That's a very poor number. I'm encouraged by some things I've seen from him, but it's not like he's having a good year in a vacuum.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
I think Jones is a better physical thrower of the football, but Jackson is a better passer. His running ability opens up passing lanes, and vice versa.
Want to help Jones become a better passer? Call 8 planned runs for him per game. Make opponents respect his running ability.
If Shurmur is fired I think we should give Greg Roman serious consideration to be the next head coach. He could do a lot with an athlete like Jones and Barkley in the backfield.
That's a very poor number. I'm encouraged by some things I've seen from him, but it's not like he's having a good year in a vacuum.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
I think Jones is a better physical thrower of the football, but Jackson is a better passer. His running ability opens up passing lanes, and vice versa.
Want to help Jones become a better passer? Call 8 planned runs for him per game. Make opponents respect his running ability.
If Shurmur is fired I think we should give Greg Roman serious consideration to be the next head coach. He could do a lot with an athlete like Jones and Barkley in the backfield.
yes.. let's add a master schemer like Greg Roman.. please.
I've said for 6 weeks now the Giants offense should look like Â
- Stop being in the shotgun so much with 3 WRs
- Put QB under center
- FB and TE on the field more often
- Multiple TEs on the field more often
- Using the star RB's speed and athleticism, especially with runs to the edge of the formations
- Play-action passing that allows for using the QB's athleticism to move pocket and adding extra blockers
That's kind of what the offense looked like in the preseason when Jones had a lot of success. Shurmur has decided since the QB move that the Giants need to be in shotgun a ridiculous amount of the time, which lessens the effectiveness of Barkley as a runner and a threat. He's also decided that they need to have 3 WRs on the field a ton when they barely have 1 WR.
to post glowing things about Jackson. It is another thing to just post fanciful bullshit our outright falsehoods:
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As a passer there is literally no comparison. Jackson is putting up perfect passing days. Vick always struggled to pass consistently. Burt even as a runner Lamar is surpassing Vick quite handily. As a starter he is almost double Vick's production on a per game basis and he will smash the QB rushing record in his first full season. I would add, Lamar out of the gate is an MVP candidate, at the age of 22. I don't think in his entire career Vick was a serious MVP candidate.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
And his YPA (7.15) in that one was still better than Jones's has been (6.7).
Measuring Jackson's performance without considering the running aspect and looking at his YPA misses the boat. Baltimore isn't running a WCO focused on short passes and YAC.
NextGen Stats has a metric called Completion Percentage Above Expectation, defined as "A passer’s actual completion percentage compared to their Expected Completion Percentage." Jackson ranks 10th in the NFL in this metric, above the likes of Rodgers, Rivers, Jones, Mahomes, and Brady.
Jackson is passing at 8.1 YPA, has a 19/5 TD/INT ratio, and has 800 yards and 6 TDs rushing. He's on pace for:
For comparison, Barkley rushed for 1307 yds. and 13 TDs last year and everyone here was putting him in the Hall of Fame. Jackson is putting up those numbers in fewer carries while putting up a better statistical passing season than Eli Manning ever had.
"A better statistical passing season than Eli has ever had"???
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
"A better statistical passing season than Eli has ever had"???
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
Jackson isn't turning the ball over, and he's getting more bang for his buck on passing plays than Eli ever did in any season except one: 2011. Eli was obviously exceptional that year especially in clutch spots...I think most would say that's his best season. Jackson's year this year compares pretty well to that one. If you want to say they're equivalent, I'm OK with that. Eli's 4th quarter comebacks carried the team that year.
But again: 8.1 YPA and very few turnovers. That's a major reason the Ravens have double digit victories over New England, Seattle, and Houston.
"A better statistical passing season than Eli has ever had"???
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
Why are you LOL?
