that people even bother posting "full recovery expected" - it really doesn't mean shit.
He's got a long way to go to convince anyone to invest the #1 or #2 overall pick in him. I hope he gets there as I like him, and I want someone to need to take him at #1 overall, but he's got a ton to prove.
This is his 3rd surgery. All 3 aren't related and shouldn't be reoccurring (except for this one, I call bullshit on this not ever being an issue again but I'll play along) but that's a lot of hospital time for a QB's who gets to play behind a top OL and shouldn't be taking a ton of hit, and will take a lot more in the NFL.
Fair, but I also wouldn't jump the gun and say he'll be good as new. We'll find out soon enough, his injury does not have a good track record, but I'm sure treatment has improved since Bo Jackson.
as long as his rehab is on it's correct timeframe.
That's why I wanted to hit on.
If you're an NFL team, and you are told right now that one year from today (it may be less, but let's use that time frame), he will be fully ready to roll, what do you do?
At that point, I can totally see a team in the top 10 drafting him and putting him on the shelf for the season and then be ready to roll with him in 2021.
I still believe he goes in the first round. As it was said on one of those shows today, if he drops to the middle of the 1st, can totally see New England jumping up, making the move knowing they don't have to play him for at least a year.
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I don’t know why people always anticipate the worst ?
I had the same injury playing football as Tua and had a complete recovery
Years later I did need to have a hip replacement but the doctors were not certain that the injury and the hip replacement were related
Bo Jackson had necrosis due to poor blood flow in the hip
There were many complications that Tua did not have
From what I read Tua was lucky that the trainers were able to reset the displacement and that the fracture did not impact the head of the femur
There is no reason to think that Tua will not have a full recovery
for another year. Just to rehab, and maybe play a few games. With all of the post-surgery question marks with this condition, I don't see how Tua doesn't fall out of the first round. Right now most teams have to have some comment similar to this in his draft profile: "A piece of porcelain right now..."
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
that’s likely true but it’s far from a guarantee. He was injury prone before this which is the larger issue. Going into this season everyone looking for a new QB looked at Tua with the same 2 questions - will he regress and will he stay healthy. Both have been answered, no and no.
3 surgeries in barely 30 games played is not good.
for another year. Just to rehab, and maybe play a few games. With all of the post-surgery question marks with this condition, I don't see how Tua doesn't fall out of the first round. Right now most teams have to have some comment similar to this in his draft profile: "A piece of porcelain right now..."
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
He could also just sit out completely but going back to Bama and lying low wouldn’t be a bad thing either.
I just don’t want Tua to slide down to some asshole division rival team next April.
I like Tua, but he always seems to be banged up. Â
for another year. Just to rehab, and maybe play a few games. With all of the post-surgery question marks with this condition, I don't see how Tua doesn't fall out of the first round. Right now most teams have to have some comment similar to this in his draft profile: "A piece of porcelain right now..."
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
What does he gain by returning to school? I see 2 outcomes if he returned to rehab and play 4-6 games:
1. Finishes those games healthy. Still has questions lingering about whether he can stay healthy for a full season.
2. Gets banged up again, drops his draft stock further.
Unless he is willing and able to play a full season, I don't see how his draft stock would benefit from another year at Bama. Plus, returning to school just further delays his earning potential.
Barring a setback in his recovery/rehab, most team Dr's will likely have a good idea for his recovery potential and timeline by the time the draft comes around. And I can easily see him going in the first round, especially with the Saints and Pats picking at the bottom of the round with 40 year olds starting.
Hell, you want a ballsy move? Dallas tags Prescott this offseason, then drafts Tua early 20s and let's him basically redshirt for the 2020 season. Then let Dak walk and have Tua step in.
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Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
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Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
Trubisky basically only had 1 season as the starter though. Burrow does have two seasons of film to scout so you can better judge if his big year is simply fluky or if he made significant improvements to his technique or ability to read defenses.
of Tua staying. I don't think he can really help his case at all and this is the year to come out because there's 6-8 teams that might be targeting QB in the top 10 alone - Cincinnati, Miami, Tampa, Denver, Atlanta, Chicago, LAC, Jacksonville and then you have good teams with aging QB's that might snag a QB that "falls".
Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
When I watched Burrow last year, it was clear to me the guy was an NFL prospect. Now with a legit NFL mind running the offense they tapped into his potential. I think he's worth a top 15 pick. He needs a little technique work as he is a little lax holding the ball and a year in an NFL level offense. I've had Herbert and Eason as the top two prospects for a while now, I wonder where they end up by April.
You are confusing a successful surgery with a successful recovery from surgery. They don't mean the same thing.
