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| George Young, who should be in the NFL Hall of Fame, answered every message. Ernie Accorsi was cut from the same cloth. Even when social media was emerging Jerry Reese always had a bye-week session with the media, even in the darkest of times. |
Precisely.
He's arguably the person most responsible for this recent nightmare.
So he hides in the safety of the shadows. Letting others take it on the chin for his decisions.
Yeah.Very possible.
They aren't going to say anything that is going to make you happy anyway.
So.
If the players and coaches have to deal with the media, then the people who actually picked these players should have to face the same media. What makes them so special? In these times where the product is poor and not competitive, those are the people I actually have the most interest in hearing from...
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never really understood the need from some fans to hear from owners or general managers during the season.
They aren't going to say anything that is going to make you happy anyway.
So.
If the players and coaches have to deal with the media, then the people who actually picked these players should have to face the same media. What makes them so special? In these times where the product is poor and not competitive, those are the people I actually have the most interest in hearing from...
The Giants can bring out Reese to answer questions. According to many, it's still all his fault. Problem = solved.
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never really understood the need from some fans to hear from owners or general managers during the season.
They aren't going to say anything that is going to make you happy anyway.
So.
If the players and coaches have to deal with the media, then the people who actually picked these players should have to face the same media. What makes them so special? In these times where the product is poor and not competitive, those are the people I actually have the most interest in hearing from...
But, the owner and general manager does deal with the media when it is appropriate. At the end of the season, the draft and prior to the season. They do not need to give an in season account of the team. It serves no purpose and as mentioned, gettleman is not doing anything different from the way he has operated in the past (win or lose).
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never really understood the need from some fans to hear from owners or general managers during the season.
They aren't going to say anything that is going to make you happy anyway.
So.
If the players and coaches have to deal with the media, then the people who actually picked these players should have to face the same media. What makes them so special? In these times where the product is poor and not competitive, those are the people I actually have the most interest in hearing from...
But, the owner and general manager does deal with the media when it is appropriate. At the end of the season, the draft and prior to the season. They do not need to give an in season account of the team. It serves no purpose and as mentioned, gettleman is not doing anything different from the way he has operated in the past (win or lose).
I get that. I’m not arguing about their decision to stay silent. What I take issue with are fans that don’t want to hear from the team and somehow believe that we (fans) are better off with less information. I can’t support that premise.
This team sucks from the top to the bottom.
We are deep into the 60’s and 70’s once again.
Like George Young back in the day who will lead this team in the future to glory.
Not Gettleman or Shurmur and no one trusts Mara either.
I'm okay with him being an asshole as long as next year the team has meaningful late December football.
But the more he shuts up- the more the media and fans are going to tear into him and Mara next year. This is Mara's hire. He knows what DG is. DG has a "screw you" attitude. If he wins - it's cool. He loses he'll get turned on big time next year. This year he's still fortunate enough to have excuses.
And there is no reason for the media to like him.
Anything besides that isn't with listening to.
Because you can't trust what he says.
If you want to trust what he says - that's your business. I think you're being awful gullible and naive to pay attention. I prefer to watch what he does.
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What’s the point in ever having any interviews ever? Or are we saying interviews when team is doing well = good, when the team is doing bad they = not good? Makes no sense.
Because you can't trust what he says.
If you want to trust what he says - that's your business. I think you're being awful gullible and naive to pay attention. I prefer to watch what he does.
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What’s the point in ever having any interviews ever? Or are we saying interviews when team is doing well = good, when the team is doing bad they = not good? Makes no sense.
Because you can't trust what he says.
If you want to trust what he says - that's your business. I think you're being awful gullible and naive to pay attention. I prefer to watch what he does.
That applies to any interview. So we should do interviews when the team is doing well, but if doing poorly they shouldn’t have to answer the questions? That makes no sense.
Nooo it doesn't. You are trying to change the narrative of my question and then exaggerating the point.
Not all GM's lie about the state of the team or lie to the degree Gettleman has.
Where did i say because the team stinks don't listen? I said because he's a liar and I cant trust a thing he says that I shouldn't listen. And i feel many feel the same way. I said I prefer to watch what he does.
