What say BBI on the thought of trading Saquon this offseason? Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal? Would they be selling too low to trade him after his lackluster/injury plagued performance this year? What type of return do you think he could command?
This cannot just be an endless carousel of ridding talent for picks, ridding talent again for picks.
With the right offensive line, this guy is next level lethal, both running and catching passes.
He stays. Continue to address weaknesses in draft and via FA.
we don't have the foundation around him to really make him successful. Look at Zeke in Dallas? they drafted him when they already had the Oline.
We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.
Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players
damn Mara!
Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992
But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.
I don't agree with you often, but this is the correct answer.
Ask Herschel Walker, or Barry Sanders, or OJ Simpson
Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992
put the pipe down. it's bad for your health and well-being..
But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.
Agreed, I'd be surprised if you received a haul for Barkley. The league doesn't value RBs that way anymore. And he hasn't exactly been great this year either, to boot.
My little cousin had Muscular Dystrophy back in the early 80's - he went to a NJ Generals event at Giants Stadium for MDA, but my uncle got him there late. Only one player waited for him after the event had ended - Herschel.
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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players
Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players
What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.
I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.
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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players
Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players
What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.
I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.
His body will be fine. People are acting like Barkley will be broken in 2 years. The over-sensationalism with Barkley and his career length is ridiculous. Yes, he'll be expensive - but unless there's some catastrophic injury, he's going to be a great player for probably another 8 years.
Not at this rate.
-D.G.
-D.G.
Apples and oranges when you consider the players.
But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.
And the deal was immediately panned when it happened. NFL teams aren't always that smart, but they wouldn't be this dumb.
If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away.
But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.
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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players
Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players
What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.
I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.
Spot on and well said. The rebuild started with DJ (who I think will develop into a top qb), and hopefully continues this year with Young or the LT from Georgia. SB will be a nice compliment to the rebuild but was clearly the result of an organization trying to get one more run with Eli.
The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.
Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).
The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.
Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).
That doesn't seem remotely realistic to me. I'd trade him for a single first round pick...the haul you're describing sounds like a pipe dream.
Quenton Nelson on the line would have the Giants further along than SB in the backfield.
The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.
Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).
I would do that trade is less than one second.
Unfortunately, no team in the NFL would spend a second considering 20% of that deal.
Reminder - Barkley is a RB, not a QB or DE.
Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992
That still blows my mind.
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Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.
If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away.
But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.
They’ve adjusted to make him pass block?
To make him run between the tackles?
Wrong. And wrong.
The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.
The Hershel Walker/Ricky Williams type trades require one team to be colossally stupid.
Barkley will get his contract here, and we'll have to cross our fingers that he's an exception to the rule that it's bad business to pay RBs.
The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.
I don't know about that, Tate and Slayton look pretty damn good.
But until the offensive line gets fixed, nothing on offense will improve.
The chance of your 'many' all getting serious career ending injury is exponentially lower than it would be for just the one having such an injury.
Some say value. But there are always a few game changers in those rounds 2-5 and lower. With more you just might raise the chance of randomly getting one.
Slayton is all we have.
We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.
What would be ideal is a goddamn offensive line. DJ, Saquon, and a playmaker at WR would not be the 2nd coming of "the triplets" any time soon without an o-line as the anchor. We had a top 5 WR in OBJ and won a whopping 8 games in his last two years here.
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is somewhere between zero and none. Saquon is someone you build around, not trade off. With Jones looking like a legit NFL QB, we have two of the three pieces. A play maker at WR would be ideal.
We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.
What would be ideal is a goddamn offensive line. DJ, Saquon, and a playmaker at WR would not be the 2nd coming of "the triplets" any time soon without an o-line as the anchor. We had a top 5 WR in OBJ and won a whopping 8 games in his last two years here.
Before getting the offensive line we need a coach that can actually use Barkley properly.
It's being discussed because having Barkley on the team isn't changing the bottom line - wins.
So what's the point of having a great player at a position that doesn't move the needle for more wins?
I'd be surprised if they let him get to the last year of his deal without a contract. He has two years left on his contract after this season. I'd expect this will be a topic of discussion during next season.
What IF IF IF you traded him - could you get a very good deal for him and make the team better or is that impossible? I was against even thinking about it to start the year when a poster submitted the same type of question. Like many G-MEN fans I thought this year would be a "measuring stick" and they need Barkley to see how he worked out if DJones showed some promise (which he has).
But for those of you that have closed your minds completely to the idea (the chance is remote at best) which is fine but his 2nd question remains-- "Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal?"
He asked a simple question. I see some posters on here ignored it and just blasted the OP for asking. It's a fair question imo.
As for the poster who thinks SB is a lock to be studly for 8 years - that's laughable. The 2nd year he already has been bothered by nagging injuries. Not saying he won't but to assume he is a near lock to be studly for the next 8 years is nuts.
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1--- What say BBI on the thought of trading Saquon this offseason?
2--- Do you think the team is going to be competitive during his rookie deal?
3--- Would they be selling too low to trade him after his lackluster/injury plagued performance this year?
4---- What type of return do you think he could command?
There is truth to your comments. Barkley’s entertainment value, when healthy, will help with attendance and merchandise.
OBJ also had great entertainment value. Awesome to watch. People came early just to watch his pregame act. But was he a catalyst for more wins? Seems like the team was able to be just as lousy whether he played or not.
Look, we all know the likelihood of trading SB is very low. I believe DG is very protective of that pick. And that may actually cloud his judgement if someone actually does come along with interest in trading for SB. I could see DG leaving a very good deal on the table because he overvalues SB’s impact...
Go Terps is right in this case. Demonstrate he is a passing and running threat and then listen to offers after next year.
Very risky second contract under any circumstances and a downright poor second contract unless the team radically improves the OL and figures out how to weaponize a weapon
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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players
Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players
What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.
I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.
His body will be fine. People are acting like Barkley will be broken in 2 years. The over-sensationalism with Barkley and his career length is ridiculous. Yes, he'll be expensive - but unless there's some catastrophic injury, he's going to be a great player for probably another 8 years.
After what has happened this year I don't know how with any certainty you can say his body will be fine. He missed what 4 games and hasn't looked the same after a simple ankle injury, who knows what else could happen.
John Dorsey?
The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.
Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).
3 number 1s plus Hardman?!? The Chiefs would have to be run by Gettleman's intellectually stunted twin for them to accept that.
Gurley and Elliot got paid after year three. No reason to think Barkley won't want his.
Three 1st round picks
Chris Jones
Hardman
AND a 3rd round pick for Leonard Williams
Must be some goooooood weed.
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No one is going to trade a first round pick for the right to pay Barkley $17M a year. I can't imagine there's a GM in the NFL that stupid.
John Dorsey?
In fairness, Dorsey did get his bff to cover the signing bonus for him.