NFT: NFT: Yankees trade rumors from Dave TE

That guy is going to get so overpaid while pitching like the second coming of Eovaldi.

Please. We’d be set for years

But Clevinger certainly would.

There does seem to be a lot of smoke around Wheeler and the Yankees.

And I'll keep banging the drum for Lindor until that situation is resolved one way or another

I'm not particularly interested in Wheeler. I don't see the upside that I saw with a pre-trade Gerrit Cole.

than what we have been hearing, except the early signing of Cole. Cole probably wants to get settled and not be late to ST and screw up the season.

Despite Greg from LI's dislike of Wheeler, I have a feeling that is who the Yankees want. Much cheaper and with the new analytics folks hoping to turn him into Gerrit Cole part deux and that is a possibility.

That is an expensive price for Lindor, but what a great leadoff guy. Move DJLM to the 3 hole behind Judge and in front of Stanton, or leave DJ as leadoff and Lindor to 3 hole?

In comment 14682499 Greg from LI said:

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That guy is going to get so overpaid while pitching like the second coming of Eovaldi.

I'm not sure I understand your disdain for Wheeler, besides maybe tweaking Mets fans. He's better than Eovaldi. Coming off two very strong seasons and the underlying numbers mostly check out

On day 1 of free agency offer the mega deal and set the market to out price all but a few a teams. If Cole wants to sign quick I hope they reach out.

apparently has told teams Clevinger is 100% untouchable. Not a FA until after 2023. He's not going anywhere.

In comment 14682505 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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I'm not particularly interested in Wheeler. I don't see the upside that I saw with a pre-trade Gerrit Cole.

I was suprised by that too, but you look at it and he's turning 29 in December. He broke in later and he's arbitration eligible and will cost a pretty penny there. As he enters his 30s, his trade value starts to go down. It seems like the Indians are prioritizing trading guys a little earlier to re-stock their team and trim payroll. Hence the Lindor stuff.

In comment 14682506 section125 said:

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Despite Greg from LI's dislike of Wheeler, I have a feeling that is who the Yankees want. Much cheaper and with the new analytics folks hoping to turn him into Gerrit Cole part deux and that is a possibility.

Aside from the fact the Yankees have little to no recent history of elevating pitchers from their previous form, all of Wheeler's numbers are inferior to Cole's pre-trade with the slight exception of strikeouts. They can sign Wheeler, but if they're expecting him to be better than a number three starter, I think they're fooling themselves.

middle infield would be awesome to watch.

said the Indians want Frazier back. So any deal that could involve the Indians will include him.

In comment 14682520 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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In comment 14682506 section125 said: Quote: Despite Greg from LI's dislike of Wheeler, I have a feeling that is who the Yankees want. Much cheaper and with the new analytics folks hoping to turn him into Gerrit Cole part deux and that is a possibility. Aside from the fact the Yankees have little to no recent history of elevating pitchers from their previous form, all of Wheeler's numbers are inferior to Cole's pre-trade with the slight exception of strikeouts. They can sign Wheeler, but if they're expecting him to be better than a number three starter, I think they're fooling themselves.

If they see his "stuff" is upgradeable, then I think they go for him. I haven't a clue. To me Wheeler is a big arm with little meaningful results(probably like you all). Admittedly, that Yanks are better at position player evals, but it is remarkable what they got from Urshela, Voit and Tauchman that other teams did not see.

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In comment 14682526 Dnew15 said:

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middle infield would be awesome to watch.

Both are certainly on the Hall of Fame track. They could be a historic duo.

switch from Larry to Blake is very telling when you read the details on Blakes resume. Blake will try to emulate what he did in Clevland and develop and manage the talented young arms, which NYY has plenty of.

I don't see a big spend in FA for a top guy, including a Wheeler type.

In comment 14682548 JPinstripes said:

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switch from Larry to Blake is very telling when you read the details on Blakes resume. Blake will try to emulate what he did in Clevland and develop and manage the talented young arms, which NYY has plenty of. I don't see a big spend in FA for a top guy, including a Wheeler type.

I agree. I think they will stay the course, add another #3, another BP arm, and will make a big play for Lindor.

