You can’t go five feet without hearing this. Carson Wentz plays with a competent offensive line, has the best tight end in football etc etc
Daniel Jones is a rookie and basically plays with missing weapons every week ranging from Barkley to Shepard to Engram etc etc and all we hear about is his struggles. This game is hard when you don’t have your guys. It is just funny to me that Carson Wentz always gets a pass and our rookie who shows geat promise while living with these conditions every week and bad OL already doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt.
Sorry for the rant , but listening to the broadcast yesterday was making me sick
Not really, they talk about fumbling. Here is a rookie throwing 9 Tds and 1 Int over last three games with his Wr1 out, his TE out one of the games, his OL in shambles but all I hear about is his fumbling. Yesterday, Wentz was missing receivers left and right and I all I heard about was how he was missing receivers.
"didn't look good" is being nice. It was crunch time and he blew it, big time.
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Doesn’t bother me. But I have missed more Giants games than I’d like to (mostly because I’m out of market). Have the guys calling the games been overly critical of Jones? Do they not talk about the missing pieces on the Giants?
Not really, they talk about fumbling. Here is a rookie throwing 9 Tds and 1 Int over last three games with his Wr1 out, his TE out one of the games, his OL in shambles but all I hear about is his fumbling. Yesterday, Wentz was missing receivers left and right and I all I heard about was how he was missing receivers.
When you lead the league in TOs you're going to hear about it, doesn't mean he isn't good, just needs to fix that big time!
It it just me or does Ertz seem to be being pushed to the back the background by the other TE? I've seen him on the sideline more than usual, and also the plays seem to not be going to him in the same volume.
Is he up for free agency?
Jones played with Jon Hilliman, Rhett Ellison and Cody Latimer.
He missed some throws, but to say he played poorly is just false.
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Doesn’t bother me. But I have missed more Giants games than I’d like to (mostly because I’m out of market). Have the guys calling the games been overly critical of Jones? Do they not talk about the missing pieces on the Giants?
Not really, they talk about fumbling. Here is a rookie throwing 9 Tds and 1 Int over last three games with his Wr1 out, his TE out one of the games, his OL in shambles but all I hear about is his fumbling. Yesterday, Wentz was missing receivers left and right and I all I heard about was how he was missing receivers.
And we will continue to hear about it until he fixes the issue. Fumbles are turnovers just like INT's, and he leads the league in that category. You cant NOT talk about it. Fumbles are a huge black mark on what has otherwise been a very successful rookie season. He has to fix it.
and the fumbles are a direct result of his shitty pocket awareness.
let's hope both improve over these last six games.
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Doesn’t bother me. But I have missed more Giants games than I’d like to (mostly because I’m out of market). Have the guys calling the games been overly critical of Jones? Do they not talk about the missing pieces on the Giants?
Not really, they talk about fumbling. Here is a rookie throwing 9 Tds and 1 Int over last three games with his Wr1 out, his TE out one of the games, his OL in shambles but all I hear about is his fumbling. Yesterday, Wentz was missing receivers left and right and I all I heard about was how he was missing receivers.
And we will continue to hear about it until he fixes the issue. Fumbles are turnovers just like INT's, and he leads the league in that category. You cant NOT talk about it. Fumbles are a huge black mark on what has otherwise been a very successful rookie season. He has to fix it.
Speaking of Wentz, he fumbled the ball 14 times as a rookie, how often did we hear about it? Wentz fumbled again yesterday at least once (maybe twice) when he was getting hit. Does Jones need to improve on that? Yes, of course he does; does his pocket presence need work? Yes, it does. But he also plays behind a bad offensive line, something Wentz has never done and somehow he fumbled a lot as well in the beginning.
He missed some throws, but to say he played poorly is just false.
Looked to me, that he missed two very makeable throws on the last drive before the fourth down.
Wentz has this monkey on his back that he really can't pull the game out at the end right now.
Think last time he did it was the Giants, back in 2017 and that required a 60+ yard field goal.