DG made this bed with his over-the-top lying. Now as a fan being lied to much and extremely as DG has, you feel I should be "required" as a fan to listen to more of his lies? Huh???
Or the homers want to bury their heads in the sand.
OFc it's much of social media's fault the Giants suck.
It’s been mentioned many times in this thread, but apparently you’ve somehow missed them all. Gettleman has NEVER talked during the bye week. This includes his time in Carolina. So, yeah, you’re flat out wrong.
DG: Hi, howaya? Good to see everyone. To start I’ll say I’m disappointed with our record, as I know the players and coaches are too. We were hurt by some injuries, some rookie growing pains. I know we’re going to continue to improve, and for my part I continue to evaluate and add pieces where I think they can help us.
Q: Why do the Giants suck? Do you blame Shurmur?
DG: Well, I’m ultimately responsible (wink!) but I know Pat and his staff are working hard. We need to clean up some turnovers and cause more, too. But at this point we’re all in on winning out.
Q: Why can’t the D stop anyone, ever, at any time?
DG: Well, we have some young guys developing on the DL and outside. There are going to be some growing pains. I like how there has been no quit. I remember with Carolina once we were bad but got better, so that’s the idea here.
Q: Do you realize you’re team is worse than the Jets?
DG: Well, it was back and forth, and the Jets ate a storied franchise here going back to SB IIII, Namath, Klecko, Gastineau...and they play in a beautiful, stadium! At Carolina we lost to the Dolphins once but I’ve been doing this a long time and we got it fixed. We’ll get it done here.
Q: Do you think Bettcher should be let go given the D is last, or near last?
DG: Coach is working hard but we’ll address everything at the end of the season when I can defer decisions to later, at that time.
Q:How has Jones played?
DG: After he was stripped for yet another defensive TD, I blew chunks and it was full blown chunks love.
Ok fellas. Thanks.
Again you are trying to change the narrative. I said if you want to listen him go ahead. Yet you're "incredulous" for others that don't want to listen to him. SO for the many that don't you're trying to "butt your nose in" and give them a dig for not being the fan you want them to be (i.e. . imply "what kind of fan are you that doesn't want to hear the GM speak. I'm a good fan because I want to listen him.).
Secondly, I don't get your subject question. Didn't I say that not all GM's lie or at least not lie to the extent that DG has? How have you twisted that into - to paraphrase that I'm suggesting don't ever listen to ANY interview?
Third, when you say "But there is a reason organizations do these things."
You are IGNORING the fact that the OWNER KNEW what DG was. DG does NOT do this. If you want a GM that does this then DG isn't your guy. Mara hired him knowing very well DG doesn't do this.
Now let me ask you something. I'm asking if you could put yourself in the shoes of many of us who don't trust a thing DG says. If you do this - how can you NOT understand that if you completely don;t trust someone then why the hell should you waste your time listening to him? You know how he feels about these things and he's not going give you shit.
You feel you are getting "information" from DG fine. Many of us feel like we're getting "disinformation." I'd rather not have to hear or read "disinformation." By DG not speaking at these type of things while so many others have - doesn't this tell you he has no regard for things like this?
And un-importantly - the more he opens up his mouth on stuff like this - especially if he isn't interested- the more many of who dislike or hate him will hate him more for his arrogant and asinine comments. I for one would prefer to not hate him. I want to see him win.
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What’s the point in ever having any interviews ever? Or are we saying interviews when team is doing well = good, when the team is doing bad they = not good? Makes no sense.
Because you can't trust what he says.
If you want to trust what he says - that's your business. I think you're being awful gullible and naive to pay attention. I prefer to watch what he does.
Then you don't have to watch it or read about it.
Whether he answers anything with substance or cliche or whatever, I think there are questions that can be posed to DG that he should be compelled to answer as a face of this franchise.
The game has evolved where fans are more in tune with the role management plays. And how those decisions by management, with cap/personnel, impact the quality of the product on the field.
In fact, I think it's the very least he can do. Mara as well.
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What’s the point in ever having any interviews ever? Or are we saying interviews when team is doing well = good, when the team is doing bad they = not good? Makes no sense.
Because you can't trust what he says.
