I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
start arresting players when they move outside of the rules of the game . This a case. Any one on this board takes a helmet and uses it on someone else would be in jail..for assault.
From a legal standpoint, what Pouncey did was assault as well.
Although, both Pouncey's and Gerret's actions could be defended from charges, I think, on the basis that they neither man inflicted bodily harm on their intended victims.
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
RE: How exactly are Pouncey's actions any less offensive than Gerret's? Â
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE. Especially the repeated kicks, it's multiple attacks, vs a single helmet swing.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Pouncey got three games.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Do you want Pouncey to try and reason with a 6’4” 275 maniac swinging a weapon?
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
That's a really long way of trying to claim that you're not simply just an asshole. And it didn't work.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Perhaps you are the one whose perspective is lost?
Consider the 2nd half of your statement again...
The "then try to beat the piss out if him" part. Yeah Garret was a 265# maniac who'd completely lost all self control... And Pouncey and Villanueva are 600+# of man muscle who had already subdued Garret and held him down on the ground while Poncey continued to attack Garrett with blows all over Garret's body with punches and kicks, both!
The three game suspension says something about the NFL'S view of Pouncey's actions, and my criticism was pointed more at the poster(s) here who commented that Pouncey's actions were "rightly justified" or something along those lines.
WUT?
RE: RE: How exactly are Pouncey's actions any less offensive than Gerret's? Â
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Garrett is getting the focus, because Garret escalated the situation outside of the norms of the game. All of the ugliness that ensued is because of him. The focus should be on him.
Pouncey should have just sat on him to control the situation. He didn't need to beat on him and crossed the line. He should be sat down for 3 games.
RE: RE: RE: How exactly are Pouncey's actions any less offensive than Gerret's? Â
I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Yes “aside from the fact he swung his helmet, a “weapon”.
You can’t be serious with this right? That action isn’t anywhere close to someone punching and kicking a guy in helmet and pads.
And the “prejudicial” coverage is focused on the helmet swing because of how dangerous and outrageous an act it was. Never seen before in the NFL. I don’t you or people realize how dangerous it was. It’s remarkable Rudolph wasn’t severely injured or killed.
Pouncey Did wrong was the kick. And the kick is being overblown It was a fade way kick with no force.
The punches? He just saw an assault as Garrett hit a player in the head with a helmet. Throwing blows to get the guy down? Nothing wrong with that and it should have not factored into the suspension.
I can’t believe he got 3 games. That’s way too much after reacting to what Garrett did.
It was interesting to watch Fox pregame today and they Â
we're all pissed Rudolph didn't get a suspension for escalating it. It was done until Rudolph ran in there with his hair on fire when two of his o lineman holding Garrett back.
I love the image of Greg killing someone with a sheet of newspaper, but that softie couldn’t kill a fly with a rolled up newspaper...🤣
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
From a legal standpoint, what Pouncey did was assault as well.
Although, both Pouncey's and Gerret's actions could be defended from charges, I think, on the basis that they neither man inflicted bodily harm on their intended victims.
You think the lawyers ruined sports? The police would kill kill it.
You think the lawyers ruined sports? The police would kill kill it.
Agree 100% too. Wasn't suggesting it. But I think the league might use legal guidelines to make their punishments handed down...
more impartial.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
I get the NFL going after Gerret, but IMO they're letting Pouncey off the hook way too easily.
Folks saying it's OK because he's defending his QB are totally wrong. It's vigilantism, and every bit as much an out if control, over the top overreaction just as the helmet swing was...
But Pouncey is a Steeler, beloved like the Packers are by NFL officials.
Pouncey got three games.
Who is to say Garrett wasn’t going to swing the helmet again if Pouncey and Villanueva don’t take down the goon and then try to beat the piss out of him?
Do you want Pouncey to try and reason with a 6’4” 275 maniac swinging a weapon?
Get some perspective on this...
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
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Those helmets are heavy and as hard as a bowling ball. If he had hit him cleanly with the crown of the swung helmet he could definitely have broken his skull.
Would coulda shoulda. He didn't. Rudolph's not dead, not even injured and won't miss a game. What do you want to do with the guy who hit the receiver so hard, the receiver's ear was bleeding? Shot at sunrise?
I know there are individuals here (for example LakeGeorge) who have a difficult time with the concepts of proportionality of punishment, intent, and contributory acts which require thought and judgment, but that does not mean those concepts don't exist and should not be considered.
That's a really long way of trying to claim that you're not simply just an asshole. And it didn't work.
Garrett could have easily murdered someone on a football with his actions. Does anything else matter?
Perhaps you are the one whose perspective is lost?
Consider the 2nd half of your statement again...
The "then try to beat the piss out if him" part. Yeah Garret was a 265# maniac who'd completely lost all self control... And Pouncey and Villanueva are 600+# of man muscle who had already subdued Garret and held him down on the ground while Poncey continued to attack Garrett with blows all over Garret's body with punches and kicks, both!
The three game suspension says something about the NFL'S view of Pouncey's actions, and my criticism was pointed more at the poster(s) here who commented that Pouncey's actions were "rightly justified" or something along those lines.
WUT?
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Pouncey should have just sat on him to control the situation. He didn't need to beat on him and crossed the line. He should be sat down for 3 games.
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I must've watched the clip 20 times, and IMO, aside from the fact that Gerret swung the helmet, a "weapon", what Pouncey did, "vigilante justice" against a guy already on the ground and restrained by others, is WORSE...
Because the NFL doesn't care about that, they only care about the optics.
Zeke I agree, it's the "optics" NFL officials care about, about "the optics" are partially or even largely determined by the media. I found it interesting and highly prejudicial that the video clips replayed literally hundreds of times focused on Garret's swing of the helmet. Both Rudolph's instigating acts and Pouncey's retributional slug and kick fest - his literally mugging of the prone Garret - were edited out of most of the replays I saw broadcast and rebroadcast showing the incident. For the purpose of creating a timely video-byte of history, Garret got relatively screwed by the media.
That's not EXCUSING Garret in any way, shape or form. It's pointing out that justice wasn't doled out in equal rations.
Yes “aside from the fact he swung his helmet, a “weapon”.
You can’t be serious with this right? That action isn’t anywhere close to someone punching and kicking a guy in helmet and pads.
And the “prejudicial” coverage is focused on the helmet swing because of how dangerous and outrageous an act it was. Never seen before in the NFL. I don’t you or people realize how dangerous it was. It’s remarkable Rudolph wasn’t severely injured or killed.
The punches? He just saw an assault as Garrett hit a player in the head with a helmet. Throwing blows to get the guy down? Nothing wrong with that and it should have not factored into the suspension.
I can’t believe he got 3 games. That’s way too much after reacting to what Garrett did.