Speaking of Wentz, he fumbled the ball 14 times as a rookie, how often did we hear about it? Wentz fumbled again yesterday at least once (maybe twice) when he was getting hit. Does Jones need to improve on that? Yes, of course he does; does his pocket presence need work? Yes, it does. But he also plays behind a bad offensive line, something Wentz has never done and somehow he fumbled a lot as well in the beginning.
jones has fumbled the ball 13 times in nine games. there are six games to go. so, he is on pace to eclipse wentz's 14 fumbles his rookie year. i am not a wentz fan at all, but his rookie year was nowhere near as bad as jones' has been so far in terms of fumbling.
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Speaking of Wentz, he fumbled the ball 14 times as a rookie, how often did we hear about it? Wentz fumbled again yesterday at least once (maybe twice) when he was getting hit. Does Jones need to improve on that? Yes, of course he does; does his pocket presence need work? Yes, it does. But he also plays behind a bad offensive line, something Wentz has never done and somehow he fumbled a lot as well in the beginning.
jones has fumbled the ball 13 times in nine games. there are six games to go. so, he is on pace to eclipse wentz's 14 fumbles his rookie year. i am not a wentz fan at all, but his rookie year was nowhere near as bad as jones' has been so far in terms of fumbling.
Of course, Jones has been sacked 32 times in 9 games and Wentz was sacked 25 times in 16 games. Not to mention, he's been hit while throwing 42 times. I don't have Wentz's rookie numbers there but considering the past two years (21 games total) he's been hit only 51x I'm going to guess that he wasn't under constant pressure the way Jones has.
Onto the subject of the thread, Wentz gets excuses made for him by the media because he was the MVP until his injury two years ago and he's yet to play up to that level so people try and creative a narrative as to why that is. The truth is it's looking more and more like an anomaly than who he is as a player. I saw this on ESPN earlier today which backs up that notion:
My heart goes out to him. How can anyone play with just two all-pro's and a first round pick instead of three?
i don't like wentz, but i also don't think the media necessarily slobs his knob to an unusual degree, and for the most part, i have not seen jones receiving much media criticism at all for his fumbling, which is bad..
"He’s averaged 1.63 fumbles per start, a 23-fumble pace that would both break the rookie record of 21 (currently held by Tony Banks and Warren Moon) and tie the NFL single-season mark (held by Daunte Culpepper and former Giant Kerry Collins).
The 2019 No. 6 overall pick has buttressed his big efforts with a growing inability to protect the ball. He fumbled 10 times (TEN!) in a four-game stretch from Week 7 to Week 10. New York lost all four of those games, three by seven points or fewer. No team in the league has more fumbles than the Giants, either."
jones fumbling is alarmingly bad - ( New Window )
i don't like wentz, but i also don't think the media necessarily slobs his knob to an unusual degree, and for the most part, i have not seen jones receiving much media criticism at all for his fumbling, which is bad..
"He’s averaged 1.63 fumbles per start, a 23-fumble pace that would both break the rookie record of 21 (currently held by Tony Banks and Warren Moon) and tie the NFL single-season mark (held by Daunte Culpepper and former Giant Kerry Collins).
The 2019 No. 6 overall pick has buttressed his big efforts with a growing inability to protect the ball. He fumbled 10 times (TEN!) in a four-game stretch from Week 7 to Week 10. New York lost all four of those games, three by seven points or fewer. No team in the league has more fumbles than the Giants, either."
jones fumbling is alarmingly bad - ( New Window )
I think a big part of him holding onto the ball so long is his receivers have a hard time getting separation.
at what point can the player be held responsible?
does jones get an absolute pass because he is a rookie and things around him are not perfect? if that's your position fair enough, we can agree to disagree.
i see it as he has fumbled his way to three losses v the cardinals, lions, and jets. had he not coughed the ball up for defensive TDs each of those games the giants are likely sitting at 5-5 or 4-6.
i realize it's a team game but as of now he can be characterized as turnover prone and it has directly contributed to losses.