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Of the Non-QBs only 2 'can't miss' blue chippers

Giantz_comeback : 11/17/2019 3:59 pm
And none are LTs. There are no Orlando Paces, Anthony Munoz ,Jonathan Ogdens or even Joe Thomas's in this draft. The LTs all have some level of question Marks; good picks perhaps after pick 5 but not before the 2 sure fire blue chip guys and a QB or 2. Tuas injury is a big xfactor but the 2 guys who the Giants must take if either are there : Chase Young or Jerry Jeudy. Both are absolute beasts at their positions and likely instant impact players at Edge and WR.

Jeudy has more of a chance to make it to us because right now I'd say the highest we pick is 3 with Cincy with no wins and Washington an absolute mess with 1 win. Washington unless somehow they have a chance of heart with Haskins isn't going QB and would be nuts to pass on Young.


I want an LT badly but I just don't think there is 1 worthy of the 3 spot (should we pick that high) .

Plus I think we may get a vet guy like Conklin for Jones.

Love Simmons but not at the position he plays and over Young or Jeudy.
don't we control our own destiny vs. washington?  
markky : 11/17/2019 4:01 pm : link
we should pull out all the stops against them. and get an L.
Jeudy would be a tough sell  
Oscar : 11/17/2019 4:04 pm : link
I’m sure he’s a great talent but this team needs better line play. If they can’t get Young and they don’t love the tackles they need to work the trade market and take advantage of a QB-needy team. Same thing they should have done two years ago.

after the redskins watch the rest of the season  
japanhead : 11/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
play out with haskins and if they're sitting at 1 or 2, they may well draft another qb. arizona did it and it worked out for them and with (presumably) a new coach in the building, who knows. giants may well be in a position to take young.
Trading down is a great idea  
Earl the goat : 11/17/2019 4:06 pm : link
Depending how far we can get an additional 1 and 2 this year

Plenty of LT s will have late first early second grades
Becton
Niang
Prince

I’d take Simmons from Clemson with the first pick on the trade down
And fill the rest of the holes on defense via FA

With my other first and two 2s I’d take LT Becton from Louisville who will move up draft boards. I’d take Creed Humphrey in second and a WR in second
Jeudy is a terrific WR...  
bw in dc : 11/17/2019 4:07 pm : link
but with the amount of WR quality in this draft, I think it would be a mistake to take a WR early.
RE: Jeudy would be a tough sell  
Giantz_comeback : 11/17/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14681748 Oscar said:
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I’m sure he’s a great talent but this team needs better line play. If they can’t get Young and they don’t love the tackles they need to work the trade market and take advantage of a QB-needy team. Same thing they should have done two years ago.


With 63 mill and ability to make even more space , I think we get at least one very good OT this offseason in FA.

Jeudy is so good. We are talking top 5-7 WR in NFL potential. Young is also obviously a no brainer if he is somehow there at our pick.

Don't know if Okudah is Denzel Ward good. If so he'd be an option if Young is gone too.
I agree that offensive tackle is more important than wideout, but I'd  
Ira : 11/17/2019 4:12 pm : link
rather get a great wideout than a fairly good tackle.
Washington  
Archer : 11/17/2019 4:29 pm : link
After watching how poorly Haskins has played do the Redskins draft a QB?

I think that it is possible that QBs go one and two
If Washington does not take a QB it is possible that they trade down

I wouldn't put Jeudy in that category  
BSIMatt : 11/17/2019 4:31 pm : link
I don't think he's necessarily separated himself from the WR pack to that level.
RE: Washington  
jnoble : 11/17/2019 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14681773 Archer said:
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After watching how poorly Haskins has played do the Redskins draft a QB?

I think that it is possible that QBs go one and two
If Washington does not take a QB it is possible that they trade down


It would be foolish to give up on him that quick. Its not like he's surrounded by good coaching or talent
It would be the most Mara thing to do  
arniefez : 11/17/2019 5:06 pm : link
Draft a WR top 5 after a RB & QB
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ghost718 : 11/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
We need a Center just as much, if not more, than we need OT's.  
Klaatu : 11/17/2019 5:16 pm : link
We need an impact player on defense, preferably an ER.

I don't want to hear about drafting WR's until those positions have been addressed.
RE: .  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/17/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14681813 ghost718 said:
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You want the Giants to draft Randolph Scott?
Klaatu -100%  
cosmicj : 11/17/2019 5:29 pm : link
Agreed. If Jeudy is the only sensible pick when we are on the clock, please trade down.
RE: It would be the most Mara thing to do  
Klaatu : 11/17/2019 5:33 pm : link
In comment 14681801 arniefez said:
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Draft a WR top 5 after a RB & QB


Remember when we could've drafted Aaron Donald or Zack Martin but drafted Julie McCoy instead? Good times.
My favorite is picking Evan Engram rather than Ryan Ramczyk.  
cosmicj : 11/17/2019 5:35 pm : link
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RE: RE: .  
ghost718 : 11/17/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14681828 McNally's_Nuts said:
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You want the Giants to draft Randolph Scott?


