Possibility of Trading Saquon

there's no way they are going to trade him in the second year of his rookie contract

Reason being, because as part of rebuilding, at some point you have to keep some talent.

This cannot just be an endless carousel of ridding talent for picks, ridding talent again for picks.

With the right offensive line, this guy is next level lethal, both running and catching passes.

He stays. Continue to address weaknesses in draft and via FA.

this back in september and got flamed.. I honestly think it makes more sense than not. We have so many holes, and by the time we have a coach/oline that can utilize him correctly hes going to be broken down.

we don't have the foundation around him to really make him successful. Look at Zeke in Dallas? they drafted him when they already had the Oline.

is somewhere between zero and none. Saquon is someone you build around, not trade off. With Jones looking like a legit NFL QB, we have two of the three pieces. A play maker at WR would be ideal.

We still have Saquon under team control for three years, including the 5th year option. I do not see the Giants trading him.

You don’t consider it until his rookie deal is at the end.

that drafting his was a mistake, and I don't think DG will do that. He'd never get near a top-10 pick for SB. Maybe a late 1st rounder.

And at some point the giants have to keep their good players

In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said:

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And at some point the giants have to keep their good players

Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players

have to come up?


damn Mara!

crack pipe.

I'd ONLY accept something along these lines for Barkley:

Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received:
LB Jesse Solomon
LB David Howard
CB Issiac Holt
DE Alex Stewart
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991
Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992
Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992

this has a 0% chance of happening. If he does get fired it has a 1% chance of happening.

Hope he has a big year next year, then do it.

You take it.

No Chance in hell. This is a young team. Lots of rookies playing. Patience. I do see this team competing during his rookie deal. BBI has no patience, and most people have no clue.

Why would a team a once in a generation talent?

If you get the right freight in return, you have to give it a long, long look.

But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.

In comment 14682576 Go Terps said:

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Hope he has a big year next year, then do it.

I don't agree with you often, but this is the correct answer.

In comment 14682607 SterlingArcher said:

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Why would a team a once in a generation talent?

Because once in a generation talents don't win on their own.

Ask Herschel Walker, or Barry Sanders, or OJ Simpson

On top of him being a good player and a good teammate he’s to marketable for them to get rid of

In comment 14682571 x meadowlander said:

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I'd ONLY accept something along these lines for Barkley: Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received: LB Jesse Solomon LB David Howard CB Issiac Holt DE Alex Stewart Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992

put the pipe down. it's bad for your health and well-being..

In comment 14682615 bw in dc said:

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If you get the right freight in return, you have to give it a long, long look. But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.

Agreed, I'd be surprised if you received a haul for Barkley. The league doesn't value RBs that way anymore. And he hasn't exactly been great this year either, to boot.

In comment 14682646 ron mexico said:

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On top of him being a good player and a good teammate he’s to marketable for them to get rid of

That was part of the situation with Walker too - he was an absolute class act.

My little cousin had Muscular Dystrophy back in the early 80's - he went to a NJ Generals event at Giants Stadium for MDA, but my uncle got him there late. Only one player waited for him after the event had ended - Herschel.

In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said: Quote: And at some point the giants have to keep their good players Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players

What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time.

I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.

They wouldn't even put Evan Engram on the block and he's a Jerry Reese holdover...you think Gettlemans #2 star draft pick is getting traded?

In comment 14682676 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said: Quote: In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said: Quote: And at some point the giants have to keep their good players Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time. I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.

His body will be fine. People are acting like Barkley will be broken in 2 years. The over-sensationalism with Barkley and his career length is ridiculous. Yes, he'll be expensive - but unless there's some catastrophic injury, he's going to be a great player for probably another 8 years.

SB is headed to the HOF.

In comment 14682692 since1925 said:

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SB is headed to the HOF.

Not at this rate.

He needs to be fired. Thats how bad teams stay bad.

Besides, you don't give up on talent!

-D.G.

In comment 14682737 Jim in Tampa said:

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Besides, you don't give up on talent! -D.G.

Apples and oranges when you consider the players.

Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.

In comment 14682615 bw in dc said:

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If you get the right freight in return, you have to give it a long, long look. But I'll say this to the Barkley Battalion - the league has changed and I'd be very, very surprised if you get anymore than a few picks. NFW would anyone in their right mind expect a Herschel Walker package. That was 30 years ago when RBs were viewed much differently in the non-Cap era.

And the deal was immediately panned when it happened. NFL teams aren't always that smart, but they wouldn't be this dumb.