LJax's QBR is 77.8. Eli has never sniffed that or the TD/INT ratio Jax is trending to...
to post glowing things about Jackson. It is another thing to just post fanciful bullshit our outright falsehoods:
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As a passer there is literally no comparison. Jackson is putting up perfect passing days. Vick always struggled to pass consistently. Burt even as a runner Lamar is surpassing Vick quite handily. As a starter he is almost double Vick's production on a per game basis and he will smash the QB rushing record in his first full season. I would add, Lamar out of the gate is an MVP candidate, at the age of 22. I don't think in his entire career Vick was a serious MVP candidate.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
i would appreciate it if you responded to me on the merits of my argument and stopped slurring me as a troll. It is not trolling or fanciful to say Vick is not in Lamar's class as a passer. Vick never had a career rate of 80.4. He had one season where he nudged over 100. Lamar is over 105. He has recorded three games higher than Vick ever recorded.
to post glowing things about Jackson. It is another thing to just post fanciful bullshit our outright falsehoods:
Quote:
As a passer there is literally no comparison. Jackson is putting up perfect passing days. Vick always struggled to pass consistently. Burt even as a runner Lamar is surpassing Vick quite handily. As a starter he is almost double Vick's production on a per game basis and he will smash the QB rushing record in his first full season. I would add, Lamar out of the gate is an MVP candidate, at the age of 22. I don't think in his entire career Vick was a serious MVP candidate.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
i would appreciate it if you responded to me on the merits of my argument and stopped slurring me as a troll. It is not trolling or fanciful to say Vick is not in Lamar's class as a passer. Vick never had a career rate of 80.4. He had one season where he nudged over 100. Lamar is over 105. He has recorded three games higher than Vick ever recorded.
correction: Vick had a career rate of 80.4. Lamar is presently at 98.0. Vick had only one season in the range.
"As a passer there is no comparison"?? Try to back up that line of complete bullshit.
Well, for starters, Jackson in ten games this year (and just seventeen games into his starting career) is only two touchdowns behind Vick's career high of 21, which he achieved as a 30 year old veteran. He's completing 66% of his passes, which Vick never came close to doing, while throwing for a YPA of 8.1 which equals Vick's career high, a number he never reached in any other season but 2010.
I think those are pretty relevant to the argument that Jackson is a better passer than Vick was.
Jax is trending to a 77.8 QBR. In Vick's best career year, with Philly, he got to 65. And that was his best completion % year at just under 63%. Jax is at 66.3%.
a troll. It isn't a slur. Vick was runner-up for the MVP two different seasons, yet you make it seem like Jackson is a much better QB.
"As a passer there is no comparison"?? Try to back up that line of complete bullshit.
seriously dude, what are you six years old? we're discussing football. i am giving you rational arguments and you are name-calling. let's try not make this place any more of a fever swamp than it already is. And you are incorrect about Vick being runner up twice. I won't hold my breath for a retraction since you seem too proud to admit anything.
That's a very poor number. I'm encouraged by some things I've seen from him, but it's not like he's having a good year in a vacuum.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
RG3 led the NFL in YPA as a rookie. As a matter of fact, he averaged 8.1 YPA too. Perhaps it's a function of their offenses as opposed to a statement of their passing skills.
Keep in mind, this is Lamar's first 8 regular season starts. If I included the playoff game instead of week 1 of 2019, he suddenly has only 5 passing TDs in his first 8 starts. So if Jones is a struggling rookie, what did that make Lamar?
Keep in mind, this is Lamar's first 8 regular season starts. If I included the playoff game instead of week 1 of 2019, he suddenly has only 5 passing TDs in his first 8 starts. So if Jones is a struggling rookie, what did that make Lamar?
Since we are parsing stats, how about we compare their last 8 starts and keep in mind these two QBs are the same age. This is why I started this thread. We have a lot of people who seriously think Jones is in the same category as Jackson. He is not. 99% of non-Giants fans know this. I want us to know it as well so we can be OBJECTIVE assessing talent. Might DJ become the better player, possibly but not likely.