He's got a long way to go to convince anyone to invest the #1 or #2 overall pick in him. I hope he gets there as I like him, and I want someone to need to take him at #1 overall, but he's got a ton to prove.
This is his 3rd surgery. All 3 aren't related and shouldn't be reoccurring (except for this one, I call bullshit on this not ever being an issue again but I'll play along) but that's a lot of hospital time for a QB's who gets to play behind a top OL and shouldn't be taking a ton of hit, and will take a lot more in the NFL.
JPP?
I thought the same thing ... I guess if they don't sew him up /w a jr mint in him he's all good.
Fair, but I also wouldn't jump the gun and say he'll be good as new. We'll find out soon enough, his injury does not have a good track record, but I'm sure treatment has improved since Bo Jackson.
That's why I wanted to hit on.
If you're an NFL team, and you are told right now that one year from today (it may be less, but let's use that time frame), he will be fully ready to roll, what do you do?
At that point, I can totally see a team in the top 10 drafting him and putting him on the shelf for the season and then be ready to roll with him in 2021.
I still believe he goes in the first round. As it was said on one of those shows today, if he drops to the middle of the 1st, can totally see New England jumping up, making the move knowing they don't have to play him for at least a year.
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....where the headline was "surgery was a failure" or "surgery went so-so" and "partial recovery expected"?
JPP?
Weren't there concerns about Jaylen Smith's nerve damage after his surgery?
And I feel like they weren't so optimistic about Alex Smith after his surgery either.
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....where the headline was "surgery was a failure" or "surgery went so-so" and "partial recovery expected"?
JPP?
Weren't there concerns about Jaylen Smith's nerve damage after his surgery?
And I feel like they weren't so optimistic about Alex Smith after his surgery either.
Great examples, also Zach Miller of the Bears - saving his leg was the bar for “success” there.
I had the same injury playing football as Tua and had a complete recovery
Years later I did need to have a hip replacement but the doctors were not certain that the injury and the hip replacement were related
Bo Jackson had necrosis due to poor blood flow in the hip
There were many complications that Tua did not have
From what I read Tua was lucky that the trainers were able to reset the displacement and that the fracture did not impact the head of the femur
There is no reason to think that Tua will not have a full recovery
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
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have they said surgery was unsuccessful right after surgery?
You are confusing a successful surgery with a successful recovery from surgery. They don't mean the same thing.
Fred is not confusing anything with anything. He's saying that a proclamation of a successful surgery is meaningless in terms of recovery.
Pretty sure there's no confusion, and you're effectively repeating Fred's point.
3 surgeries in barely 30 games played is not good.
Not like Bo - ( New Window )
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
He could also just sit out completely but going back to Bama and lying low wouldn’t be a bad thing either.
I just don’t want Tua to slide down to some asshole division rival team next April.
Tua's situation exposes a huge problem in the drafting system. Because of the NFL's age requirement, must be three years removed from high school, it's completely unfair to players like Tua who would have been drafted in the top ten two years out of high school. Maybe one. Just an antiquated, dumb system...
A guy like Trevor Lawrence would have been the #1 pick in the draft out of high school. The fact that he has to stay at Clemson three years is absurd.
What does he gain by returning to school? I see 2 outcomes if he returned to rehab and play 4-6 games:
1. Finishes those games healthy. Still has questions lingering about whether he can stay healthy for a full season.
2. Gets banged up again, drops his draft stock further.
Unless he is willing and able to play a full season, I don't see how his draft stock would benefit from another year at Bama. Plus, returning to school just further delays his earning potential.
Barring a setback in his recovery/rehab, most team Dr's will likely have a good idea for his recovery potential and timeline by the time the draft comes around. And I can easily see him going in the first round, especially with the Saints and Pats picking at the bottom of the round with 40 year olds starting.
Hell, you want a ballsy move? Dallas tags Prescott this offseason, then drafts Tua early 20s and let's him basically redshirt for the 2020 season. Then let Dak walk and have Tua step in.
Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
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I'd definitely take Burrow over him.
Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
Trubisky basically only had 1 season as the starter though. Burrow does have two seasons of film to scout so you can better judge if his big year is simply fluky or if he made significant improvements to his technique or ability to read defenses.
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I'd definitely take Burrow over him.
Burrow is having a fantastic season, but I'm always leery of those college QBs who have one monster year. He was nothing special last year. Mitch Trubisky comes to mind as a cautionary tale.
When I watched Burrow last year, it was clear to me the guy was an NFL prospect. Now with a legit NFL mind running the offense they tapped into his potential. I think he's worth a top 15 pick. He needs a little technique work as he is a little lax holding the ball and a year in an NFL level offense. I've had Herbert and Eason as the top two prospects for a while now, I wonder where they end up by April.