Hello BBI, 1st time poster with a war and peace length dissertation to digest yet, I am hardly a newbie to this site. Been coming to BBI ten times a day for what must be 20 years now. This site has been and remains an integral part of my daily existence. I have always been content to just read the daily back and forth banter without being compelled to post myself. Given the state of neurosis consuming so many fellow Giant fans these days, I finally feel a strong urge to finally participate. So many on here are angry and disgruntled and I get that. Years of putrid football evokes an emotional beat down over time. From my perspective though, the anger and rathe of so many is fundamentally misguided and misplaced. Despite all the negative noise in both the media and on this site, the needle is positively pointing upward for our beloved Giants. Unfortunately, many are unable to recognize it yet because of the years of recurring loosing seasons that seem to flow and blur together. Though these loosing seasons seem to flow as one continuous body of work, that is simply not the case. There is a distinct demarcation line between management regimes and that will be a recurring theme here. In any sport, you can historically see when franchises have toiled and labored in mediocrity for years and where their fortunes began to rise again. Many times it was the result of regime change. My sole intention is to convince not all, but many and Eric with a thoughtfully conceived treatise that this franchise is positively in good hands and on the rise again. So who the hell am I? Just another old dude I guess with too much to say. For some perspective, I was at the 62 Championship game against the pack at Yankee stadium with my dad. Had a 4 seat front row box for the Giants till Metlife was built. Let my seats go because of the hundred K upfront cost. I had know way of knowing when the Giants lost the Championship to the Bears that following year in 63 that I would be in my thirties before my team would sniff the playoffs again. The best years of my youth are littered with the remnants of incompetent football. It took a league intervention to turn the franchise around. First thing big George did was draft Simms and it was not a popular choice. Two years later he grabbed LT, courtesy of the 2nd pick in the draft. Young is considered the best GM this franchise has ever had, yet it still took him 8 years to get to the Super Bowl. There were many ups and downs on the march towards the 1986 Championship team. Hell, Parcells was almost run out of town before he became the legend go the Big Tuna. The fact is, the prior 19 years of horrific football had no bearing on Young when he became GM. The distinct demarcation line for Young was 1979, not 1964. From that point on, the clock started ticking on his management and player personnel decisions. Even though those early loosing seasons under Young seemed to flow concurrently with the prior 19, that was not the case. The fortunes of the franchise from that point on were on the rise, it was just difficult to recognize under the circumstances of continued loosing. Likewise, the prior 7 years of loosing under Reece has nothing to do with Gettleman. Yes, Giant ownership has made mistakes, Mr. Mara is loyal to a fault. Yet, they stuck with Reece for a good reason. Two Super Bowls were won early in his tenure and that unfortunately earned him more slack than he ultimately deserved. From my perspective, Reece's tenure has parallel similarities to the Yankees GM Cashman. In 1998, Brian took over one of the greatest teams ever assembled and takes the credit for four championship wins in five years for a team essentially built by Gene Michael. He has just one Championship in the last 20 years since, but this is a topic for another day. So, go on line and google the 2006 Giant roster. 95% of the key personnel were already in place when Reece became GM. Yes, he had a very nice draft his first year in 2007 with great contributions from some of his choices. When you truly asses the situation though, Reece never built a great team here. Those two Bowl winning teams were pedestrian at best compiling 10-7 and 9-7 season records respectively. They barely made it into the dance. Yes, they got hot at the right time of the year leading to Championship runs, but no serious student of the game looks upon those teams as being great. Yet, those two Super Bowl victories created the illusion that Reece was a brilliant GM and player evaluator. Ironically, the 2008 team was the best under Reece. Defending Champs and the clear class of the league at 11-1 until it literally shot itself in the leg. I will get into the specifics of Reece's Draft record when we discuss the current regime. First, let's look at several other NFL rebuilds starting with everyone's flavor of the moment, the 49ers. The first two seasons under the triumvirate of Lynch, Shanahan and Saleh, the Niners were 6-10 and 4-12 ending with the second slot in the 2019 draft. With his first draft in 2019, Lynch selected