You're not going to force people to agree with you. Â
are running a very unusual offense in Baltimore. It's really amazing and interesting the amount of production they are getting from their trio of TEs - Boyle, Andrews, and Hurst. These are big targets who are very difficult to cover in their multiple TE sets.
That 2018 draft was awesome for the Ravens, btw - Jax, Hurst, Andrews, and Brown.
are running a very unusual offense in Baltimore. It's really amazing and interesting the amount of production they are getting from their trio of TEs - Boyle, Andrews, and Hurst. These are big targets who are very difficult to cover in their multiple TE sets.
That 2018 draft was awesome for the Ravens, btw - Jax, Hurst, Andrews, and Brown.
Cosell has described the Raven offense as "low risk but very hard to defend".. They feature 3 TEs in their primary offense and therefore the defense must go big and heavy, and it makes it hard for the D to go edge to edge against speed. It makes Lamar so much more dangerous. It's a speed mismatch.
Since we are parsing stats, how about we compare their last 8 starts and keep in mind these two QBs are the same age. This is why I started this thread. We have a lot of people who seriously think Jones is in the same category as Jackson. He is not. 99% of non-Giants fans know this. I want us to know it as well so we can be OBJECTIVE assessing talent. Might DJ become the better player, possibly but not likely.
If I'm not being "objective" enough for you, look up RG3's first 17 starts and compare them to Lamar Jackson's. I guess they were both football savants.
Just dial it back a bit if possible.
i think Jackson is having a fantastic season.... Â
Over the top is comparing Barkley to Barry Sanders, or Beckham to Jerry Rice...two common sentiments on BBI. Shit I've read people saying Barkley is on his way to Canton.
Britt...if Jackson were doing this shit with the Giants what proclamations would you be making?
Over the top is comparing Barkley to Barry Sanders, or Beckham to Jerry Rice...two common sentiments on BBI. Shit I've read people saying Barkley is on his way to Canton.
Britt...if Jackson were doing this shit with the Giants what proclamations would you be making?
My point was yes, he's having fantastic season. But we've seen this before. Notably, as I implied above, with Cam Newton in 2015 where you were quick to throw water on that love fest, and continue to this day to sum up that season with the gif of him quitting in the Superbowl.
Let the thing play out.
Lamar Jackson has a great team around him. That's awesome and he's doing great. I'm not sure he would be doing that here, for one.
For two, I'm not putting Barkley or Daniel Jones in the HOF, but I like what I see, and I'm cautiously optimistic and excited about their future.
is the Beckham-Rice comparison should give you pause in the way you view Jackson.
Posters did the same thing you're doing - posting stats that showed Beckham favorably to other top WR's. The most receptions and TD's for a player in the stage career he was at.
And what did you do? Shit on it. But when you do it for Jackson, the people doing the same thing you did for Beckham are mocked.
Interesting that you don't even see your own hypocrisy but continually point out others.
Two seasons in and already missing games, already exposed as a liability in pass protection, and only about a year from having to make a decision on paying him? I think it's a disaster.
Jackson isn't Cam. Cam has a clown personality, which is a shame because he was a supreme talent. But there isn't much Cam and Jackson have in common.
be interesting to see what the comments are when Jackson gets hurt.
Let's face it, he plays in a division where every team is pretty dirty (his own included), so it is just a matter of time before he's sidelined.
Because when you take the core group of people praising Jackson, there's a lot of overlap to those criticizing the positional value of RB's and Barkley.
So if Jackson has a good 4 year run and is then impacted by injury or worse, that will highlight that it isn't just the production that's important, it is the health.
Lamar is killing it right now, but is what he doing sustainable? Â
Also I think that YPA and TD/INT are the most telling stats for a QB, usinig YPA for a QB like Lamar is slightly different. You really need to include his rushing stats into his passing stats somehow. Where a pocket passer may dump to the flat for 1/2 yards Lamar will take off, sometimes he picks up big runs sometimes he doesn't. Its really hard to quantify Lamar's play using stats compared to more traditional QBs.
