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| Serious question. It's a different sport, so there are obvious differences, but look at what has happened to the Knicks. They have been awful (barring maybe one or two seasons where they were a pretender) for the better part of two decades straight. Not mediocre- awful. As a result, their brand is close to destroyed. Nobody wants to play for them. The media and fans thought Durant was coming, and he later revealed it was never a consideration and that it's "no longer cool" to play there. Same thing with Lebron several years earlier. Everyone thought he was coming and he passed. Both times we ended up with second rate free agents. Now, football is different... it's not about attracting max free agents so much. It's about drafting, player development, coaching, cap management, etc. Still though, you need a lot of competent people in an organization to consistently put a winning product on the field. It's not just about picking players. It's not just about the head coach. It's about the whole coaching staff. It's about developing players, and it's about attracting and retaining top talent (both coaches and players) who have multiple options but want to be part of the organization. Look at this last go-around. Shurmur was not our first or second choice. He was just a guy who was there and that we settled for. To all the people who want to fire coaches all the time, who do you want to hire in their place, and if that individual is good, why will he opt to take this project on? Would you, if you had multiple other options and you were looking out for your career? I am not saying the team cannot recover and be great again. I certainly don't think that. Far from it. But I do worry that every year that slips by where we are non-competitive like this, it does a little bit of long term damage to the brand, and that damage will make it harder to recover. I hope I'm wrong about all this, but I do worry about it. Curious to hear any thoughts on this. |
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Haha same here
It’s different now. The Giants have something that’s very attractive to good coaching talent. A young and seemingly very talented QB and a lot of young players. And a high draft pick. Eli will be gone this offseason. This is a real opportunity.
I just hope we don’t waste another season with the current regime because they are utterly incompetent.
It’s different now. The Giants have something that’s very attractive to good coaching talent. A young and seemingly very talented QB and a lot of young players. And a high draft pick. Eli will be gone this offseason. This is a real opportunity.
I just hope we don’t waste another season with the current regime because they are utterly incompetent.
This is a great post. A lot of moves were made towards sentimentality over the last few years pertaining to Coughlin & Eli. The 2 cornerstones of the 2007 & 2011 Super Bowl titles - it isn’t easy to kick them to the curb (nor should they be). Unfortunately, all these moves were bad & led to awful finishes for both with their NYG careers. If the SB’s weren’t won, it would have gone a lot differently.
Now, we’ve got the QB. It’s a huge opportunity to clear out the FO & coaching staff and be a REALLY desirable job. The job will only be desirable though if the front office is cleared out.
As far as brand goes, the Niners brand is just fine this year. Need to win.
If the current generation of ownership runs a bad ship, then coaches/players may avoid, thus continuing a losing streak. If a GM/owner structure is bad at identifying/acquiring talent, or is bad at working with coaches in that area, then it'll hamper attracting coaches.
But if it is just a case of bad luck with a GM or coach, there's no reason fortunes can't turn around tomorrow.
I'm not sold on the Maras, so there may be a long drought ahead.
Winning , especially momentum changing defensive stops against great offensive teams, will get us very fired up.
And run the football .
It’s different now. The Giants have something that’s very attractive to good coaching talent. A young and seemingly very talented QB and a lot of young players. And a high draft pick. Eli will be gone this offseason. This is a real opportunity.
I just hope we don’t waste another season with the current regime because they are utterly incompetent.
I have no interest in defending the current Giants regime, but these two things contradict each other:
I just hope we don’t waste another season with the current regime because they are utterly incompetent.
Do you mean the coaching regime? Because the good things they have now didn't get there by themselves.
I've lost patience with Shurmur. He could regain my confidence with a run of victories after the bye, but I don't really think that's going to happen.
Having the jets suck at the same time helps.
But if Jones and Saquon fizz out, watch out.
If the current generation of ownership runs a bad ship, then coaches/players may avoid, thus continuing a losing streak. If a GM/owner structure is bad at identifying/acquiring talent, or is bad at working with coaches in that area, then it'll hamper attracting coaches.
But if it is just a case of bad luck with a GM or coach, there's no reason fortunes can't turn around tomorrow.
I'm not sold on the Maras, so there may be a long drought ahead.
They might not - but unlike other jobs where your performance isn't as public and as easily evaluated, a coach in the NFL could easily be one and done, never to find another spot if he does poorly.
If the Giants are high risk for an incoming coach - losing for a prolonged span of time, with possibly some internal dysfunction that is known in league circles - they would absolutely cause some of the more sought after candidates to reconsider. This was rumored to have happened this past hiring cycle with Patricia.
The Giants Way would scare me off too if I were an incoming coach, knowing that the owner considers himself a regular part of the football decision making apparatus, his brother is the senior VP of personnel and they have a habit of only hiring insiders. Being an outsider in that room, how much say would I actually have?
any coach worth his salt should have confidence in himself. But his vision has to match that of GM/ownership. if his vision doesn't he won't be offered the job, or he'll tell the GM/Owner no thanks. There also has to be agreement for the process of putting together a staff.
A coach candidate has to consider whether a team has talent to fit the scheme agreed up by coach/GM/owner and what the process is to acquire talent.
It isn't the losing history that matters. It's WHY there's so much losing. Any coach worth bringing in should have confidence in his ability to do his part in bringing the team to glory. If the rest of the equation is a hot mess, coaches will be scared off.
You are right that a prospect might only get one shot, so he has to choose wisely. existing talent is only one consideration. Patricia (and I'm sure others) decided the overall situation elsewhere was better.
Coughlin is potential HOF. The bold lettering on the red flag is asking why the Giants couldn't field competitive teams for so long. Reese was only one piece of the puzzle.
I actually really like Gettleman. Things didn't work out this year but he knows his sh#t. I think it starts and ends with a horribly coached football team that gets its ass kicked schematically before they take the field.