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Bring in Matt Rhule

BigBlueDownTheShore : 11/16/2019 8:51 pm
Heís going to get a shot at an NFL gig and I want it to be with the Giants.

Pat is not the answer.
If the GIants do fire Shurmur  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2019 9:00 pm : link
I expect him to be high on their list.
Rhule is def a top candidate  
Torrag : 11/16/2019 9:31 pm : link
Has defensive roots matched with a broad experience set in coaching.
Heíd be my choice  
bigblue12 : 11/16/2019 9:39 pm : link
Wasnít he an oline coach with us
I like Rhule  
Jay on the Island : 11/16/2019 9:49 pm : link
I just want him to bring in an established staff. I would look to raid the Cowboys staff once Garrett is fired. I would target both Marinelli and Kris Richard.

Bill Callahan would be my top choice for OL coach.
YES!  
thrunthrublue : 11/16/2019 9:56 pm : link
lets get an aggressive,motivating, winning head coach in here. we currently employ a potentially 17 and 48 loser. 17 and 48? "sorry ma'am I forgot to put your oil filter back on.....whoops." 17 and 48?....I thought you said kidney transplant.....not heart! whoops, my bad". 17 and 48?....."Did you say launch, or lunch?" 7 years of last place basement mold gets you acting like Richard Harris in the county of monte Cristo, but slightly more hopeless and desperate. Christmas list: new g.m.....new scouting, new head coach.....and especially....new, aggressive defense. cheers!
Rhule does look like the right guy -  
Del Shofner : 11/16/2019 10:04 pm : link
he was an assistant with the Giants in 2012?
RE: I like Rhule  
Nine-Tails : 11/16/2019 10:23 pm : link
In comment 14681250 Jay on the Island said:
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I just want him to bring in an established staff. I would look to raid the Cowboys staff once Garrett is fired. I would target both Marinelli and Kris Richard.

Bill Callahan would be my top choice for OL coach.


Now that would be a great scenario. And he has giants roots, get it done Mara!!!!!
No thank you ...  
Spider56 : 11/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
He coaches in a conference where they canít spell defense ... ithey play flag football out there.
Hell yes  
Oscar : 11/16/2019 10:24 pm : link
Hope Mara is paying attention
RE: I like Rhule  
nzyme : 11/16/2019 10:52 pm : link
In comment 14681250 Jay on the Island said:
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Bill Callahan would be my top choice for OL coach.


Agreed he's the best!
'Callahan would be my top choice for OL coach. Agreed he's the best!'  
Torrag : 11/16/2019 10:59 pm : link
Dante Scarnechia is the best...but I'm splitting hairs cuz callahan is a real good coach.
RE: If the GIants do fire Shurmur  
santacruzom : 11/16/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14681208 Jay on the Island said:
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I expect him to be high on their list.


Yeah, but would the Giants be high on his? There is reason to doubt it.
There are better candidates...  
bw in dc : 11/16/2019 11:12 pm : link
Rhule has prior ties to this organization. So that disqualifies him in my eyes.
RE: There are better candidates...  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/16/2019 11:38 pm : link
In comment 14681308 bw in dc said:
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Rhule has prior ties to this organization. So that disqualifies him in my eyes.


The current coach had zero ties....
RE: There are better candidates...  
Mr. Bungle : 11/16/2019 11:54 pm : link
In comment 14681308 bw in dc said:
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Rhule has prior ties to this organization. So that disqualifies him in my eyes.

So does Belichick. That's a bizarre criterion.

I think I'm on the Rhule bandwagon.
He's the guy  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 11/17/2019 12:03 am : link
I've been hoping for since I became convinced Shurmur wasn't the answer.
Blowing a huge lead at halftime  
Mike in NY : 11/17/2019 5:47 am : link
He will fit right in
I personally  
Giantophile : 11/17/2019 6:34 am : link
Think Rhule will struggle in the NFL. I read a nice article about him in the Athletic where they shadow him as he preps for a game.

Seems like a nice enough guy but so much of what he does is rah rah college stuff. His big initiative was to hold more meetings and do more team building events so guys are around one a other and closer as a team. That's all well and good but that's not going to carry the same weight in the bigs.

I worry about his conference, his ability to attract quality coordinators, and the learning curve between college and pros. Give me someone with experience.
RE: I personally  
Eman11 : 11/17/2019 7:33 am : link
In comment 14681342 Giantophile said:
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Think Rhule will struggle in the NFL. I read a nice article about him in the Athletic where they shadow him as he preps for a game.

Seems like a nice enough guy but so much of what he does is rah rah college stuff. His big initiative was to hold more meetings and do more team building events so guys are around one a other and closer as a team. That's all well and good but that's not going to carry the same weight in the bigs.

I worry about his conference, his ability to attract quality coordinators, and the learning curve between college and pros. Give me someone with experience.