And he's missed zero thus far. That's more than can be said for the running back who was touched by the hand of God, and whose actual influence on a game is nothing next to Jackson's.
You guys sure do pick your spots.
RE: Lamar is killing it right now, but is what he doing sustainable? Â
Also I think that YPA and TD/INT are the most telling stats for a QB, usinig YPA for a QB like Lamar is slightly different. You really need to include his rushing stats into his passing stats somehow. Where a pocket passer may dump to the flat for 1/2 yards Lamar will take off, sometimes he picks up big runs sometimes he doesn't. Its really hard to quantify Lamar's play using stats compared to more traditional QBs.
That is the one of the questions - is it sustainable? If I was a Raven fan I would be holding my breath every time Jax ran. He runs straight up, creating a pretty big target to hit. But he's got this Gumby thing going on and he just bounces back up like he simply fell in a moonwalk.
The other question is obvious - can he transform to a much more conventional pocket passer, who only runs as a last resort, and be effective in that role? Thus, reducing hits at higher rates of speed.
If I'm Ravens Central, I am still looking for a QB in the later round of the draft as insurance.
Ironically enough, that staff has done a very nice job rejuvenating RG3. He's looked very good when he's been called in for relief duty in the prior years. So if Jax were to get hurt, I think RG3 would do a decent job keeping them on the tracks...
I always wonder if we missed a great opportunity two years ago when Harbaugh and Bisciotti seemed to be on shaky ground. I would have seriously considered given up draft picks for Harbaugh. He's a great, great coach...
If I'm the Ravens and Hurts is there in round 2, I'm taking him. I'd probably be drafting an athletic QB every year.
If Hurts is there in round 2, we should seriously consider taking him. That would be first round skills falling into the second round.
Hurts has that thicker, Russell Wilson type body that seems more durable.
Did you see that option play Romans ran two weeks ago with Jax and RG3? Jax rolled out, took off, and then pitched to RG3 who was at tailback. I imagine they have another layer in that play where RG3 takes the pitch behind the LOS, the OL doesn't get downfield, and RG3 throws a strike to someone.
That team has some serious imagination, especially when they go heavy with those 3 headed TE monsters.
should sub him out the moment a game is decided to minimize injury risk. Typically, a QB plays no matter what the score is - that approach needs to be changed the LJaxion plan.
RE: One other thought for LJax is that the Ravens Â
should sub him out the moment a game is decided to minimize injury risk. Typically, a QB plays no matter what the score is - that approach needs to be changed the LJaxion plan.
I wonder if it would make sense to take that a step further. Are there situations where it makes sense to remove your starting quarterback? Say it's third and 20 at your own 25, or even first and goal at the 1...are there situations in a game that has yet to be decided where it makes sense to pull your starter and have the backup in?
RE: Lamar is killing it right now, but is what he doing sustainable? Â
Also I think that YPA and TD/INT are the most telling stats for a QB, usinig YPA for a QB like Lamar is slightly different. You really need to include his rushing stats into his passing stats somehow. Where a pocket passer may dump to the flat for 1/2 yards Lamar will take off, sometimes he picks up big runs sometimes he doesn't. Its really hard to quantify Lamar's play using stats compared to more traditional QBs.
What's harder to see through box scores is that he seems to be picking his moments to run intelligently. He doesn't always run. There are games where he runs it 19 times, and games where me might run it 7 times.
You can also infer from his yards per rush, when he does run, it's because he has an open field. The last three games, his yards per rush were 9, 9, 4, and 8.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
I think Jones is a better physical thrower of the football, but Jackson is a better passer. His running ability opens up passing lanes, and vice versa.
Want to help Jones become a better passer? Call 8 planned runs for him per game. Make opponents respect his running ability.
If Shurmur is fired I think we should give Greg Roman serious consideration to be the next head coach. He could do a lot with an athlete like Jones and Barkley in the backfield.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
I think Jones is a better physical thrower of the football, but Jackson is a better passer. His running ability opens up passing lanes, and vice versa.
