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Possibility of Trading Saquon

EliIsEliteX2 : 11/18/2019 11:58 am
What say BBI on the thought of trading Saquon this offseason? Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal? Would they be selling too low to trade him after his lackluster/injury plagued performance this year? What type of return do you think he could command?

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RE: You have to shop him...  
lax counsel : 11/18/2019 1:06 pm : link
In comment 14682615 bw in dc said:
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If you get the right freight in return, you have to give it a long, long look.

But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.



Agreed, I'd be surprised if you received a haul for Barkley. The league doesn't value RBs that way anymore. And he hasn't exactly been great this year either, to boot.
RE: They won’t do it  
x meadowlander : 11/18/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14682646 ron mexico said:
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On top of him being a good player and a good teammate he’s to marketable for them to get rid of
That was part of the situation with Walker too - he was an absolute class act.

My little cousin had Muscular Dystrophy back in the early 80's - he went to a NJ Generals event at Giants Stadium for MDA, but my uncle got him there late. Only one player waited for him after the event had ended - Herschel.
RE: RE: Never going to get fair value  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/18/2019 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said:


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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players



Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players

What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.

I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.
They aren't trading him.  
Brown Recluse : 11/18/2019 1:16 pm : link
They wouldn't even put Evan Engram on the block and he's a Jerry Reese holdover...you think Gettlemans #2 star draft pick is getting traded?

RE: RE: RE: Never going to get fair value  
Brown Recluse : 11/18/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14682676 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said:


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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players



Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players


What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.

I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.


His body will be fine. People are acting like Barkley will be broken in 2 years. The over-sensationalism with Barkley and his career length is ridiculous. Yes, he'll be expensive - but unless there's some catastrophic injury, he's going to be a great player for probably another 8 years.
I would rather trade Jones  
since1925 : 11/18/2019 1:21 pm : link
SB is headed to the HOF.
RE: I would rather trade Jones  
Go Terps : 11/18/2019 1:39 pm : link
In comment 14682692 since1925 said:
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SB is headed to the HOF.


Not at this rate.
If Gettlemen spends a number 2 pick, and then trades him after 2 years  
penkap75 : 11/18/2019 1:44 pm : link
He needs to be fired. Thats how bad teams stay bad.
We Didn't Draft Him to Trade Him  
Jim in Tampa : 11/18/2019 1:44 pm : link
Besides, you don't give up on talent!

-D.G.
RE: We Didn't Draft Him to Trade Him  
Brown Recluse : 11/18/2019 1:51 pm : link
In comment 14682737 Jim in Tampa said:
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Besides, you don't give up on talent!

-D.G.


Apples and oranges when you consider the players.
Any proposal that  
GoDeep13 : 11/18/2019 1:57 pm : link
Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.
RE: You have to shop him...  
Section331 : 11/18/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14682615 bw in dc said:
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If you get the right freight in return, you have to give it a long, long look.

But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.


And the deal was immediately panned when it happened. NFL teams aren't always that smart, but they wouldn't be this dumb.
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Go Terps : 11/18/2019 2:05 pm : link
No one is going to trade a first round pick for the right to pay Barkley $17M a year. I can't imagine there's a GM in the NFL that stupid.
i'd trade him for sure  
MM_in_NYC : 11/18/2019 2:08 pm : link
i'd want the spirit of joe montana, the thighs of eric dickerson, and the will of brett favre in return.
RE: Any proposal that  
bw in dc : 11/18/2019 2:12 pm : link
In comment 14682758 GoDeep13 said:
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Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.


If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away.

But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.
0.0  
arniefez : 11/18/2019 2:13 pm : link
chance of trading the #2 pick from 2018.
Would trade him in a second  
Metnut : 11/18/2019 2:26 pm : link
for a pro-bowl character left tackle that's 27 years old or younger. Much easier to find an RB than a stud OL.
RE: RE: RE: Never going to get fair value  
lax counsel : 11/18/2019 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14682676 Gatorade Dunk said:
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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players



Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players


What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.

I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.


Spot on and well said. The rebuild started with DJ (who I think will develop into a top qb), and hopefully continues this year with Young or the LT from Georgia. SB will be a nice compliment to the rebuild but was clearly the result of an organization trying to get one more run with Eli.
It wouldn’t be selling low, Terps  
KWALL2 : 11/18/2019 2:46 pm : link
Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley.

The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.

Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).
RE: It wouldn’t be selling low, Terps  
Go Terps : 11/18/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14682827 KWALL2 said:
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Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley.

The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.

Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).


That doesn't seem remotely realistic to me. I'd trade him for a single first round pick...the haul you're describing sounds like a pipe dream.
It is absolutely, 100% not a ridiculous suggestion  
Overseer : 11/18/2019 3:00 pm : link
and anyone who scoffs at it in a kneejerk manner, as if anyone or anything on this soon approaching a decade-long trainwreck of an NFL franchise should be untouchable, should truly stop and appreciate just how far the Giants are from even being a .500 team, let alone one that can compete for a Super Bowl trophy (or compete, even, with Dallas & Philly).