No one is going to trade a first round pick for the right to pay Barkley $17M a year. I can't imagine there's a GM in the NFL that stupid.

i'd want the spirit of joe montana, the thighs of eric dickerson, and the will of brett favre in return.

In comment 14682758 GoDeep13 said:

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Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too.

If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away.

But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.

chance of trading the #2 pick from 2018.

for a pro-bowl character left tackle that's 27 years old or younger. Much easier to find an RB than a stud OL.

In comment 14682676 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 14682565 PatersonPlank said: Quote: In comment 14682553 Touchdown maker said: Quote: And at some point the giants have to keep their good players Agree. How do we rebuild by trading our core, best players What will Barkley's body and contract look like by the time the Giants are even relevant again? You can't just pretend that isn't (or shouldn't be) a consideration. And it's part of the reason why taking a RB as the first step of a rebuild is a pretty clear indication that the GM didn't realize that a rebuild was necessary at the time. I'm not saying they should trade SB, but that even if the rebuild goes perfectly from here on out, the Giants will have wasted a lot of opportunity with Barkley. And the idea of it going perfectly is wildly optimistic.

Spot on and well said. The rebuild started with DJ (who I think will develop into a top qb), and hopefully continues this year with Young or the LT from Georgia. SB will be a nice compliment to the rebuild but was clearly the result of an organization trying to get one more run with Eli.

Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley.

The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him.

Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).

In comment 14682827 KWALL2 said:

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Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley. The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him. Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).

That doesn't seem remotely realistic to me. I'd trade him for a single first round pick...the haul you're describing sounds like a pipe dream.

and anyone who scoffs at it in a kneejerk manner, as if anyone or anything on this soon approaching a decade-long trainwreck of an NFL franchise should be untouchable, should truly stop and appreciate just how far the Giants are from even being a .500 team, let alone one that can compete for a Super Bowl trophy (or compete, even, with Dallas & Philly).

Quenton Nelson on the line would have the Giants further along than SB in the backfield.

In comment 14682827 KWALL2 said:

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Nobody in the NFL has any doubts about Barkley. The demand would be enormous right now for him. We are so far away from average NFL team, they should shop him. Send him to KC for Chris Jones, WR Hardman, and 3 #1s. (Plus a #3 for that shitty Williams deal and we can let Williams walk).

I would do that trade is less than one second.

Unfortunately, no team in the NFL would spend a second considering 20% of that deal.

Reminder - Barkley is a RB, not a QB or DE.

In comment 14682571 x meadowlander said:

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I'd ONLY accept something along these lines for Barkley: Dallas traded Walker, 2 3rd's a 5th and a 10th across 2 years and received: LB Jesse Solomon LB David Howard CB Issiac Holt DE Alex Stewart Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 6th round pick in 1990 Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1991 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1991 Minnesota's 1st round pick in 1992 Minnesota's 2nd round pick in 1992 Minnesota's 3rd round pick in 1992

That still blows my mind.

Make him run between tackles and pass block and he is a below average RB despite his unique talents. Can't see Giants getting value back.

In comment 14682786 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14682758 GoDeep13 said: Quote: Doesn’t begin with two projected top 15 picks isn’t worth being listened too. If we got one of those, you should be willing to sign for that right away. But two as a starting point? That's just not happening for a position that's so commoditized.

Saquon isn’t your typical back. He’s a generational talent. With us he’s a demigod. With a line that can actually block he’d be the 2nd coming of Walter Payton.

That’s so far off.

They’ve adjusted to make him pass block?

To make him run between the tackles?

Wrong. And wrong.

The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.

can bring an absurd return, you have to think about a move, otherwise, it doesn't make sense.

The Hershel Walker/Ricky Williams type trades require one team to be colossally stupid.

Gettleman isn't going anywhere, and he ain't trading the guy that was touched by the hand of God. Further, he's popular with the fans. They already caught a lot of shit for trading another popular player...I don't see Mara signing off on that again.

Barkley will get his contract here, and we'll have to cross our fingers that he's an exception to the rule that it's bad business to pay RBs.

In comment 14682946 KWALL2 said:

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The NFL is dominating the Giants at the LOS (and with Shepard and Engram out we have very little who can get open in pass game) We’re getting our ass kicked in every week and it has nothing to do with adjustments to Barkley.

I don't know about that, Tate and Slayton look pretty damn good.

But until the offensive line gets fixed, nothing on offense will improve.