Soloman Thomas #3 overall and Ruben Foster at #31. Foster now resides on the Redskins IR and Soloman has been a top of the draft bust. Now in his third season, he still can't crack the starting lineup and his play has been pedestrian at best. If that had taken place here, Lynch would be tar and feathered on this site. Last years 2018 Niner defense under Saleh set historical records for defensive futility. They accumulated just two interceptions while 40 players around the league had as many or more. The team had just seven takeaways for the entire season breaking the previous NFL worst of 11 total takeaways. How bad were the Niners last year? Hell, we gave them a beat down out in SF last year. So what suddenly turned it around, because so many here are under the delusion that it happened over night. How about six years of high octane draft resources into the front 7 sprinkled with a savvy trade and some key free agent additions and voila, you have a juggernaut. Eric Reid 13/1, Jimmy Ward 14/1, Arik Armstead 15/1 #17, Deforest Buckner 16/1 #7, Soloman Thomas 71/1 #3, and Nick Bosa 19/1 #2. Clearly a defensive foundation has been being laid in SF for years yet, Lynch did not draft most of those players, he inherited them. So what really tipped the scales and turned the worst defense into perhaps the league's best? Years of top pf the draft capital was put over the top by the Bosa pick at #2, the trade for Dee Ford and the free agent addition of Kwon Alexander. Add Richard Sherman last year and you now have defense stacked with talent. Juxtapose this against the draft capital Gettleman has had at his disposal to this point. Any comparison is frankly absurd. Bosa and Ford are the number one and two ranked edge rushers in the league and have transformed what was a seriously underperforming unit into a beast. I wonder what these two additions could do for our defense next year? Now Shanahan and Saleh are both the toast of BBI, brilliant coaches in their third seasons. I do not recall anyone clamoring for their services last year on this site. Let's take a look at the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. Jones took over the team in 1989, but I consider the rebuild starting with the selection of Michael Irvin the previous season with the 11th overall pick. Jones/Johnson subsequently drafted Aikman #1/1989, Emmit Smith #17/1990, Russel Maryland #1/1991 and Alvin Harper #12/1991. They also traded for Tony Casillas, the #2 overall pick in the 1986 draft. The Hershel Walker trade netted them unprecedented draft capital. In 1991, the Cowboys had 11 picks in the first 4 rounds consisting of 3 first rounders, 1 2nd, 3 third rounders and 4 4th rounders. They had 18 picks in total. Read those crazy numbers again. In 1992, they again had two first rounders and two second rounders. There has never been a franchise with insane draft capital like this, prior to or after. My point is that even with this over-the-top wealth of draft riches, it still took them 5 years to get to the Super Bowl. Aikman's first year 1989, the Cowboys finished 1-15. The future Hall of Fam-er threw just 9 TD's juxtaposed against 18 interceptions. He was knocked around that year like a rag doll. It's called growing pains and most of the great ones have gone through it. It's learning to play in a man's league, the baddest on the planet. Jones and Johnson put most of their high end resources into elite offensive skill players, QB, RB , and two WRS. The other was the center piece of the defensive line, Russel Maryland. Does any of this draft pattern look familiar here the last two years? So let's compare these rebuilds to the to the current Giant regime, a regime just one and a half years in. The indisputable reality is this is a regime in its infancy. Just as prior 19 years had nothing to do with Young, the Last 7 years under Reece have nothing to do with Gettleman. There is a distinct demarcation line for Gettleman and it is 2018. The simple fact is DG inherited a football roster bereft of talent caused by a draft record of futility maybe unmatched. Here is Reece's first round draft record: Aaron Ross 2007, Kenny Philips 2008, Hakeem Nicks 2009, JPP 2010, Prince 2011, David Wilson, Justin Pugh 2013, OBJ 2014, Flowers 2015, Apple 2016, and Ingram 2017. This resume of drafting is abysmal. It is hard to fathom that there is only one player from this list left on our team in Evan Ingram. Compare that with the 49er roster. Every 1st round pick for the past 7 years is still there and contribution in a big way, sans Thomas. And I did not even mention Mike McGlinchey, the 2018 1st rounder. JPP had one stellar season in 2011. He had 18 sacks and was a force in winning the Super Bowl that year. Kudos for that, but he never came close to that level of play again. Beckham is the real deal. Unfortunately, he is a me-first-media-hound head case and it was a brilliant move to jettison his butt out of here. Good riddance. It was worth it for big Dex alone. So here is my declaration BBI. I submit that Gettleman is in the