Quenton Nelson on the line would have the Giants further along than SB in the backfield.
RE: It wouldn’t be selling low, Terps  
bw in dc : 11/18/2019 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14682827 KWALL2 said:
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Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley.

The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.

Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).


I would do that trade is less than one second.

Unfortunately, no team in the NFL would spend a second considering 20% of that deal.

Reminder - Barkley is a RB, not a QB or DE.
RE: Herschel Walker Trade...  
Beezer : 11/18/2019 3:06 pm : link
In comment 14682571 x meadowlander said:
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I'd ONLY accept something along these lines for Barkley:

Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992


That still blows my mind.
NFL has adjusted to SB  
averagejoe : 11/18/2019 3:56 pm : link
Make him run between tackles and pass block and he is a below average RB despite his unique talents. Can't see Giants getting value back.
RE: RE: Any proposal that  
GoDeep13 : 11/18/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14682786 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14682758 GoDeep13 said:


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Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.



If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away.

But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.
Saquon isn’t your typical back. He’s a generational talent. With us he’s a demigod. With a line that can actually block he’d be the 2nd coming of Walter Payton.
“NFL adjusted your Barkley”  
KWALL2 : 11/18/2019 4:30 pm : link
That’s so far off.

They’ve adjusted to make him pass block?

To make him run between the tackles?

Wrong. And wrong.

The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.
If Barkley..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/18/2019 4:44 pm : link
can bring an absurd return, you have to think about a move, otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

The Hershel Walker/Ricky Williams type trades require one team to be colossally stupid.
Let's be honest, trading him will never be on the table  
Go Terps : 11/18/2019 4:48 pm : link
Gettleman isn't going anywhere, and he ain't trading the guy that was touched by the hand of God. Further, he's popular with the fans. They already caught a lot of shit for trading another popular player...I don't see Mara signing off on that again.

Barkley will get his contract here, and we'll have to cross our fingers that he's an exception to the rule that it's bad business to pay RBs.
RE: “NFL adjusted your Barkley”  
section125 : 11/18/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14682946 KWALL2 said:
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The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.


I don't know about that, Tate and Slayton look pretty damn good.

But until the offensive line gets fixed, nothing on offense will improve.
One obvious aspect of the numbers  
idiotsavant : 11/18/2019 4:59 pm : link
On trade downs or any move where one player gets you many :

The chance of your 'many' all getting serious career ending injury is exponentially lower than it would be for just the one having such an injury.

Some say value. But there are always a few game changers in those rounds 2-5 and lower. With more you just might raise the chance of randomly getting one.
Tate doesn't look "damn good"  
KWALL2 : 11/18/2019 5:18 pm : link
Hes an average guy and easy to handle.

Slayton is all we have.
RE: Possibility of trading Saquon  
Leg of Theismann : 11/18/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14682541 johnnyb said:
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is somewhere between zero and none. Saquon is someone you build around, not trade off. With Jones looking like a legit NFL QB, we have two of the three pieces. A play maker at WR would be ideal.

We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.


What would be ideal is a goddamn offensive line. DJ, Saquon, and a playmaker at WR would not be the 2nd coming of "the triplets" any time soon without an o-line as the anchor. We had a top 5 WR in OBJ and won a whopping 8 games in his last two years here.
We could probably get a lot of Jones too  
PatersonPlank : 11/18/2019 5:33 pm : link
Lets trade them both!
WTF  
OC2.0 : 11/18/2019 6:43 pm : link
Holy Christ. Why is this even being discussed? Some brains are MIA around here.
RE: RE: Possibility of trading Saquon  
Go Terps : 11/18/2019 6:49 pm : link
In comment 14682996 Leg of Theismann said:
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In comment 14682541 johnnyb said:


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is somewhere between zero and none. Saquon is someone you build around, not trade off. With Jones looking like a legit NFL QB, we have two of the three pieces. A play maker at WR would be ideal.

We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.



What would be ideal is a goddamn offensive line. DJ, Saquon, and a playmaker at WR would not be the 2nd coming of "the triplets" any time soon without an o-line as the anchor. We had a top 5 WR in OBJ and won a whopping 8 games in his last two years here.


Before getting the offensive line we need a coach that can actually use Barkley properly.
RE: WTF  
bw in dc : 11/18/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14683099 OC2.0 said:
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Holy Christ. Why is this even being discussed? Some brains are MIA around here.


It's being discussed because having Barkley on the team isn't changing the bottom line - wins.

So what's the point of having a great player at a position that doesn't move the needle for more wins?
So thankful  
SleepyOwl : 11/18/2019 7:07 pm : link
This is just fans talking and none of you have any say in what actually happens with this team. Especially those of you clamoring for this guy to be traded. Goodnight.
The Giants are approaching a decision point with Barkley  
Go Terps : 11/18/2019 7:10 pm : link
To sign or to trade?