Want to help Jones become a better passer? Call 8 planned runs for him per game. Make opponents respect his running ability.
If Shurmur is fired I think we should give Greg Roman serious consideration to be the next head coach. He could do a lot with an athlete like Jones and Barkley in the backfield.
yes.. let's add a master schemer like Greg Roman.. please.
- Stop being in the shotgun so much with 3 WRs
- Put QB under center
- FB and TE on the field more often
- Multiple TEs on the field more often
- Using the star RB's speed and athleticism, especially with runs to the edge of the formations
- Play-action passing that allows for using the QB's athleticism to move pocket and adding extra blockers
That's kind of what the offense looked like in the preseason when Jones had a lot of success. Shurmur has decided since the QB move that the Giants need to be in shotgun a ridiculous amount of the time, which lessens the effectiveness of Barkley as a runner and a threat. He's also decided that they need to have 3 WRs on the field a ton when they barely have 1 WR.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
and there's a couple of things that I'd like to say
About Prop 15
IT'S NOT OKAY!
Now I'm no jock
no football hero
But that doesn't mean
I'm an absolute zero
Measuring Jackson's performance without considering the running aspect and looking at his YPA misses the boat. Baltimore isn't running a WCO focused on short passes and YAC.
NextGen Stats has a metric called Completion Percentage Above Expectation, defined as "A passer’s actual completion percentage compared to their Expected Completion Percentage." Jackson ranks 10th in the NFL in this metric, above the likes of Rodgers, Rivers, Jones, Mahomes, and Brady.
Jackson is passing at 8.1 YPA, has a 19/5 TD/INT ratio, and has 800 yards and 6 TDs rushing. He's on pace for:
Passing: 3612 yds., 30 TDs, 8 INT
Rushing: 1260 yds., 10 TDs
For comparison, Barkley rushed for 1307 yds. and 13 TDs last year and everyone here was putting him in the Hall of Fame. Jackson is putting up those numbers in fewer carries while putting up a better statistical passing season than Eli Manning ever had.
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
But again: 8.1 YPA and very few turnovers. That's a major reason the Ravens have double digit victories over New England, Seattle, and Houston.
Eli had 7 seasons over 4000 yards passing, including one with 4,933 yards.
Again - temper the bullshit. Jackson is having an excellent season, but he's not having a better statistical season passing unless you are looking at TD's to INT's.
Why are you LOL?
LJax's QBR is 77.8. Eli has never sniffed that or the TD/INT ratio Jax is trending to...
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As a passer there is literally no comparison. Jackson is putting up perfect passing days. Vick always struggled to pass consistently. Burt even as a runner Lamar is surpassing Vick quite handily. As a starter he is almost double Vick's production on a per game basis and he will smash the QB rushing record in his first full season. I would add, Lamar out of the gate is an MVP candidate, at the age of 22. I don't think in his entire career Vick was a serious MVP candidate.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
i would appreciate it if you responded to me on the merits of my argument and stopped slurring me as a troll. It is not trolling or fanciful to say Vick is not in Lamar's class as a passer. Vick never had a career rate of 80.4. He had one season where he nudged over 100. Lamar is over 105. He has recorded three games higher than Vick ever recorded.
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to post glowing things about Jackson. It is another thing to just post fanciful bullshit our outright falsehoods:
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As a passer there is literally no comparison. Jackson is putting up perfect passing days. Vick always struggled to pass consistently. Burt even as a runner Lamar is surpassing Vick quite handily. As a starter he is almost double Vick's production on a per game basis and he will smash the QB rushing record in his first full season. I would add, Lamar out of the gate is an MVP candidate, at the age of 22. I don't think in his entire career Vick was a serious MVP candidate.
There is no comparison to the passer Jackson is?? Are you fucking with us? Putting up perfect passing days? He was 9-20 vs Seattle for 143 yards! He's had three games under 200 yards passing.