He was excellent this year when he was actually able to play. He’s the kind of top of the rotation tough minded kind of guy this team really needs to get over the hump. He’ll be 29 entering next season so while not at the ideal age, still should have plenty left in the tank to warrant what would certainly take emptying the farm system to obtain him. At this point, I’m ready to go all out to try to win a championship, future ramifications be damned. Trade all those guys for a legit WS contender.

i'm on board. It feels like absent injury, next year has to be our year.

I can see the Yankees offering him 7 x 38.5 million with an option for an 8th year with a buyout. That will make him the highest paid pitcher in baseball, but I don't think it will be enough. Someone is going to offer him a 10 year deal and Cashman isn't going to go there. We need to be able to develop our own starting pitching the way Houston has. This is something this organization hasn't been able to do for decades and hopefully something Matt Blake can address. Wheeler makes sense. He isn't an ace but he can provide innings. Given the state of baseball, I not sure the Yankees can buy an ace unless someone really wants to come here.

Strasburg is one of the rare athletes these days who has made the city he plays in his home. He and his family seem settled in DC. He's a quiet guy too so I cannot see him in NY. Obviously winning the WS was huge but DC remains a strange baseball city in that quiet guys like Strasburg and Rendon can get paid, win and not have to deal with a lot of other stuff. Rendon has said more than once that he almost never gets recognized around DC. That said, I think Rendon leaves and the Nats give Strasburg that money to stay. I have heard a couple NY reporters talking about Strasburg to the Yankees (I am a Yankees fan) but it makes no sense when you consider the non-baseball stuff.

Strasburg is one of the rare athletes these days who has made the city he plays in his home. He and his family seem settled in DC. He's a quiet guy too so I cannot see him in NY. Obviously winning the WS was huge but DC remains a strange baseball city in that quiet guys like Strasburg and Rendon can get paid, win and not have to deal with a lot of other stuff. Rendon has said more than once that he almost never gets recognized around DC. That said, I think Rendon leaves and the Nats give Strasburg that money to stay. I have heard a couple NY reporters talking about Strasburg to the Yankees (I am a Yankees fan) but it makes no sense when you consider the non-baseball stuff.

but someone else can offer him "stupid money" that we can't and shouldn't match. He is THAT good, with a trajectory that probably has more in common with Scherzer than with any other pitcher at FA in terms of innings, velocity, coming together at the right time, etc etc. But it's awful tough to put 20-25% of the luxury tax into a single guy, especially with the possibility of an arm injury. Yes they can probably go over once (and this might be the year to do it) but their amateur talent acquisition will suffer if they're over that second threshold year in and year out.

I can see Strasburg leaving DC and returning back to San Diego

Wheeler is a guy who is a special darling of the FIP absolutists. I see a guy who has one dominant half in the second half of last year, and other than that has been maybe slightly above league average.

Andujar, Deivi, and Oswald Peraza gets Lindor. Suffice it to say I don't.

In comment 14682529 Matt in SGS said:

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said the Indians want Frazier back. So any deal that could involve the Indians will include him.

I’ll drive him myself

Cleveland media is not going to tear him to shreds the way NY's did (not that he did himself any favors), and he could grow into that role with a 350-400 AB season.

If anything from this offseason, i'd like to see Cole in pinestripes

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The Yankees would be crazy pass on that deal.

In comment 14682856 arniefez said:

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The Yankees would be crazy pass on that deal.

Yeah I don't really think Lindor would be the best use of trade chips, but for that package plus Frazier abso bleeping lutely.

In comment 14682766 Dunedin81 said:

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Andujar, Deivi, and Oswald Peraza gets Lindor. Suffice it to say I don't.

Haha, yeah I don't either but sign me the fuck up for that.

In comment 14682868 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 14682766 Dunedin81 said: Quote: Andujar, Deivi, and Oswald Peraza gets Lindor. Suffice it to say I don't. Haha, yeah I don't either but sign me the fuck up for that.

Probably Frazier too.

In comment 14682867 Dunedin81 said:

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In comment 14682856 arniefez said: Quote: The Yankees would be crazy pass on that deal. Yeah I don't really think Lindor would be the best use of trade chips, but for that package plus Frazier abso bleeping lutely.

Lindor would be a great help to the lineup and defense. Have no problem using assets for him especially if we use our strongest asset(money) for cole or strasburg

and Cole is the dream.