If you want to trust what he says - that's your business. I think you're being awful gullible and naive to pay attention. I prefer to watch what he does.
Then you don't have to watch it or read about it.
I don't actively seek it out but when I have the tV and some analyst or commentator will mention what DG said. Or what I hear on the radio or when we argue about points some posters will quote what DG said bringing what he said into the discussion. In fact I took an idiotic quote of his that another poster posted and used it for sometime to show what a liar and ass he was.
Anyhow, tt was the poster uberalias that asked the question of those of us that don't give a shit what he has to say - if we only listen to DG if the team was going good and not bad.
I replied ot thta and told him that for many of us that we don;t give a shit what a liar and ass has to say.
You want to believe him or play some mind games trying to decipher what he means or just want to laugh at the asshole- be my guest.
Just don't get incredulous for those of us that want to see what he does and no longer give a shit what he says.
Even if we are shareholders (and the Giants are not a public company. So not even that level of alleged "accountability") can we do much more than write a letter to Investor Relations and get a form letter back?
They are in the privately owned entertainment business. We can only vote by not going to their movies. As Giant fans had to do once before to get things to change at the top.
Only language they understand.
You want to believe him or play some mind games trying to decipher what he means or just want to laugh at the asshole- be my guest.
Just don't get incredulous for those of us that want to see what he does and no longer give a shit what he says.
I've seen what he does. And it's less than impressive.
But if you need to see more, my guess is you'll be given that opportunity because I doubt DG is going anywhere.
So the poor product will likely continue...
If offense and defense both flop, I can't imagine the current staff surviving. Shurmur might survive if somehow they can blame the offense's problems on DJ's rookie growing pains. That seems unlikely.
If the offense flops and the defense shows improvement, Shurmur probably goes, and Bettcher probably goes with him. Maybe, if the defense dominates for the last seven games, they could survive that. Also unlikely.
If the offense is better and the defense flops, and Jones shows improvement, Shurmur probably survives but Bettcher is probably gone. Also Shurmur probably has to make some changes, like giving up play calling and hiring a QB coach. They could argue he has too much on his plate right now. That has the advantage of probably being true.
If the offense and defense both improve, they don't go 1-6. That sure would be nice, huh.
It's not a tragedy. He's going to stay quiet, resurface in January. He'll have something cute to say. He'll do the opposite.
He's a little old, but even the old have a chance every day to self assess, critique, and do it a little better the next go.
Does self assess, critique, and then most importantly do it a little better feel like what Dave is all about? That's the big question.
Let me rephrase. No matter the age, there's always a chance for practicing more personal wisdom. Whether Dave can do so this offseason will be critical in his future employment and the immediate term success of the Giants.
The only conclusion one could draw was that ownership requested it as a measure of goodwill with the public. Considering they had been doing it for 20+ years, that would mean that it was happening under Wellington Mara and then continued under John.
But then, all of a sudden they hire Gettleman and he shuts that down with the blessing of ownership? Why was he suddenly given this exemption?
Off season it's the GM.
He wouldn't say anything that would undermine the HC. He's not going to honestly answer any questions as to why the team sucks.
It would just be a public relations affair. If you want to argue whether he should do it for PR purposes, have at it. Highly unlikely you're ever going to get answers to the questions you want asked, no matter what time of year it is, and certainly not in season.
(cant tell you how many posts I wish I could re phrase to reflect what I really meant. Not really a form of communication where most of us work to polish what we write)
Off season it's the GM.
He wouldn't say anything that would undermine the HC. He's not going to honestly answer any questions as to why the team sucks.
It would just be a public relations affair. If you want to argue whether he should do it for PR purposes, have at it. Highly unlikely you're ever going to get answers to the questions you want asked, no matter what time of year it is, and certainly not in season.
good post
Judge DG by his actions. I could care less about what he says or when.
Fans will suddenly feel better about being Giants fans and ‘stay invested’ in the team because DG says they are working to fix the problems, or the problems aren’t as bad as anyone thinks?
Investors are owners. Fans are not. That would be like seeing a bad movie and insisting the director hold a press conference to explain his poor directorial decisions so that people would see his next movie.
You basically re-stated the point.