early stages of constructing one of the best teams in franchise history, most just can see it occurring yet. I do not put forth this claim in an empty vacuum. Simply put, he has quickly acquired resources for this team the likes we have never possessed before. One, the Giants have never had a QB with the skill set of Daniel Jones. Not Phil, not Eli, not Charlie, not YA. Jone's possesses an intriguing package of accuracy, touch, poise, mobility, speed, toughness and intelligence. His rookie growing pains are for a separate post, we all know what hey are. I have watched hundreds of young QBs enter the league over the years. I know the goods when I see it and Jones has the goods. I think he will be a force in this league in two to three years leading this team for a very long time. Two, this team has never had a RB with the skill set of Barkley. Hell, the NFL has had few prospects with this kids measurables, both physical and intangible. Someone recently posted a video of Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith discussing this very subject. That video say's all you need to know. The fact so many on this site are giving up on this kid already is really quite disturbing. Three, this team has never had a nose tackle with the size and skill set of big Dex. Not Howard, Not Burt, Not Snacks. Nobody. Many seem to forget this dude should be in his senior year at Clemson. He is a man child learning in the toughest trenches of them all. Do you think this kid can get bigger and stronger? You bet your ass he can. He is 21 years old. It is freighting to think what he will be like after a couple of NFL off-season workout programs, especially for the guys lining up across from him. This is exactly how you start a total rebuild of a defense, with an athletic monster to control the center of the line. Four, we have never had 3 first round picks before. We had two once in 1984. That kind of draft capital fast tracks a rebuild in the right direction. Five, ever since Russel Wilson came into the league, the buzz has been about those envious teams with the young QB playing on a rookie contract freeing up large amounts of dollars to enrich the rest of the roster. The Rams/Goff, Atlanta/Ryan, Eagles/Wentz, Cowboys/Zac. All these teams have reached the Super Bowl except our beloved Cowboys. Well BBI, starting this up coming off-season, we are now that team and DG is the one who got us there. Each year you only get a limited number of premium draft assets to construct your team. The two highest were used on skilled offensive talent, QB and RB, just like the Jones/Johnson lead Cowboys. Our team has a storied defensive tradition and we all long for a competent D once again. Yet this is an offensive driven league now. The offensive side of the ball has all the advantages in todays NFL. This is not the 1980's Taylor era of football anymore. Yearly rule changes continue to stack the deck in favor of the offense. Build a juggernaut offense and you will succeed in this league. Either way, Gettleman has spread his initial assets quite evenly to both sides of the ball. Both sides needed a complete rebuild and that is a hell of a lot of bodies to replace in a short period of time. So, despite the bad quality of football we are presently enduring, these are exciting times. Key foundational pieces to this football team are now in place, now the job needs to be finished. This will be one of the most important off-seasons in our team's history. Embrace this rebuild, it should be something to enjoy. Finally, I want to give a shout out to Eric in Lieu of your "How to fix the Giants" post. You do not know me, but I feel like I know you somewhat. I have read hundreds of your posts over the years, seen pictures and video of you. If I bumped into you on the street I would recognize you. So I know you in that very limited sense. I have always thought of you as the rock on this site, not because you own it but by the way you conduct yourself and convey your thoughts. You are the person that can always be relied on for intelligent discourse and a measured response to a fellow poster. Most importantly, I have always looked to you as the one who knows most where this team is currently at and the things it really needs to help it improve. Which is why I find your post "How to fix the Giants" so bewildering. Like you, I also think the Giants have been a broken franchise. However, I think that broken period in our history came to end last year. I think you are missing the demarcation line of 2018 between regime change. I disagree with most of your conclusions. Gettleman weak and old? Picking on our GM's age is quite frankly an insult to the many older posters who reside on this site. Quite contrary, I find DG's battle over cancer a positive, not a negative. It is a testament to the man's grit and determination. He has an unwavering, firm and steadfast conviction. It takes balls of brass to stand up to the mob that is the media and fan base. The scrutiny and criticism he has endured has been nothing short of cruel and