And Vick was runner-up for the MVP in 2002 and 2004. Not sure how a player can get votes to be the MVP and not be a candidate - it is the very definition of being one.
We're probably stuck with you trolling the board weekly, but at least stop with the hyperbole and utter bullshit.
i would appreciate it if you responded to me on the merits of my argument and stopped slurring me as a troll. It is not trolling or fanciful to say Vick is not in Lamar's class as a passer. Vick never had a career rate of 80.4. He had one season where he nudged over 100. Lamar is over 105. He has recorded three games higher than Vick ever recorded.
correction: Vick had a career rate of 80.4. Lamar is presently at 98.0. Vick had only one season in the range.
"As a passer there is no comparison"?? Try to back up that line of complete bullshit.
Well, for starters, Jackson in ten games this year (and just seventeen games into his starting career) is only two touchdowns behind Vick's career high of 21, which he achieved as a 30 year old veteran. He's completing 66% of his passes, which Vick never came close to doing, while throwing for a YPA of 8.1 which equals Vick's career high, a number he never reached in any other season but 2010.
I think those are pretty relevant to the argument that Jackson is a better passer than Vick was.
DJ can't sniff Lamar's jock strap. . [/quote]
Really? Fucking twat.
DJ can't sniff Lamar's jock strap. .
Really? Fucking twat. [/quote]
Right now, he can't. Jones is a struggling rookie and Jackson is an MVP candidate. Different worlds.
"As a passer there is no comparison"?? Try to back up that line of complete bullshit.
seriously dude, what are you six years old? we're discussing football. i am giving you rational arguments and you are name-calling. let's try not make this place any more of a fever swamp than it already is. And you are incorrect about Vick being runner up twice. I won't hold my breath for a retraction since you seem too proud to admit anything.
DJ can't sniff Lamar's jock strap. .
Really? Fucking twat. [/quote]
if you are calling me names, like FMiC, you obv lost the argument,.
Lamar Jackson is at 8.1 YPA...that's an elite number.
RG3 led the NFL in YPA as a rookie. As a matter of fact, he averaged 8.1 YPA too. Perhaps it's a function of their offenses as opposed to a statement of their passing skills.
Jones: 184/293, 63% comp. %, 1967 pass yds., 15 TDs, 8 INTs, 203 rush yds., 2 rush TDs, 12 fumbles
Keep in mind, this is Lamar's first 8 regular season starts. If I included the playoff game instead of week 1 of 2019, he suddenly has only 5 passing TDs in his first 8 starts. So if Jones is a struggling rookie, what did that make Lamar?
Jones: 184/293, 63% comp. %, 1967 pass yds., 15 TDs, 8 INTs, 203 rush yds., 2 rush TDs, 12 fumbles
Keep in mind, this is Lamar's first 8 regular season starts. If I included the playoff game instead of week 1 of 2019, he suddenly has only 5 passing TDs in his first 8 starts. So if Jones is a struggling rookie, what did that make Lamar?
Since we are parsing stats, how about we compare their last 8 starts and keep in mind these two QBs are the same age. This is why I started this thread. We have a lot of people who seriously think Jones is in the same category as Jackson. He is not. 99% of non-Giants fans know this. I want us to know it as well so we can be OBJECTIVE assessing talent. Might DJ become the better player, possibly but not likely.
That 2018 draft was awesome for the Ravens, btw - Jax, Hurst, Andrews, and Brown.
That 2018 draft was awesome for the Ravens, btw - Jax, Hurst, Andrews, and Brown.
Cosell has described the Raven offense as "low risk but very hard to defend".. They feature 3 TEs in their primary offense and therefore the defense must go big and heavy, and it makes it hard for the D to go edge to edge against speed. It makes Lamar so much more dangerous. It's a speed mismatch.