It's not going to happen. If they bust through the second tier, the likelihood is they're going to endeavor to get below it ASAP, probably next offseason. They're not going to set themselves up to have to pay Lindor and Cole along with everyone else.

and there was more news from Dave TE

Yankee related:

- In addition to Lindor and Clevinger, the Yankees are asking the Indians about Shane Bieber, trying to get one of those guys for the package above.

- Yankees have a fallback with Arizona for one of their outfielders for Robbie Ray, who has been a target forever for Cashman

- Yankees see Garcia as a guy similar to Sheffield in that he got exposed a little in AAA, and he will be a reliever more than a starter and they want to move him while he's hot. Dave says that Florial is super overrated at this point

- In a very interesting comment, the Cubs are shopping everyone right now. And there have been discussions of Ellsbury for Yu Darvish. It would be a swap of bad contracts, with the Cubs eating money as well as Ellsbury is off the books after this year.

In Mets/Yankees: When Brodie said that there will be no more personal catchers, that was a shot at Thor. He is hearing that Thor will be traded by the deadline, but if a team comes with a package in the Winter, the Mets could deal him in December. Yankees will come knocking since they tried to get Thor and/or Wheeler last July.

In Mets news- Mets are in on Jackie Bradley Jr. as the Red Sox need to cut back on salary.

In other team info

- Josh Donaldson looking to get paid and could end up in LA with the Dodgers
- Cole might have considered San Francisco, but when they got Kapler he won't go there
- Phillies are in on Cole and Strasburg, but probably won't land either. Will go after MadBum, who could end up in Philly or with the Braves
- Kris Bryant from the Cubs is available for a #2 pitcher, but as said above in the Darvish thing, the entire roster is up for discussion in a trade.
- When the Pirates finally get around to hiring a GM and manager, Starling Marte will be available for teams looking for a CF.

and last tidbit, Jasson Dominguez is the best prospect MLB has seen in over 10 years and he will be in the Bronx in 3 years, similar to Ken Griffey Jr. coming up as a teenager and starting in CF.

Darvish would at least contribute something.

In comment 14683436 Greg from LI said:

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Darvish would at least contribute something.

just to be clear, Greg, this means you're taking on 4 years and $81M of Yu.

versus 1 year and ~$27M (including buyout) on Ells.

In comment 14683434 Matt in SGS said:

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and last tidbit, Jasson Dominguez is the best prospect MLB has seen in over 10 years and he will be in the Bronx in 3 years, similar to Ken Griffey Jr. coming up as a teenager and starting in CF.

I just fainted

but I think Cash would rather bite the bullet this offseason rather than add another potential (maybe likely) bad contract that will run for a few more years.

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Jasson Dominguez is the best prospect MLB has seen in over 10 years and he will be in the Bronx in 3 years, similar to Ken Griffey Jr. coming up as a teenager and starting in CF.

Well that would be quite something if true.

In comment 14683434 Matt in SGS said:

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and last tidbit, Jasson Dominguez is the best prospect MLB has seen in over 10 years and he will be in the Bronx in 3 years, similar to Ken Griffey Jr. coming up as a teenager and starting in CF.

Um. Mike Trout is within the last 10 years so... no.

as a prospect, though. Did you see BA's evaluation? 60s and 70s across the board for a 16 year old. Those aren't projections, those are his ratings right now.

In comment 14683623 Greg from LI said:

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as a prospect, though. Did you see BA's evaluation? 60s and 70s across the board for a 16 year old. Those aren't projections, those are his ratings right now.

Greg,
Trout was the #2 prospect in baseball before coming up. Dominguez may end up being incredible but he's not currently viewed as the best prospect in 10 years c'mon. Heck, Harper was viewed as the next Mantle. Strasburg was viewed as a generational talent as a SP, Ohtani, Buxton was viewed as a phenom, Soto, Acuna. There have been some ridiculously highly regarded prospects over the past 10 years.

at 17 years old... .352/.419/.486. .918 OPS as an 18 year old with 47 extra base hits, 56 steals and 73 walks.

were the best in the last couple years (Soto had hype but not QUITE on that level). Trout and Harper before that. To be in that conversation would be incredible in its own right, Dominguez does not need to be more than that (hell, he doesn't even have to be that).