unwarranted. The man does it his way and I thank the heavens for that, other wise Barkley and Jones would be members of other NFL franchises. You spoke of his bad free agent acquisitions. Exactly what is your list of players he both should have and could have signed, and with what dollars. Do you really think the 35 year old Bethea was considered a long term solution? They were looking for bodies to plug the many holes with little cash to compete for the better players. The Solder signing was an imperative, we were desperate to replace Flowers and he was the only real option. You want to replace Shurmur. Fine, because I do not really know if he is the answer or not. What I do know is Parcells did not look so hot initially. Little Bill in Cleveland? Shanahan and Saleh were at the bottom of the heap last year with a roster far superior to ours. Boy wonder McVie not looking so hot this year. How many examples do we need? Simply put, I think a coach, any coach needs talented players to win and we just do not have enough yet. I also do not believe we are years and years away from competing. If implemented correctly, this team will be more than competitive with just two more off-seasons of player acquisitions. I think DG knows what he is doing and will complete the mission, apparently you do not. Where I do agree with you is the awful record of player acquisition that has occurred for so long. But let's place the blame where it solely belongs and there again lies that demarcation line. I previously stated the full list of Jerry Reece's first round draft picks. Let me finish this post with the rest of the Reece and that arrogant idiot Marc Ross's draft choices. Every single one. Clint Sintim, William Beatty, Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar, Deandre Wright, Stoney Woodson ,Rueben Randle, Jayron Hosley, Adrien Robinson, Brandon Mosley, Matt McCants, Markus Kuhn, Marvin Austin, Jerel Jernigan, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Damotre Moore, Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman Michael Cox, Philip Dillard, Adrian Tracy, Matt Dodge, Davis Webb, Avery Bisnowaty, Jay Bromley, Andre Williams, Nat Berhe, Bennet Jackson, Odighizuwa, Mykkele Thompson, Geremy Davis, Bobby Hart, Darien Thompson, B.J. Goodsen, Paul Perkins and Jerell Adams. Wow, when you see the list presented in front of you, it is really something to behold. Truth be told, a Monkey with a dart board would yield a better result. And people are bewildered why we are so bad right now. Eric, you you should start a game on here called "find a player on this list who is still in the NFL". This Abortion of draft choices has created a monumental hole for any GM to crawl out of. Thank God we have a pro to tackle the job. So in closing, I thank my lucky stars everyday that Mr. Gettleman is our GM. The rest of you should too. Thank you Mr. Gettleman.
However, please in the future make paragraph breaks. I don't care where just give some resting room for the eyeballs. It was tough reading even though it was good.
some BBIers wouldn't read what you wrote because of the lack of paragraphs.
That's my criticism and the word is lose and losing. Loose is for extra big jackets & stuff. But I got a C in English so it's not to admonish you but to sorta help you out.
My problem is their, they're, there. "Easy for you --difficult for me!" Señor Wenslos
Please edit so it is readable.
And just imo, I submit that there is no way to evaluate DG as either end of the spectrum yet ( Abject failure or very good GM).
Lastly, not mentioning the current HC and staff as compared to the long line of Giant coaches ( to me, he is in a race with RH but that's just me) makes it an incomplete given how much detail you gave behind your main thesis which is that we should evaluate in a reasonable performance cycle for the job.
Thanks
Though these loosing seasons seem to flow as one continuous body of work, that is simply not the case. There is a distinct demarcation line between management regimes and that will be a recurring theme here. In any sport, you can historically see when franchises have toiled and labored in mediocrity for years and where their fortunes began to rise again. Many times it was the result of regime change. My sole intention is to convince not all, but many and Eric with a thoughtfully conceived treatise that this franchise is positively in good hands and on the rise again.
So who the hell am I? Just another old dude I guess with too much to say. For some perspective, I was at the 62 Championship game against the pack at Yankee stadium with my dad. Had a 4 seat front row box for the Giants till Metlife was built. Let my seats go because of the hundred K upfront cost. I had know way of knowing when the Giants lost the Championship to the Bears that following year in 63 that I would be in my thirties before my team would sniff the playoffs again. The best years of my youth are littered with the remnants of incompetent football. It took a league intervention to turn the franchise around.