Nah,but I'd rather take someone who plays Alex Karras's position than Jerry Jeudy
RE: Klaatu -100%  
Klaatu : 11/17/2019 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14681831 cosmicj said:
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Agreed. If Jeudy is the only sensible pick when we are on the clock, please trade down.


I'm not opposed to trading down, but as it's been said a million times, you have to find someone willing to trade up.

Anyway, I don't think "Jeudy or a trade down" would - or should - be our only option. There should be several players available when we pick who could make an immediate impact on our defense, and I'd rather see the Giants draft one of them instead of a WR, no matter how highly regarded that WR is.
We have 63 mill plus in FA  
Giantz_comeback : 11/17/2019 7:17 pm : link
No doubt I'd take Young but after that Jeudy could be the best talent in the draft. And with Sheps health , WR is a big need. Jones leads the league in throws in tight windows because our WRs cant separate in coverage. Part scheme? Maybe but if we lose Shep it's a huge need.

If Thomas was a beast LT I'd be all over it. I like him a lot but he isn't a sure fire player like Young or Jeudy.
Lest look back at the OBJ  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/17/2019 7:18 pm : link
Draft. Both ZackMartin and Donnell are 10 times more valuable. WRs done win you shit i the NFL. Draft down fine depending on what the pick is can be argued.

At this point to be blunt only moron drafts a WR in the top 5. They are a Dime a dozen with the new rules. Even a total stud.
What of Okaduh  
Giantz_comeback : 11/17/2019 7:19 pm : link
Thoughts on him. Is he close to Denzel Ward level?
Regarding left tackle  
Sy'56 : 11/17/2019 7:19 pm : link
The best hope may have to be that either Trent Williams, Joe Staley, or Jason Peters becomes available and then there is the risk that all three have been banged up recently
RE: Lest look back at the OBJ  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/17/2019 7:25 pm : link
In comment 14681922 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Draft. Both ZackMartin and Donnell are 10 times more valuable. WRs done win you shit i the NFL. Draft down fine depending on what the pick is can be argued.

At this point to be blunt only moron drafts a WR in the top 5. They are a Dime a dozen with the new rules. Even a total stud.


You might want to work on your communication skills before you start throwing the word "moron" around.
RE: after the redskins watch the rest of the season  
FStubbs : 11/17/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14681753 japanhead said:
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play out with haskins and if they're sitting at 1 or 2, they may well draft another qb. arizona did it and it worked out for them and with (presumably) a new coach in the building, who knows. giants may well be in a position to take young.


Snyder drafted Haskins himself. I think 31 of 32 other front offices in Washington's position go QB in the next draft given what Haskins has shown so far, but who knows what they'll do.
we dont know what is going to happen in FA  
MotownGIANTS : 11/17/2019 7:46 pm : link
but the O is closer than the D ....

at this point trying to get some pieces for the OL is in FA should be priority 1a and some vet help on D is priority 1b ... meaning at least 1 tier piece for both categories.

OT, C and ER.

Though we may be able to pair Chase with Markus and that would not be bad if we can get 2 tier-1 OLs in FA. The go best available WR or FS in rd 2 (non reach of Course). Then BPA the rest of the draft.
Thomas is a very good LT prospect  
Breeze_94 : 11/17/2019 7:48 pm : link
Some people say he is the best OT prospect in the last 5 or 6 years.

Ogden and Pace type LT's come around once or twice every 20 years...
RE: Regarding left tackle  
Reb8thVA : 11/17/2019 8:15 pm : link
In comment 14681925 Sy'56 said:
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The best hope may have to be that either Trent Williams, Joe Staley, or Jason Peters becomes available and then there is the risk that all three have been banged up recently


Sorry, with all due respect, I don’t see any of these old beaten up guys the future. Just more money down a bad whole. Draft your friggin OT and C and build a line that will grow with the QB.
RE: RE: Regarding left tackle  
Sy'56 : 11/17/2019 8:18 pm : link
In comment 14681992 Reb8thVA said:
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In comment 14681925 Sy'56 said:


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The best hope may have to be that either Trent Williams, Joe Staley, or Jason Peters becomes available and then there is the risk that all three have been banged up recently



Sorry, with all due respect, I don’t see any of these old beaten up guys the future. Just more money down a bad whole. Draft your friggin OT and C and build a line that will grow with the QB.


Ideal is draft - I agree.

But they may need a 1 year rental and any of them is an upgrade of Solder.

If NYG has a shot at Chase Young, they won't be getting any of the top 4 or 5 OTs in the 2020 class.
I thought I heard Andrew Thomas was a stud LT  
twostepgiants : 11/17/2019 9:07 pm : link
Type?
RE: I thought I heard Andrew Thomas was a stud LT  
Giantz_comeback : 11/17/2019 9:11 pm : link
In comment 14682041 twostepgiants said:
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Type?