I'd be surprised if they let him get to the last year of his deal without a contract. He has two years left on his contract after this season. I'd expect this will be a topic of discussion during next season.
Continued dysfunction of org  
micky : 11/18/2019 7:46 pm : link
And he could be the next Barry Sanders. Where rest of team flounders (ala Detroit Lions) and sputters, but Barkley puts up #'s and becomes a HoF'er
He’s the most exciting player they have and arguably the face of the  
Hsilwek92 : 11/18/2019 7:52 pm : link
franchise at the moment. He puts asses in seats and sells merchandise. If you think this front office is going to give that up and fully embrace a complete rebuild, then you haven’t been paying attention to how they’ve been functioning lately.
What if they traded him?  
giantstock : 11/19/2019 1:13 am : link
The OP asked several questions-- not just the 1st question.

What IF IF IF you traded him - could you get a very good deal for him and make the team better or is that impossible? I was against even thinking about it to start the year when a poster submitted the same type of question. Like many G-MEN fans I thought this year would be a "measuring stick" and they need Barkley to see how he worked out if DJones showed some promise (which he has).

But for those of you that have closed your minds completely to the idea (the chance is remote at best) which is fine but his 2nd question remains-- "Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal?"

He asked a simple question. I see some posters on here ignored it and just blasted the OP for asking. It's a fair question imo.

As for the poster who thinks SB is a lock to be studly for 8 years - that's laughable. The 2nd year he already has been bothered by nagging injuries. Not saying he won't but to assume he is a near lock to be studly for the next 8 years is nuts.


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1--- What say BBI on the thought of trading Saquon this offseason?

2--- Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal?

3--- Would they be selling too low to trade him after his lackluster/injury plagued performance this year?

4---- What type of return do you think he could command?
RE: He’s the most exciting player they have and arguably the face of the  
bw in dc : 11/19/2019 1:44 am : link
In comment 14683168 Hsilwek92 said:
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franchise at the moment. He puts asses in seats and sells merchandise. If you think this front office is going to give that up and fully embrace a complete rebuild, then you haven’t been paying attention to how they’ve been functioning lately.


There is truth to your comments. Barkley’s entertainment value, when healthy, will help with attendance and merchandise.

OBJ also had great entertainment value. Awesome to watch. People came early just to watch his pregame act. But was he a catalyst for more wins? Seems like the team was able to be just as lousy whether he played or not.

Look, we all know the likelihood of trading SB is very low. I believe DG is very protective of that pick. And that may actually cloud his judgement if someone actually does come along with interest in trading for SB. I could see DG leaving a very good deal on the table because he overvalues SB’s impact...
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Bill2 : 11/19/2019 2:31 am : link
I see the Giants coaches running him between the tackles to open a playbook of greater width for later in the game (that doesn't open ) rather than pass to him more often.

Go Terps is right in this case. Demonstrate he is a passing and running threat and then listen to offers after next year.

Very risky second contract under any circumstances and a downright poor second contract unless the team radically improves the OL and figures out how to weaponize a weapon
NFL is a passing league  
mdc1 : 11/19/2019 9:30 am : link
SB is a talent, but you can see the problems with using him enough. You simply do not run backs 30 times a game anymore unless you are playing our defense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Never going to get fair value  
gmenatlarge : 11/19/2019 1:08 pm : link
In comment 14682687 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 14682676 Gatorade Dunk said:


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In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said:


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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players



Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players


What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.

I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.



His body will be fine. People are acting like Barkley will be broken in 2 years. The over-sensationalism with Barkley and his career length is ridiculous. Yes, he'll be expensive - but unless there's some catastrophic injury, he's going to be a great player for probably another 8 years.


After what has happened this year I don't know how with any certainty you can say his body will be fine. He missed what 4 games and hasn't looked the same after a simple ankle injury, who knows what else could happen.
RE: .  
Hsilwek92 : 11/19/2019 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14682775 Go Terps said:
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No one is going to trade a first round pick for the right to pay Barkley $17M a year. I can't imagine there's a GM in the NFL that stupid.


John Dorsey?
RE: It wouldn’t be selling low, Terps  
santacruzom : 11/19/2019 11:14 pm : link
In comment 14682827 KWALL2 said:
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Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley.

The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.

Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).


3 number 1s plus Hardman?!? The Chiefs would have to be run by Gettleman's intellectually stunted twin for them to accept that.
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christian : 11/19/2019 11:25 pm : link
When Barkley's camp is talking extension this time next year, I assume sentiment will be different.

Gurley and Elliot got paid after year three. No reason to think Barkley won't want his.
No, no, no  
Hsilwek92 : 11/19/2019 11:28 pm : link
It’s

Three 1st round picks
Chris Jones
Hardman
AND a 3rd round pick for Leonard Williams

Must be some goooooood weed.
RE: RE: .  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/20/2019 7:45 am : link
In comment 14684238 Hsilwek92 said:
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In comment 14682775 Go Terps said:


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No one is going to trade a first round pick for the right to pay Barkley $17M a year. I can't imagine there's a GM in the NFL that stupid.



John Dorsey?

In fairness, Dorsey did get his bff to cover the signing bonus for him.
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