First thing big George did was draft Simms and it was not a popular choice. Two years later he grabbed LT, courtesy of the 2nd pick in the draft. Young is considered the best GM this franchise has ever had, yet it still took him 8 years to get to the Super Bowl. There were many ups and downs on the march towards the 1986 Championship team. Hell, Parcells was almost run out of town before he became the legend go the Big Tuna. The fact is, the prior 19 years of horrific football had no bearing on Young when he became GM. The distinct demarcation line for Young was 1979, not 1964. From that point on, the clock started ticking on his management and player personnel decisions. Even though those early loosing seasons under Young seemed to flow concurrently with the prior 19, that was not the case. The fortunes of the franchise from that point on were on the rise, it was just difficult to recognize under the circumstances of continued loosing. Likewise, the prior 7 years of loosing under Reece has nothing to do with Gettleman.
Yes, Giant ownership has made mistakes, Mr. Mara is loyal to a fault. Yet, they stuck with Reece for a good reason. Two Super Bowls were won early in his tenure and that unfortunately earned him more slack than he ultimately deserved. From my perspective, Reece's tenure has parallel similarities to the Yankees GM Cashman. In 1998, Brian took over one of the greatest teams ever assembled and takes the credit for four championship wins in five years for a team essentially built by Gene Michael. He has just one Championship in the last 20 years since, but this is a topic for another day. So, go on line and google the 2006 Giant roster. 95% of the key personnel were already in place when Reece became GM. Yes, he had a very nice draft his first year in 2007 with great contributions from some of his choices. When you truly asses the situation though, Reece never built a great team here. Those two Bowl winning teams were pedestrian at best compiling 10-7 and 9-7 season records respectively. They barely made it into the dance. Yes, they got hot at the right time of the year leading to Championship runs, but no serious student of the game looks upon those teams as being great. Yet, those two Super Bowl victories created the illusion that Reece was a brilliant GM and player evaluator. Ironically, the 2008 team was the best under Reece. Defending Champs and the clear class of the league at 11-1 until it literally shot itself in the leg.
I will get into the specifics of Reece's Draft record when we discuss the current regime. First, let's look at several other NFL rebuilds starting with everyone's flavor of the moment, the 49ers. The first two seasons under the triumvirate of Lynch, Shanahan and Saleh, the Niners were 6-10 and 4-12 ending with the second slot in the 2019 draft. With his first draft in 2019, Lynch selected Soloman Thomas #3 overall and Ruben Foster at #31. Foster now resides on the Redskins IR and Soloman has been a top of the draft bust. Now in his third season, he still can't crack the starting lineup and his play has been pedestrian at best. If that had taken place here, Lynch would be tar and feathered on this site. Last years 2018 Niner defense under Saleh set historical records for defensive futility. They accumulated just two interceptions while 40 players around the league had as many or more. The team had just seven takeaways for the entire season breaking the previous NFL worst of 11 total takeaways.
How bad were the Niners last year? Hell, we gave them a beat down out in SF last year. So what suddenly turned it around, because so many here are under the delusion that it happened over night. How about six years of high octane draft resources into the front 7 sprinkled with a savvy trade and some key free agent additions and voila, you have a juggernaut. Eric Reid 13/1, Jimmy Ward 14/1, Arik Armstead 15/1 #17, Deforest Buckner 16/1 #7, Soloman Thomas 71/1 #3, and Nick Bosa 19/1 #2. Clearly a defensive foundation has been being laid in SF for years yet, Lynch did not draft most of those players, he inherited them. So what really tipped the scales and turned the worst defense into perhaps the league's best? Years of top pf the draft capital was put over the top by the Bosa pick at #2, the trade for Dee Ford and the free agent addition of Kwon Alexander. Add Richard Sherman last year and you now have defense stacked with talent. Juxtapose this against the draft capital Gettleman has had at his disposal to this point. Any comparison is frankly absurd. Bosa and Ford are the number one and two ranked edge rushers in the league and have transformed what was a seriously underperforming unit into a beast. I wonder what these two additions could do for our defense next year? Now Shanahan and Saleh are both the toast of BBI, brilliant coaches in their third seasons. I do not recall anyone clamoring for their services last year on this site.