2. What were his stats?
3. Terps, if you could sum up this person's season in one pic/gif, what would it be?
Since we are parsing stats, how about we compare their last 8 starts and keep in mind these two QBs are the same age. This is why I started this thread. We have a lot of people who seriously think Jones is in the same category as Jackson. He is not. 99% of non-Giants fans know this. I want us to know it as well so we can be OBJECTIVE assessing talent. Might DJ become the better player, possibly but not likely.
If I'm not being "objective" enough for you, look up RG3's first 17 starts and compare them to Lamar Jackson's. I guess they were both football savants.
Just dial it back a bit if possible.
The kettle is black.
Britt...if Jackson were doing this shit with the Giants what proclamations would you be making?
Britt...if Jackson were doing this shit with the Giants what proclamations would you be making?
My point was yes, he's having fantastic season. But we've seen this before. Notably, as I implied above, with Cam Newton in 2015 where you were quick to throw water on that love fest, and continue to this day to sum up that season with the gif of him quitting in the Superbowl.
Let the thing play out.
Lamar Jackson has a great team around him. That's awesome and he's doing great. I'm not sure he would be doing that here, for one.
For two, I'm not putting Barkley or Daniel Jones in the HOF, but I like what I see, and I'm cautiously optimistic and excited about their future.
Posters did the same thing you're doing - posting stats that showed Beckham favorably to other top WR's. The most receptions and TD's for a player in the stage career he was at.
And what did you do? Shit on it. But when you do it for Jackson, the people doing the same thing you did for Beckham are mocked.
Interesting that you don't even see your own hypocrisy but continually point out others.
Jackson isn't Cam. Cam has a clown personality, which is a shame because he was a supreme talent. But there isn't much Cam and Jackson have in common.
Let's face it, he plays in a division where every team is pretty dirty (his own included), so it is just a matter of time before he's sidelined.
Because when you take the core group of people praising Jackson, there's a lot of overlap to those criticizing the positional value of RB's and Barkley.
So if Jackson has a good 4 year run and is then impacted by injury or worse, that will highlight that it isn't just the production that's important, it is the health.
You guys sure do pick your spots.
That is the one of the questions - is it sustainable? If I was a Raven fan I would be holding my breath every time Jax ran. He runs straight up, creating a pretty big target to hit. But he's got this Gumby thing going on and he just bounces back up like he simply fell in a moonwalk.
The other question is obvious - can he transform to a much more conventional pocket passer, who only runs as a last resort, and be effective in that role? Thus, reducing hits at higher rates of speed.
If I'm Ravens Central, I am still looking for a QB in the later round of the draft as insurance.
Ironically enough, that staff has done a very nice job rejuvenating RG3. He's looked very good when he's been called in for relief duty in the prior years. So if Jax were to get hurt, I think RG3 would do a decent job keeping them on the tracks...
I always wonder if we missed a great opportunity two years ago when Harbaugh and Bisciotti seemed to be on shaky ground. I would have seriously considered given up draft picks for Harbaugh. He's a great, great coach...
If Hurts is there in round 2, we should seriously consider taking him. That would be first round skills falling into the second round.
Hurts has that thicker, Russell Wilson type body that seems more durable.
Did you see that option play Romans ran two weeks ago with Jax and RG3? Jax rolled out, took off, and then pitched to RG3 who was at tailback. I imagine they have another layer in that play where RG3 takes the pitch behind the LOS, the OL doesn't get downfield, and RG3 throws a strike to someone.
That team has some serious imagination, especially when they go heavy with those 3 headed TE monsters.
Makes you wish we took Hockenson, huh? ;)
I wonder if it would make sense to take that a step further. Are there situations where it makes sense to remove your starting quarterback? Say it's third and 20 at your own 25, or even first and goal at the 1...are there situations in a game that has yet to be decided where it makes sense to pull your starter and have the backup in?
What's harder to see through box scores is that he seems to be picking his moments to run intelligently. He doesn't always run. There are games where he runs it 19 times, and games where me might run it 7 times.
You can also infer from his yards per rush, when he does run, it's because he has an open field. The last three games, his yards per rush were 9, 9, 4, and 8.