Maybe he just looked at the situation and came up with a plan to make it work. Doesn't mean he will do the same thing everywhere and to me is a nice change from a square peg round hole type of coach.

Look at what you have, and come up with what's needed to get the best out of what's there.

I think the fact he's had some pro experience as an assistant will be a big plus as he already has a head start on any learning curve.
Why would he want to coach a High School flag football team  
Danny Dimes : 11/17/2019 8:12 am : link
?
being able to win  
BigBlueCane : 11/17/2019 9:01 am : link
at historic doormats is a good sign regardless of background.
RE: Why would he want to coach a High School flag football team  
Spider56 : 11/17/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14681377 Danny Dimes said:
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Youíre right ... heís already the coach of a college flag football team
Rhule  
Matt in SGS : 11/17/2019 9:38 am : link
is the guy I have been mentioning for years after he left the Giants to go to Temple. It felt very Coughlin-esque for the Giants to have an assistant take over as the head man of a college closer by and keep tabs on him (ie- Coughlin as WR coach taking over at Boston College).
RE: I like Rhule  
twostepgiants : 11/17/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14681250 Jay on the Island said:
[quote] I just want him to bring in an established staff. I would look to raid the Cowboys staff once Garrett is fired. I would target both Marinelli and Kris Richard.

Bill Callahan would be my top choice for OL coach. [/quote

Rhule turned down the Jets job because they wanted to select his assistants.
Rhule  
Sammo85 : 11/17/2019 10:19 am : link
carries some qualities and exhibits some of what you want in what an NFL HC should be. Someone who can be an executive type, program building. Knows and has a little experience of each phase or side of the ball. But can identify where he needs help (brought in Texas coaches who knew the conference, knew the recruiting contacts and process). He empowered his coordinators to develop their philosophy and approaches but within his but also didnít micromanage.

He did a good job understanding the issues he was facing with Baylor culturally and with lots of program deficits but not on talent.

I havenít watched enough Baylor to get a feel for how he handles adjustments, in game coaching and other monitoring and decision making.

He did show that while he favors a pro style run based attack, that heíd adapt to his personnel and coaches to incorporate spread and RPO concepts.
Why  
afann : 11/17/2019 11:28 am : link
Does everyone continue to talk about a new head coach when all indications are that Shurmur will be back?
Contract 2028  
richinpa : 11/17/2019 11:42 am : link

He signed an extension until 2028 with Baylor

I think he is a top 5 paid coach now in college

Ya think the owernship would pay out his contract? NOPE

Nobody knows what provisions the guy has in the agreement for a buy out but seems highly unlikely

He did get his real start here in the NFL and then went to Temple..turned that shit show around

If he had the right staff around him, he could be a guy that young players seem to rally around.
RE: RE: There are better candidates...  
bw in dc : 11/17/2019 11:59 am : link
In comment 14681322 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 14681308 bw in dc said:


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Rhule has prior ties to this organization. So that disqualifies him in my eyes.


So does Belichick. That's a bizarre criterion.

I think I'm on the Rhule bandwagon.


Of course Belichick would be an exception. His way of building and developing a team speaks for itself.

Further, he'd have to wear both the HC and GM hat if he was here. And that would break the "Giants Way" model. It would be profoundly stupid to let anyone else have personnel decisions but him.

Look, it's not happening, so it's really a moot point.
Well there is this  
blueblood'11 : 11/18/2019 7:50 am : link
It would appear Mara has done a terrible job finding the right solutions. We can talk all we want about who should be the next head coach but, take a look at the GM, he's a clown. All one needs to remember is this, well we didn't sign him to an extension just to trade him ha ha ha ha.

And then they traded him. This is the guy Mara has chosen to put this team together. This is year eight of the Giants run of bad football and counting. God only knows how many more are down the road. By the looks of things it could be quite a few.
I still don't see the draw  
Scott in Montreal : 11/18/2019 8:02 am : link
for him to come the NFL.

The NFL is no longer the pinnacle of coaching. The NCAA is.

The money is better. If you are making the school money then you essentially have all the job security you would want. In most cases now a days you only need a .500 record to make a bowl now. Schools like coaches who get to bowls. Even smaller bowls. Bowls pay.

If you win and are at a smaller school, or in a smaller conference it is the bigger schools that will look to hire you.

Rhule is making 4.25 million a year at Baylor. If the program does well. That will only go up.
RE: I personally  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/18/2019 8:40 am : link
In comment 14681342 Giantophile said:
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His big initiative was to hold more meetings and do more team building events so guys are around one a other and closer as a team. That's all well and good but that's not going to carry the same weight in the bigs.

Isn't that precisely what Coughlin supposedly did to warm up to the players going into the 2007 season?

I wouldn't be so sure that it doesn't translate. Many players are in a form of suspended adolescence - I don't think you can just assume a different level of maturity based on typical age norms.
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