Let's take a look at the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson Cowboys. Jones took over the team in 1989, but I consider the rebuild starting with the selection of Michael Irvin the previous season with the 11th overall pick. Jones/Johnson subsequently drafted Aikman #1/1989, Emmit Smith #17/1990, Russel Maryland #1/1991 and Alvin Harper #12/1991. They also traded for Tony Casillas, the #2 overall pick in the 1986 draft. The Hershel Walker trade netted them unprecedented draft capital. In 1991, the Cowboys had 11 picks in the first 4 rounds consisting of 3 first rounders, 1 2nd, 3 third rounders and 4 4th rounders. They had 18 picks in total. Read those crazy numbers again. In 1992, they again had two first rounders and two second rounders. There has never been a franchise with insane draft capital like this, prior to or after. My point is that even with this over-the-top wealth of draft riches, it still took them 5 years to get to the Super Bowl. Aikman's first year 1989, the Cowboys finished 1-15. The future Hall of Fam-er threw just 9 TD's juxtaposed against 18 interceptions. He was knocked around that year like a rag doll. It's called growing pains and most of the great ones have gone through it. It's learning to play in a man's league, the baddest on the planet. Jones and Johnson put most of their high end resources into elite offensive skill players, QB, RB , and two WRS. The other was the center piece of the defensive line, Russel Maryland. Does any of this draft pattern look familiar here the last two years?
So let's compare these rebuilds to the to the current Giant regime, a regime just one and a half years in. The indisputable reality is this is a regime in its infancy. Just as prior 19 years had nothing to do with Young, the Last 7 years under Reece have nothing to do with Gettleman. There is a distinct demarcation line for Gettleman and it is 2018. The simple fact is DG inherited a football roster bereft of talent caused by a draft record of futility maybe unmatched. Here is Reece's first round draft record: Aaron Ross 2007, Kenny Philips 2008, Hakeem Nicks 2009, JPP 2010, Prince 2011, David Wilson, Justin Pugh 2013, OBJ 2014, Flowers 2015, Apple 2016, and Ingram 2017. This resume of drafting is abysmal. It is hard to fathom that there is only one player from this list left on our team in Evan Ingram. Compare that with the 49er roster. Every 1st round pick for the past 7 years is still there and contribution in a big way, sans Thomas. And I did not even mention Mike McGlinchey, the 2018 1st rounder. JPP had one stellar season in 2011. He had 18 sacks and was a force in winning the Super Bowl that year. Kudos for that, but he never came close to that level of play again. Beckham is the real deal. Unfortunately, he is a me-first-media-hound head case and it was a brilliant move to jettison his butt out of here. Good riddance. It was worth it for big Dex alone.
So here is my declaration BBI. I submit that Gettleman is in the early stages of constructing one of the best teams in franchise history, most just can see it occurring yet. I do not put forth this claim in an empty vacuum. Simply put, he has quickly acquired resources for this team the likes we have never possessed before.
One, the Giants have never had a QB with the skill set of Daniel Jones. Not Phil, not Eli, not Charlie, not YA. Jone's possesses an intriguing package of accuracy, touch, poise, mobility, speed, toughness and intelligence. His rookie growing pains are for a separate post, we all know what hey are. I have watched hundreds of young QBs enter the league over the years. I know the goods when I see it and Jones has the goods. I think he will be a force in this league in two to three years leading this team for a very long time.
Two, this team has never had a RB with the skill set of Barkley. Hell, the NFL has had few prospects with this kids measurables, both physical and intangible. Someone recently posted a video of Max Kellerman and Stephen A. Smith discussing this very subject. That video say's all you need to know. The fact so many on this site are giving up on this kid already is really quite disturbing.
Three, this team has never had a nose tackle with the size and skill set of big Dex. Not Howard, Not Burt, Not Snacks. Nobody. Many seem to forget this dude should be in his senior year at Clemson. He is a man child learning in the toughest trenches of them all. Do you think this kid can get bigger and stronger? You bet your ass he can. He is 21 years old. It is freighting to think what he will be like after a couple of NFL off-season workout programs, especially for the guys lining up across from him. This is exactly how you start a total rebuild of a defense, with an athletic monster to control the center of the line.
Four, we have never had 3 first round picks before. We had two once in 1984. That kind of draft capital fast tracks a rebuild in the right direction.