Has that ceiling for sure but no longer see him as a cant miss or near cant miss. Just too many technique things. Doesnt mean the ceiling isn't high it is. Just think the risk is much much lower with JJ or CY.
RE: Jeudy is a terrific WR...  
santacruzom : 11/17/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14681755 bw in dc said:
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but with the amount of WR quality in this draft, I think it would be a mistake to take a WR early.


Wouldn't it be vintage Gettleman to do so though?
RE: I thought I heard Andrew Thomas was a stud LT  
bw in dc : 11/17/2019 10:18 pm : link
In comment 14682041 twostepgiants said:
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Type?


He's got stud size but far from stud technique. Reaches too much and doesn't bend real well. There are probably 4-5 other LTs that are just better overall prospects in my view...



RE: Regarding left tackle  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/17/2019 11:23 pm : link
In comment 14681925 Sy'56 said:
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The best hope may have to be that either Trent Williams, Joe Staley, or Jason Peters becomes available and then there is the risk that all three have been banged up recently


I guess I just like Wirfs more than you do.
This team  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/18/2019 12:53 am : link
Needs sackers
So your saying there's no Robert Gallerys?  
jlukes : 11/18/2019 7:02 am : link
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Love Jeudy  
Jimmy Googs : 11/18/2019 7:30 am : link
and it’s the last thing this franchise should do...
Take chase  
Giantimistic : 11/18/2019 7:44 am : link
Then cluster draft oline.
When was the last time Giants drafted with the consensus?  
WideRight : 11/18/2019 7:53 am : link

Or traded down, if their desired selection is not as highly valued as they think?

The Giants are in such deep shit in part because they are not aggressive in their draft. They have never taken the a risk by trading down for extra players, and they pretty consistently select people ahead of their perceived position. Thats called squandering assets. That's fine when you a rich in talent, but the Giants........
I disagree in regards to Simmons,  
barens : 11/18/2019 8:37 am : link
he is 100 percent a blue chipper. Given all of the talent Clemson lost on defense this year, Simmons has been the main guy on that defense, and somehow, they are better than last year.
RE: RE: Regarding left tackle  
Giantz_comeback : 11/18/2019 9:07 am : link
In comment 14682085 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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In comment 14681925 Sy'56 said:


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The best hope may have to be that either Trent Williams, Joe Staley, or Jason Peters becomes available and then there is the risk that all three have been banged up recently



I guess I just like Wirfs more than you do.


Wirfs has tremendous upside and is a heck of an athlete at that size. At minimum hes a top RT. Can he play LT? That's a key question if you are drafting top 5.
My stance on the draft has started to change recently  
Mike in NJ : 11/18/2019 9:17 am : link
In the past, I was of the opinion that you just take the best player available regardless of position. An elite talent is an elite talent, and the more you have the better you will be. I am starting to think that for non-QBs, the only positions worth taking high in the draft are along the lines (including stand up edge rushers) and cornerbacks. The other positions seem to have either lesser impact or are easier to find in other rounds.

Jerry Jeudy I think is a good example that was brought up in this draft. Yeah the guy looks to be an unbelievable talent, but it seems like year after year most of the first round receivers disappoint and it's the guys taken in round 2 and 3 that end up being the impact players at better value. Here is a list of receivers that have gone in the first round of recent drafts: DJ Moore, Calvin Ridley, Corey Davis, John Ross, Corey Coleman, Will Fuller, Josh Doctson, Laquon Treadwell, Amari Cooper, Kevin White, DeVante Parker, Nelson Agholor, Breshad Perriman, Phillip Dorsett.

Besides Cooper, and maybe Fuller if he wasn't always injured, are you happy with any of those guys as your first round pick? It is still too early to tell on Moore and Ridley, but it's pretty safe to say the rest of them have not been worth their draft slot. In those same drafts, these are the guys that could have been had in the 2nd or 3rd round: Courtland Sutton, Christian Kirk, DJ Chark, Michael Gallup, Curtis Samuel, Juju Smith-Schuster, Cooper Kupp, Chris Godwin, Kenny Golladay, Sterling Shephard, Michael Thomas, Tyler Boyd, Tyler Lockett. That is a much more impressive group, and it isn't even close.

The last draft that there were multiple "stud" receivers taken in the first round was 2014 when Sammy Watkins (who's been a disappointment), Mike Evans, Odell Beckham, and Brandin Cooks went early. Even in that draft though Davante Adams, Allen Robinson, Jarvis Landry, and John Brown went in rounds 2 or 3. It just doesn't seem worth it to take a receiver in the first round, and especially not as high as we would have to take someone like Jeudy or Lamb.
No matter what the Giants do  
section125 : 11/18/2019 9:17 am : link
it will be wrong with 75% of BBI.

Moving on, they have to draft BPA, period. They have so many holes that almost any position can be improved. We'd all love OT, ER, ILB or FS early. Let's see if Julian Love gets in and is lot better than Bethea. Team speed needs to upgraded. I think they are set at interior DLine.

Listening to the games I heard many good OTs who were drafted in Rd 2 or 3. So you can build an effective OL outside of the 1st round.
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