriously? I mean, you've got to be kidding me, right? Talk about minimizing something really terrible.
That plastic shell swung at someone's noggin could easily severely injure or even kill that person. Now put that in the hand of a physical beast like Garrett, and I guarantee you that if you got hit with it, you would be out, potentially permanently.
often leads to concussions and potentially even worse. Remove one of the helmets from the head, and swing the other one with full force of your arm at the now exposed human skull.
You really must be a terrible attorney to make such a dumb argument.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
ITA. One can believe this to be true while at the same time recognizing that Garrett tried to assault someone with a weapon and deserved whatever suspension he got.
Was a hollow plastic shell lined with cushioning material. It’s not like he hit the “victim” with a bowling ball.
Just a reminder - the cushion is inside the helmet. Garrett tried to hit him with the outside of the helmet.
May be time for you re-acquaint yourself with the what today's helmet feels like. It's basically six pounds of hard plastic and metal. Then add in a big, fit human being doing a full wind up, reverse bolo punch move with it to inflict damage and...well, you are much closer to a bowling ball than a nerf ball.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Because decades and even years ago this would not be the huge story it is now. That said, I'm glad the NFL and its viewer's are taking these things more seriously. My point is that society today has become extremely sensitive and reactionary.
could swing a helmet at a players head, and it was totally cool. Player safety is for pussies! How sensitive we have become as a society that we get this riled up about this kind of stuff? And this CTE nonsense? What a bunch of wimps!! You’re not tough unless you’re fine with traumatic head injuries and living out your retirement years as a vegetable, the youth today are too soft!
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years before we knew what we do now about concussions and repeated head traumas. I can’t tell you how many times I was told to stop being a pussy and get back in the game after I had likely sustained a concussion during a play. I loved and still love the game of football, the toughness it takes to play, and the hitting. There’s nothing soft about advocating for player safety. I wish we had known these things back when I played. There’s nothing tough about advocating for less safety and more violence in the game, it’s just fucking stupid.
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
An old NFL Films story on either the Rams ( of the ‘60s and ‘70s) or Merlin Olson, where he was taking on the whole ‘49s team and swinging his helmet around. Anyone else remember this or what happened to Olson as a result of this). Thanks.
start arresting players when they move outside of the rules of the game . This a case. Any one on this board takes a helmet and uses it on someone else would be in jail..for assault.
Every Sunday, there are literally thousands of aggressive interactions between totally amped athletes. And every Sunday a small minority lead to skirmishes. But virtually none lead to grabbing a helmet and banging a guy's head with it.
The overwhelming majority can play a physical game, and respect the boundaries. That's what makes the game beautiful and amazing.
The ones, or really one, who cannot, don't deserve to play.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
Just watched the replay:
FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
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Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days.
I'm going to go hit my coworker in the head with computer tower. Pretty sure my company would give me a lifetime ban and I would get arrested. At least I'd be able to call them all wimps though, so that's a plus.
Such an ignorant comment. Does your job consist of competing against other grown men in a physical arena? Testosterone flowing, pushing and fighting every play, getting cheapshotted every now and then? I'm not condoning Garret's actions but that's seriously a terrible analogy.
He tried to bash a mans skull in with his own helmet, and you’re going to call someone else’s comment ignorant. Wow.
Yeah I am. It's two different worlds. A terrible analogy.
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because he is a qb
and what would he get suspended for exactly?
ummm, maybe grabbing at the facemask and helmet of garrett and then kicking him in the junk. basically being part of escalating what was a normal hit that is only roughling in post 2010 NFL.
Listen Garrett deserves every bit and more of what he gets suspension wise. But rudolph before getting the helmet swung at him is as much the reason for it become a bigger thing and spiraling.
+1 Garrett deserves every thing that’s coming to him. But Rudolph conducted himself very poorly, plus didn’t take any responsibility in his press conference. His actions remind me of some memes. But yeah after his lineman push Garrett away, he comes in acting like wanted the smoke and well Garrett took it above and beyond
If Garrett just drops his helmet and walks away instead of swinging on Mason would Mason be suspend for what he did? Of course not, but because he was hit on his head and then knocked to the ground while helmetless he should be suspend now?
It's really unfortunate for Pouncey, who was protecting his QB. DeCastro did have him pinned however and Pouncey was just going nuts.
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He's now working towards getting reinstated for next season which means trying to show as much remorse as possible.
I'm sure his agent's already looking into some "coaches" to prepare him for the offseason meeting(s) he'll have with the NFL's discipline committee and/or Goodell. Likely brainstorming charities he can start working with too.
He already does work with charities. Off the field he seems to be a good guy already. What he did though will destroy his reputation and rightfully so.
As for why didn't Mason get suspended? For what? Trying to rip his helmet off? Kicking him off him and hitting him in the nuts as he laid on him? Some alleged punch to the nuts? If Garrett doesn't swing the helmet at Mason would you expect Mason to be suspended? I wouldn't, so why would he be suspend because he got hit and then without helmet standing there with his arms raised in protest gets knocked hard to the ground. That is the one that surprises me. Only a 1 game suspension for that? His response people were on my guy so I was protecting him. How by attacking a helmetless, defenseless QB, much smaller QB who wasn't even in the pile your player was in. If that were true you should have went after Pouncey, but I guess he was to big.
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
Well anyhoo not surprising considering the two bush league coaches.
I was making fun of Kitchens, Gase and Kingsbury preseason.
I blame Eli.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
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FWIW,
1.) That was not roughing the passer. The ball was barely out of his hand and Garrett actual put him gently on the ground and avoided his full weight ..... but
2.) Garrett did roll him around on the ground and Rudolph did sort of grabbed at the back of Garrett's head/helmet and pawed at the facemask. As Hochuli said years ago, thou Garrett was giving him the business down there.