Five, ever since Russel Wilson came into the league, the buzz has been about those envious teams with the young QB playing on a rookie contract freeing up large amounts of dollars to enrich the rest of the roster. The Rams/Goff, Atlanta/Ryan, Eagles/Wentz, Cowboys/Zac. All these teams have reached the Super Bowl except our beloved Cowboys. Well BBI, starting this up coming off-season, we are now that team and DG is the one who got us there. Each year you only get a limited number of premium draft assets to construct your team. The two highest were used on skilled offensive talent, QB and RB, just like the Jones/Johnson lead Cowboys.
Our team has a storied defensive tradition and we all long for a competent D once again. Yet this is an offensive driven league now. The offensive side of the ball has all the advantages in todays NFL. This is not the 1980's Taylor era of football anymore. Yearly rule changes continue to stack the deck in favor of the offense. Build a juggernaut offense and you will succeed in this league. Either way, Gettleman has spread his initial assets quite evenly to both sides of the ball. Both sides needed a complete rebuild and that is a hell of a lot of bodies to replace in a short period of time. So, despite the bad quality of football we are presently enduring, these are exciting times. Key foundational pieces to this football team are now in place, now the job needs to be finished. This will be one of the most important off-seasons in our team's history. Embrace this rebuild, it should be something to enjoy.
Finally, I want to give a shout out to Eric in Lieu of your "How to fix the Giants" post. You do not know me, but I feel like I know you somewhat. I have read hundreds of your posts over the years, seen pictures and video of you. If I bumped into you on the street I would recognize you. So I know you in that very limited sense. I have always thought of you as the rock on this site, not because you own it but by the way you conduct yourself and convey your thoughts. You are the person that can always be relied on for intelligent discourse and a measured response to a fellow poster. Most importantly, I have always looked to you as the one who knows most where this team is currently at and the things it really needs to help it improve. Which is why I find your post "How to fix the Giants" so bewildering. Like you, I also think the Giants have been a broken franchise. However, I think that broken period in our history came to end last year. I think you are missing the demarcation line of 2018 between regime change. I disagree with most of your conclusions. Gettleman weak and old? Picking on our GM's age is quite frankly an insult to the many older posters who reside on this site. Quite contrary, I find DG's battle over cancer a positive, not a negative. It is a testament to the man's grit and determination. He has an unwavering, firm and steadfast conviction. It takes balls of brass to stand up to the mob that is the media and fan base. The scrutiny and criticism he has endured has been nothing short of cruel and unwarranted. The man does it his way and I thank the heavens for that, other wise Barkley and Jones would be members of other NFL franchises.
You spoke of his bad free agent acquisitions. Exactly what is your list of players he both should have and could have signed, and with what dollars. Do you really think the 35 year old Bethea was considered a long term solution? They were looking for bodies to plug the many holes with little cash to compete for the better players. The Solder signing was an imperative, we were desperate to replace Flowers and he was the only real option. You want to replace Shurmur. Fine, because I do not really know if he is the answer or not. What I do know is Parcells did not look so hot initially. Little Bill in Cleveland? Shanahan and Saleh were at the bottom of the heap last year with a roster far superior to ours. Boy wonder McVie not looking so hot this year. How many examples do we need? Simply put, I think a coach, any coach needs talented players to win and we just do not have enough yet. I also do not believe we are years and years away from competing. If implemented correctly, this team will be more than competitive with just two more off-seasons of player acquisitions. I think DG knows what he is doing and will complete the mission, apparently you do not. Where I do agree with you is the awful record of player acquisition that has occurred for so long. But let's place the blame where it solely belongs and there again lies that demarcation line.
