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Should teams lose draft picks or cap space for suspensions?

Milton : 11/16/2019 4:14 am
The Garrett situation got me thinking. The Browns are hurt by the loss of one of their top players, but the silver lining is that they save cap space because of it. My question is: should they?

Maybe it should be that Garrett's salary is re-directed elsewhere (pension fund, disability payments, etc) rather than erased from Cleveland's payroll. And I think losing a draft pick is also warranted. It sends a message that teams should emphasize character and teach character or risk paying a hefty price for it (rather than getting cap relief!).

How slippery of a slope would this create? I would think it should certainly include domestic violence and sexual assault, but should teams lose draft picks over a steroids suspension? Marijuana suspension?
I could get behind not giving teams cap relief  
ron mexico : 11/16/2019 5:30 am : link
For suspended players.

I don’t think this situation calls for  
ron mexico : 11/16/2019 5:31 am : link
Loss of draft picks though. Reserve that for more organizational level offenses.
I would not support this  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/16/2019 5:34 am : link
.
I think  
Jolly Blue Giant : 11/16/2019 8:23 am : link
that you are essentially rewarding the players by doing this....how do you replace a problem player with a respectable one without having the draft picks and cap space? its not good for the league.
I would agree with having the salary  
Mike from Ohio : 11/16/2019 8:48 am : link
Still count against the cap. I am actually surprised it wouldn’t.

The draft pick punishment absolutely not. That is a punishment for an organizational wrong, not a player losing his temper. The team is already hurt by losing the platyer to suspension. That seems like a gross overrreaction.
Not for suspensions  
superspynyg : 11/16/2019 8:51 am : link
But I like the no cap relief.

Teams need to pick their players wisely especially repeat offenders.
I don't think loss of draft pick should be automatic...  
Milton : 11/16/2019 9:16 am : link
But it can be an option for egregious behavior that follows a pattern of abuse that has gone unchecked at an organizational level. And that's kind of what we have Myles Garrett and Burfict as well. The potential loss of draft picks will incentivize teams to emphasize sportsmanship and composure.

I'm not talking about the occasional late hit or punches being thrown. I'm talking about a team's responsibility when they allow a player to build a reputation for unnecessary roughness.
I think teams should lose roster spots for suspensions  
JohnB : 11/16/2019 9:41 am : link
and that includes PED suspensions.

If a team loses a player due to suspensions, they have one less player on their roster and can dress one less person on game day.

If the suspension is a PS player, that team has one less PS player.
Offending Player's Salary Should Count Against the Cap  
Jim in Tampa : 11/16/2019 10:03 am : link
But the team shouldn't be forced to spend that money by giving it to some NFL sharity or cause.

And a TEAM should not lose draft picks based on a bad decision by one of their players. The only reason a team should lose draft choices based on one or more of their players' bad behavior is if that behavior was directed by or encouraged by coaches, management or owners.

When the Saints had their Bounty Scandal some years ago HC Payton and DC Williams were suspended without pay for one year. The team was also fined $500K and they had to forfeit two second round draft picks.

You can't hold a team accountable for an individual player's in-game actions, unless the team specifically directs the player to take the offensive action.
RE: Not for suspensions  
Beer Man : 11/16/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14680754 superspynyg said:
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But I like the no cap relief.

Teams need to pick their players wisely especially repeat offenders.
Agree. They should only lose draft picks if the team is caught cheating in some way; not due to bad behavior by a player.
RE: I think teams should lose roster spots for suspensions  
robbieballs2003 : 11/16/2019 10:33 am : link
In comment 14680795 JohnB said:
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and that includes PED suspensions.

If a team loses a player due to suspensions, they have one less player on their roster and can dress one less person on game day.

If the suspension is a PS player, that team has one less PS player.


No offense but this is ridiculous. The league is all about player safety now. You think going into a game undermanned is something that should be done? No way.
RE: Offending Player's Salary Should Count Against the Cap  
Milton : 11/16/2019 10:48 am : link
In comment 14680808 Jim in Tampa said:
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You can't hold a team accountable for an individual player's in-game actions, unless the team specifically directs the player to take the offensive action.
They can do whatever they want. If they want to hold a team accountable for a player's pattern of bad behavior that has gone on unchecked by management, there is nothing stopping them. It's a sin of omission.
No  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/16/2019 10:50 am : link
because as we've seen, suspensions are far too arbitrary. Look at the joke suspensions the NFL has dolled out for player assaults on women.
adendum...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/16/2019 10:51 am : link
and if you play for certain teams or have certain star power, it appears you are treated differently.
I think not allowing cap relief  
Section331 : 11/16/2019 10:56 am : link
is a good idea, but losing draft picks isn’t definitely not. The team didn’t tell him to rip a guy’s helmet off and use it as a battering ram.
Should teams lose draft picks or cap space for suspensions?  
Torrag : 11/16/2019 11:01 am : link
No.
Of course it's gonna be subjective  
Milton : 11/16/2019 11:19 am : link
That's unavoidable, but shouldn't be used as an excuse to throw up your hands and say nothing more can be done. I'm not saying there should be automatic loss of a draft pick for every late hit or punch thrown, but if teams know that the league has that option, it will incentivize them to spend more time teaching the importance of self-control and a little more reluctant to put repeat offenders on the field.
From PFT...
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Patriots coach Bill Belichick doesn’t tolerate fights and doesn’t like undisciplined play, and when he sees it from other teams, he makes an example of it with his own team.

That’s the word from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, who said on Friday that incidents like the Thursday fracas between the Browns and Steelers turn into topics of discussion in Patriots team meetings, where Belichick tells the players what he expects.

“Coach Belichick tries to use it as teaching moments. Talks about not throwing punches, not touching referees and staying on the sidelines,” Brady said.

That’s not to say the Patriots are perfect on that score — Rob Gronkowski was suspended for a cheap shot in 2017, and a fight marred the end of the Patriots’ Super Bowl win over the Seahawks — but good coaches understand that their players need to be disciplined. Browns coach Freddie Kitchens took umbrage with reporters when he was asked after Thursday’s game whether he condones fighting, but it’s hard not to look at Kitchens’ team and think the coach needs to do a better job of finding teaching moments.
RE: RE: Offending Player's Salary Should Count Against the Cap  
Jim in Tampa : 11/16/2019 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14680838 Milton said:
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In comment 14680808 Jim in Tampa said:


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You can't hold a team accountable for an individual player's in-game actions, unless the team specifically directs the player to take the offensive action.

They can do whatever they want. If they want to hold a team accountable for a player's pattern of bad behavior that has gone on unchecked by management, there is nothing stopping them. It's a sin of omission.

OK. Change the word "can't" to "shouldn't".

Better?
Maybe for repeat offenders  
Jesse B : 11/16/2019 3:51 pm : link
At least then it would put some risk on a team signing a vintage burfict, pacman Jones situation.

Maybe only way to send message that repeat offenders aren't welcome
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