3.) Garrett does attempt to pick him up by the facemask and Rudolph us unable to get up. He did push kick at Garrett and you would have too if some idiot attempted to pick you up off the ground by the facemask. I do think with his right leg/foot Rudolph try to tie up Garrett to prevent being picked up or get a purchase to relieve the pressure on his neck.
4.) Garrett swung and hit Rudolph on the top of the head, fortunately with the bottom of the helmet and not the crown or that would have caved his head in.
Sorry hitdog42, I disagree with you, nothing Rudolph did caused Garrett to go after him by grabbing the facemask and ripping the helmet off and then hitting Rudolph with the helmet.
Mostly agree with this. I think Rudolph had a finger or his hand caught in Garrett's helmet trying to get Garrett off of him right after the sack. So I'm not sure Rudolph was doing anything aggressive there as retaliation for the sack.
I'm hearing Rudolph may get fined - which is unbelievable to me.
He takes, arguably, a late hit on the last play of the game, can't get up, finally gets up, and has his helmet pulled off and used as a sledgehammer on his head.
If anything, Rudolph should receive a portion of Garrett's salary as a form of settlement.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Seriously? I mean, you've got to be kidding me, right? Talk about minimizing something really terrible.
That plastic shell swung at someone's noggin could easily severely injure or even kill that person. Now put that in the hand of a physical beast like Garrett, and I guarantee you that if you got hit with it, you would be out, potentially permanently.
You really must be a terrible attorney to make such a dumb argument.
"Come on Myles. Get with the program. Every thug gotta have a fall guy."
Rudolph's actions instigated and escalated the situation, but I don't think a suspension was warranted. A fine, yes. He did try to rip off Garrett's helmet first and escalated the conflict further.
ITA. One can believe this to be true while at the same time recognizing that Garrett tried to assault someone with a weapon and deserved whatever suspension he got.
Just a reminder - the cushion is inside the helmet. Garrett tried to hit him with the outside of the helmet.
May be time for you re-acquaint yourself with the what today's helmet feels like. It's basically six pounds of hard plastic and metal. Then add in a big, fit human being doing a full wind up, reverse bolo punch move with it to inflict damage and...well, you are much closer to a bowling ball than a nerf ball.
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bashing someone’s skull in with a weapon falls outside the confines of playing football, so no, it doesn’t really matter if we’re talking about professional sports, a desk job, or any other profession, testosterone flowing or not or whatever the fuck difference that makes, you can’t do that shit. Ignorant ass clown.
I clearly said I do not condone it. And he should be suspended for the whole season.. but to say it does not make a difference whether it happened on a foobtall field or at a desk job? Its not a desk job, these players assault one another on basically every play. Implying its the same and that no mitigating factors should be taken into account is an ignorant stance on this issue.
They play a game, they don’t assault each other every play. That’s why we have referees who throw flags when players actions fall outside the confines of what is legal in regards to the game. You can’t hold, you can’t block in the back, you can’t grab someone by the face mask, and you sure as fuck can’t use a helmet as a weapon to attempt to bash someone’s head in. You can’t do that.
Yeah I don't think anyone is saying that it's okay. Pushing, punching, tackling etc that would all be assault at your normal desk job... but like you said its a game ..a game that involves physical violence and where we make it okay. Again, Myles should receive punishment, but how can you tell me that the ramifications for Garret's act should be the same as if he worked your normal office job?
He still operates within the confines and the laws of the United States of America. Yes, a certain level of liberty is given to sports that isn't given to the general public. The analogy was given due to the fact that Garrett went outside of the imaginary boundaries of acceptable behavior and used a weapon to try and cause blunt trauma to another player. The analogy was given since you chalked it up to football players been football players and that anyone who thinks he should be suspended is a wimp (ie: "there are so many wimps these days"); which sort of implies you think its acceptable behavior in everyday society also.
No that's not what I said, I agree with the suspension. I was talking about those who wanted a lifetime ban. Like I said previously, there are mitigating factors that should be taken into account just as we do in the legal system- where state of mind plays a pivotal role in punishment.
A football player who is having his helmet yanked on and being confronted by three members of the other team has a different state of mind than some wacko at your office job who decides to hit his coworker with a computer. IM NOT SAYING ITS OKAY OR HE SHOULD NOT BE OUT FOR THE YEAR...im saying its two different worlds.
let's try this a different way: Can you clarify your statement of the below?
"Exactly...and something similar happened between two olinemen back in 2013-and only a 4 game suspension came out of that. Some people are actually calling for Garrett to get banned for life. So many wimps these days."
I'm not understanding why people that think he should be banned from the NFL are wimps? What is wimpy about thinking a player using a 6 lb object as a blunt weapon doesn't belong in the NFL have to do with being a wimp? What if he had connected and killed Rudolph -- would a simple suspension be OK with you?
Because decades and even years ago this would not be the huge story it is now. That said, I'm glad the NFL and its viewer's are taking these things more seriously. My point is that society today has become extremely sensitive and reactionary.
Obtuse. Is it deliberate?
What a shock - HJ has the contrarian/douche take.
Your description is an embarrassing joke.
yeahhh....obviously you have never played the game on any kind of competitive level other than with your My Little Pony app....
Flat wrong
Typical homer, doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about, but it doesn't stop him from opening his face.
The overwhelming majority can play a physical game, and respect the boundaries. That's what makes the game beautiful and amazing.
The ones, or really one, who cannot, don't deserve to play.