I previously stated the full list of Jerry Reece's first round draft picks. Let me finish this post with the rest of the Reece and that arrogant idiot Marc Ross's draft choices. Every single one. Clint Sintim, William Beatty, Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Andre Brown, Rhett Bomar, Deandre Wright, Stoney Woodson ,Rueben Randle, Jayron Hosley, Adrien Robinson, Brandon Mosley, Matt McCants, Markus Kuhn, Marvin Austin, Jerel Jernigan, James Brewer, Greg Jones, Damotre Moore, Ryan Nassib, Cooper Taylor, Eric Herman Michael Cox, Philip Dillard, Adrian Tracy, Matt Dodge, Davis Webb, Avery Bisnowaty, Jay Bromley, Andre Williams, Nat Berhe, Bennet Jackson, Odighizuwa, Mykkele Thompson, Geremy Davis, Bobby Hart, Darien Thompson, B.J. Goodsen, Paul Perkins and Jerell Adams. Wow, when you see the list presented in front of you, it is really something to behold. Truth be told, a Monkey with a dart board would yield a better result. And people are bewildered why we are so bad right now. Eric, you you should start a game on here called "find a player on this list who is still in the NFL". This Abortion of draft choices has created a monumental hole for any GM to crawl out of. Thank God we have a pro to tackle the job. So in closing, I thank my lucky stars everyday that Mr. Gettleman is our GM. The rest of you should too. Thank you Mr. Gettleman.
great one!!
dude. I do not partake in social media. This is my first post ever of any kind. There
is a note that says " you no longer need to put in you own line and paragraphs". I
wrongly assumed the program did it for you. At this point in time, I would have no
clue on how to repost it. I will certainly try to learn and do a better job goin
forward. Thanks for the positive feedback and comments and sorry for the
spelling errors. It was a long edit.
...I love your optimism.
I am definitely reminded (10702) that there have been several very strong performers for us who originally seemed like non-entities when the Giant were terrible, but once the entire team turned around, these players contributed mightily.
BTW... I go back to the Y.A. Tittle days, even a little earlier, and he had a tremendous skill set, and was very, very athletic. Could run, throw on the run and was a tremendous ball handler. He had a great arm, accuracy and could launch the ball from several angles. And no one sold the screen pass better than Y.A.
Translation: I need to see more games from Daniel Jones before anointing him the greatest Giants QB of all time!
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I think you overestimate us :)
Much of your post holds value. I do think we need to move on from this coach.
DG will at minimum build at least a tough team we can be proud of. I look forward to when our division counterparts fear us again. If Jones plans out as hoped we just have to win our division and hopefully he is gold in the playoffs.....after we have found a new coach of course.
His fumbling I see as a potential football or physical weakness. I don't see the impossible throws that Eli made his rookie year.
Dexter Lawrence doesn't seem to have the same impact that Troy Archer displayed as a rookie.
Hopefully they will be as good or better.
Murmer and most of his staff has to go.
But a good one, I feel similar in a lot of ways. I’m fine with what Gettleman has done for the most part, not every move has worked out but I see what he is doing and has laid a decent foundation.
I’ve already given up on these coaches though, maybe it’s too soon but I don’t feel like Shurmur has ‘it’ as a coach. The things he does well he isn’t consistent with.
Well researched and cogent; this should be a classic BBI opinion piece.
It is possible you are going to get beat up for your optimism, but what true fan doesn't err on the positive side - and you dared to use facts to bolster your case.
Thank you Banks for the editing chore.
And "giant power" I sympathize with your computer skills (or lack there of). 50 years ago I was considered a computer wiz because I was able to use Fortran IV to simplify and inform a lot of manufacturing decisions; today I have to ask my grandson to help program my iPhone. :)
It is clear this was not an impulsive, off the top of your head post. I look forward to hearing your considered opinions in the future.
This offseason is big for Gettleman as he has enough cap space to make a couple big signings and a couple small to mid tier ones too. I’m already baking on Williams being resigned but I see needs at OT, and spots at LB, ER, S that need desperate impact talent reinforcement. Some depth or options at blocking TE, another WR won’t hurt either especially if Shepard is questionable.
Bill Parcells was an unproven commodity when he was elevated to the head coaching spot after Ray Perkins left for Alabama. Parcells deserved a chance.
Bill Belichick was also in his first head coaching stint with the Browns. He deserved a chance.
Pat Shurmur had a losing record as a head coach when he got here and continues to display head-scratching incompetence.
Pat Shurmur is clearly not the answer.
Until this team gets a head coach who doesn't have his head up his ass, a competent OL, competent linebackers and DBs who can be in the right place at the right time, I'll hang in there like I did in the 60s and 70s.
Two years? Anything's possible, but I don't see it.
Welcome aboard!
Guy's been a fan for years. He's seen it all.
Gettleman's the answer. Shurmur may be, as well.
Hang in there. It's get better.
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That or Long Cat's